Scape Goat The 'Ermahgerd Victorian Exodus!' Extravaganza

[tribey]

• Adam Kingsley (Vic) 1997-2006 (Ret), 170 Games - Premiership Player/Best & Fairest
• Troy Chaplin (Vic) 2004-2012 (Unmatched FA), 140 Games
• Stephen Paxman (Vic) 1997-2003 (Dlt), 138 Games - Best & Fairest
• Matthew Primus (Vic) 1997-2005 (Ret), 137 Games - Best & Fairest/Life Member
• Matthew Bishop (Vic) 2000-2006 (Ret), 132 Games - Premiership Player/Life Member
• Nick Stevens (Vic) 1998-2003 (Demanded Trade), 127 Games
• Brett Montgomery (Vic) 1999-2005 (Dlt), 126 Games - Premiership Player/All-Australian
• Steven Salopek (Vic) 2004-2012 (Dlt), 121 Games
• David Rodan (Vic) 2007-2012 (Mutual Trade), 111 Games
• Alipate Carlile (Vic) 2007-Pres, 111 Games
• Toby Thurstans (Vic) 1999-2008 (Ret), 110 Games - Premiership Player/Life Member
• Travis Boak (Vic) 2007-Pres, 108 Games
• Matt Thomas (Vic) 2006-Pres, 83 Games
• Robbie Gray (Vic) 2007-Pres, 70 Games
• Josh Mahoney (Vic) 2004-2007 (Dlt), 67 Games - Premiership Player/Leading Goalkicker
• Brent Guerra (Vic) 2000-2003 (Dlt), 65 Games
• Jackson Trengove (Vic) 2009-Pres, 61 Games - Best & Fairest
• Damien Hardwick (Vic) 2002-2004 (Ret), 54 Games - Premiership Player
• Bowen Lockwood (Vic) 1997-2002 (Ret), 50 Games
• Nathan Lonie (Vic) 2006-2008 (Ret), 40 Games
• Jason Davenport (Vic) 2009-2011 (Dlt), 28 Games
• Ben Jacobs (Vic) 2011-2012 (Demanded Trade), 26 Games
• Andrew Moore (Vic) 2010-Pres, 24 Games
• Matthew Lobbe (Vic) 2008-Pres, 22 Games
• Cameron O'Shea (Vic) 2011-Pres, 22 Games
• Greg Bentley (Vic) 2006-2008 (Dlt), 21 Games
• John McCarthy (Vic) 2012-2012 (RIP), 21 Games
• Mitch Banner (Vic) 2009-2012 (Dlt), 19 Games
• Chris Naish (Vic) 1998-1999 (Dlt), 18 Games
• Michael Stevens (Vic) 1999-2002 (Mutual Trade), 17 Games
• Brent Heaver (Vic) 1997-1998 (Dlt), 16 Games
• Jasper McMillan-Pittard (Vic) 2010-Pres, 14 Games
• John Butcher (Vic) 2010-Pres, 12 Games
• Aaron Young (Vic) 2011-Pres, 12 Games
• Fabian Deluca (Vic) 2005-2008 (Dlt), 11 Games
• John Rombotis (Vic) 1997-1997 (Mutual Trade), 9 Games
• Simon Phillips (Vic) 2011-2012 (Dlt), 9 Games
• James Ezard (Vic) 2005-2006 (Dlt), 4 Games
• Paul Koulouriotis (Vic) 1999-2003 (Dlt), 3 Games
• Adam Morgan (Vic) 1999-2003 (Mutual Trade), 3 Games
• Ryan Willits (Vic) 2006-2008 (Dlt), 2 Games
• Mitch Farmer (Vic) 2008-2009 (Mutual Trade), 2 Games
• Cameron Cloke (Vic) 2010-2010 (Dlt), 1 Game
• Stephen Gilham (Vic) 2002-2005 (Dlt), 1 Game

Since 1997 that's 2 out of 44 or 4.5% of Victorian draftees/recruits who have actively sought to leave Port Adelaide for other clubs while required first team players.

