Unsolved The Family Murders

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Dell43

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Charlie Barnes would often post about Alan attending SANFL games and as we know BVE was also a regular attendee. Back in 1979 crowds ranged between 3,000 & 20,000 depending on the clubs playing. There has been suggestions BVE knew Alan from his coke delivery job however wondering if there was further interaction between them at footy games?
 

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Hendrix27

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Charlie Barnes would often post about Alan attending SANFL games and as we know BVE was also a regular attendee. Back in 1979 crowds ranged between 3,000 & 20,000 depending on the clubs playing. There has been suggestions BVE knew Alan from his coke delivery job however wondering if there was further interaction between them at footy games?
interesting question
 

Hendrix27

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Most were runaways, often due to sexual/physical/emotional abuse. Hitch-hiking was the currency at the time due to their desperation to escape with no other options. Some were even abused on the way. Subsequently, they fell into the exact situations from which they were escaping, because it was familiar ground.

They ended up finding shelter and creature comforts for free. There were plenty of creeps in Adelaide willing to provide it all; plenty of apprentice BVE's out there in the early to mid 70s.

Social Workers were inadequate and well out of their depth for a multitude of reasons. No government cars, no training, no internet, no mobiles, no time to write notes, no protection, no access to histories, no support...the list goes on. Most of all; no knowledge, training or understanding whatsover of minority groups at the time and the role some of them played in the seedier side of Adelaide.

It's no wonder the sordidity of BVE and Co survived and thrived so easily then.

Para-Social Workers, such as church youth volunteers, were often more successful as we blended, befriended and did not judge. We had no connections with the law and were privy to many of their secrets. We were "cool" to them.

But the bottom line; we still had no training, no rescue options and no funding. We had to go to the library to find out what transgender, transsexual and homosexual meant, so we could attempt to get a handle on things we were being told. Such was our naivety in those days. There were no doctors we knew of to refer guys with sore and infected bums, so they suffered in silence and went back for more food and shelter.
well said
 

squawk

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Charlie Barnes would often post about Alan attending SANFL games and as we know BVE was also a regular attendee. Back in 1979 crowds ranged between 3,000 & 20,000 depending on the clubs playing. There has been suggestions BVE knew Alan from his coke delivery job however wondering if there was further interaction between them at footy games?
Highly unlikely. BVE was a Norwood supporter. Alan went to whatever games he thought the best girls would be at. In those days footy was quite different to SANFL games of today.
 

Punk Rooster 16

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Highly unlikely. BVE was a Norwood supporter. Alan went to whatever games he thought the best girls would be at. In those days footy was quite different to SANFL games of today.
A mate of mine had AB attending Norh games - he had become somewhat friendly with him.
 

Dell43

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Highly unlikely. BVE was a Norwood supporter. Alan went to whatever games he thought the best girls would be at. In those days footy was quite different to SANFL games of today.
The only difference between the SANFL today and back in 1979 was the crowds, I was there every week up until 1993. If Alan was attending games based on the number of females attending he would be at Norwood, Sturt, Port and Glenelg games. Young kids congregated in area’s like cheer squads, If an individual went to the footy to meet young males that’s where they would be.

I’m aware of the reference he was a Norwood supporter but based on what we know he may have attended the footy for reasons other than supporting his team.
 

squawk

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The only difference between the SANFL today and back in 1979 was the crowds, I was there every week up until 1993. If Alan was attending games based on the number of females attending he would be at Norwood, Sturt, Port and Glenelg games. Young kids congregated in area’s like cheer squads, If an individual went to the footy to meet young males that’s where they would be.

I’m aware of the reference he was a Norwood supporter but based on what we know he may have attended the footy for reasons other than supporting his team.
All of that is possible and cant be ruled out.
However, after being a part of Norwood for over 40 years myself I've never heard anyone speak of BVE being at games or 'around and about' games, including cheersquads. Even his link to being at Adelaide Oval on the day the girls disappeared there, had him sitting in a seat with other people IIRC.

My impression is that he wasn't that dedicated a supporter - he was too busy chasing his own needs that weren't football-related.
 

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squawk

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The football game scenario is also inconsistent with his MO, in my humble opinion. He liked to operate after dark, in company, and away from large crowds or public places. I know he did target people in pubs and clubs but in that case, he often did so with the help of other lures, just as he did with hitch hikers, and he used stupifying drugs as well. We know with the Kelvin abduction there was more than one person and in that case, Kelvin was literally abducted off the street and that brought a lot of yelling and screaming. His sordid scene and MO was quite inconsistent with the football scene.
 

Power Raid

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People "knew" who was involved?
I remember being a kid at a party held at the house of the owners of La Trattoria. The owners were quite wealthy given the two brothels above the restaurant, primarily servicing the police. With the restaurant not only being a very successful venture but I dare say the brothels and the marijuana business was cleaned through the cash flow business.

Kids were running around everywhere, when all of a sudden panic, as "guests arrived". We were grabbed and pulled upstairs out of sight, as our parents didn't want us to be seen by the "guests". The "guests" stayed until late, so we fell asleep upstairs with some of the mums keeping us safe. The next day mum explained that the "guests" were suspected members of the family.


I don't know who knew or suspected the "family" that night. The owners of LaTrattoria knew all the cops and thus would have known the "station talk" and they knew all the wealthy identities around Adelaide, given they were in the scene.

There was also a head of police, who later joined the NCA, at the party. In his own words he felt a number of police were close to solving the case, including himself, but he and everyone else was removed from the task by the police commissioner every time they were close. This lead to suspicions.

I know one rapist for certain, who provided child welfare and worked in kids TV. He was lured to Perth by one of his victims, after the victims brother committed suicide. The victim told me what his intentions were after introducing me to the rapist. I fortunately managed to talk him out of it, but I must admit I was surprised the rapist lived.

I know their were judges and lawyers who lived in North Adelaide but not their identities (represented by the victim and separately