 

[ploppy]

• Adam Kingsley (Vic) 1997-2006 (Ret), 170 Games - Premiership Player/Best & Fairest
• Troy Chaplin (Vic) 2004-2012 (Unmatched FA), 140 Games
• Stephen Paxman (Vic) 1997-2003 (Dlt), 138 Games - Best & Fairest
• Matthew Primus (Vic) 1997-2005 (Ret), 137 Games - Best & Fairest/Life Member
• Matthew Bishop (Vic) 2000-2006 (Ret), 132 Games - Premiership Player/Life Member
• Nick Stevens (Vic) 1998-2003 (Demanded Trade), 127 Games
• Brett Montgomery (Vic) 1999-2005 (Dlt), 126 Games - Premiership Player/All-Australian
• Steven Salopek (Vic) 2004-2012 (Dlt), 121 Games
• David Rodan (Vic) 2007-2012 (Mutual Trade), 111 Games
• Alipate Carlile (Vic) 2007-Pres, 111 Games
• Toby Thurstans (Vic) 1999-2008 (Ret), 110 Games - Premiership Player/Life Member
• Travis Boak (Vic) 2007-Pres, 108 Games
• Matt Thomas (Vic) 2006-Pres, 83 Games
• Robbie Gray (Vic) 2007-Pres, 70 Games
• Josh Mahoney (Vic) 2004-2007 (Dlt), 67 Games - Premiership Player/Leading Goalkicker
• Brent Guerra (Vic) 2000-2003 (Dlt), 65 Games
• Jackson Trengove (Vic) 2009-Pres, 61 Games - Best & Fairest
• Damien Hardwick (Vic) 2002-2004 (Ret), 54 Games - Premiership Player
• Bowen Lockwood (Vic) 1997-2002 (Ret), 50 Games
• Nathan Lonie (Vic) 2006-2008 (Ret), 40 Games
• Jason Davenport (Vic) 2009-2011 (Dlt), 28 Games
• Ben Jacobs (Vic) 2011-2012 (Demanded Trade), 26 Games
• Andrew Moore (Vic) 2010-Pres, 24 Games
• Derek Murray (Vic) 1999-2002 (Dlt), 23 Games
• Matthew Lobbe (Vic) 2008-Pres, 22 Games
• Cameron O'Shea (Vic) 2011-Pres, 22 Games
• Greg Bentley (Vic) 2006-2008 (Dlt), 21 Games
• John McCarthy (Vic) 2012-2012 (RIP), 21 Games
• Mitch Banner (Vic) 2009-2012 (Dlt), 19 Games
• Chris Naish (Vic) 1998-1999 (Dlt), 18 Games
• Michael Stevens (Vic) 1999-2002 (Mutual Trade), 17 Games
• Brent Heaver (Vic) 1997-1998 (Dlt), 16 Games
• Jasper McMillan-Pittard (Vic) 2010-Pres, 14 Games
• John Butcher (Vic) 2010-Pres, 12 Games
• Aaron Young (Vic) 2011-Pres, 12 Games
• Fabian Deluca (Vic) 2005-2008 (Dlt), 11 Games
• John Rombotis (Vic) 1997-1997 (Mutual Trade), 9 Games
• Simon Phillips (Vic) 2011-2012 (Dlt), 9 Games
• James Ezard (Vic) 2005-2006 (Dlt), 4 Games
• Paul Koulouriotis (Vic) 1999-2003 (Dlt), 3 Games
• Adam Morgan (Vic) 1999-2003 (Mutual Trade), 3 Games
• Ryan Willits (Vic) 2006-2008 (Dlt), 2 Games
• Mitch Farmer (Vic) 2008-2009 (Mutual Trade), 2 Games
• Allan Murray (Vic) 2001-2002 (Dlt), 1 Game
• Cameron Cloke (Vic) 2010-2010 (Dlt), 1 Game
• Stephen Gilham (Vic) 2002-2005 (Dlt), 1 Game

Since 1997 that's 2 out of 46 or 4.3% of Victorian draftees/recruits who have actively sought to leave Port Adelaide for other clubs while required first team players.

also says 47% of the vics were spuds.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Brad Symes and Shaun Burgoyne were both South Australians who actively sought trades, so we've had as many South Aussies walk out on us as we have Victorians. You could argue that Troy Chaplin should be included in that list, but if he was then South Australian Danyle Pearce would also be included, so it doesn't make a difference either way. Fabian Francis was born in the Northern Territory, but he played SANFL football for the Magpies before making his AFL debut, and he also walked out on the club. If you include Fabian, we've actually lost more South Australians than Victorians.

Somebody should post that on Facebook and see how the plebs react.

 

[Jones2ByrneJones]

Now do it for the Cows

 

[ploppy]

hey we have done well with retention just got a feeling times are changing and ben jacobs is the new standard in club loyalty.

 

[Portia]

Adam Morgan and Brent Guerra both requested trades

 

[tribey]

Adam Morgan and Brent Guerra both requested trades

Morgan did so because there was no way he was getting a game and Guerra had run his race at Port, hence 'required first team player' stipulation, rather than "LOL PORT I HATE IT HERE" as the media love to peddle.

 

[Portia]

If you're going to use a `required first team player' stipulation, you should only be listing players that ever were part of the first team.

 

[tribey]

If you're going to use a `required first team player' stipulation, you should only be listing players that ever were part of the first team.

Brosephine, I thought the point was obvious. We've only ever lost two Victorian players we wanted to keep to the supposedly rife go-home/OMG PORT SUCK factor that the media alleges has crippled us for eternity.

 

[Portia]

Sure, but who cares what the percentage of players we keep is when the figures are so diluted with `never weres' as that list is.

If you draft 20 duds, 2 good players, and lose 1 of the good ones, having a supposed 95% player retention rate is embarrassing, not a point of pride. Gaining and keeping duds is a mark against a club, and not in any way a positive - any idiot can give Matthew Westhoff a contract extension.

The stats say enough if you try and use legit ones without padding them out.

 

[tribey]

Sure, but who cares what the percentage of players we keep is when the figures are so diluted with `never weres' as that list is.

If you draft 20 duds, 2 good players, and lose 1 of the good ones, having a supposed 95% player retention rate is embarrassing, not a point of pride.

Every one of them might've turned out to be s**t.

If that's the case - as Ploppy intimated - then the question should be on the virtue of selecting Victorians based on ability, talent and even the overrating of the TAC Cup system beyond the annual cream, not on this horseshit media-driven pleb-swallowed campaign that drafting Victorians is bad because Victorians are predisposed to going home.

 

[Portia]

Tribey, the only thing that matters is if you lose players that are good.

Its embarrassing that you're listing guys like Willits and Morgans as `Victorian re-signed MISSION ACCOMPLISHED'.

Allan and Derek Murray were NSW/ACT also btw.

 

[tribey]

Tribey, the only thing that matters is if you lose players that are good.

Its embarrassing that you're listing guys like Willits and Morgans as `Victorian re-signed MISSION ACCOMPLISHED'.

Butcher might be in the Willits/Morgan boat, yet. Won't invalidate the fact his 2011 re-signing was something of a coup when we had all sorts of wolves at the door.

 

[Portia]

Maybe you could post your stat on Facebook or send it in to 5aa.

 

[Schulzenfest]

I don't get why it's the Victorians who cop so much bad press. We have a much poorer record of retaining West Australians than Victorians. Oh, right, beer karma.

 

[tribey]

Maybe you could post your stat on Facebook or send it in to 5aa.

I don't want to now. Imagine the dressing down Charles Herringbone will have in store for me if yours is any guide.

 

[Oliver King]

The Vic media love creaming themselves about luring one of their own back, like that it's just natural that people would want to come back to Melbourne, the greatest city in the world.

 

[Changaneen]

Funny thing about that is stevens missed out on a flag the following year, and has recently tried to convince tippet to stay at the cows.

 

[Trewth]

Great thread. Now to get the mouth breathers on Facebook to read it and understand it. Haha, who am I kidding...

 

[Schulzenfest]

Tribey, the only thing that matters is if you lose players that are good.

Then why are we still talking about Jacobs?

 

[Jones2ByrneJones]

Isn't scapegoat one word?

 

[Asgardian]

Brad Symes and Shaun Burgoyne were both South Australians who actively sought trades,

Should being "Mummy-whipped" & staying in the same state count?

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Brad Symes

I think he wanted out because of his lunatic distance relatives that would name drop constantly.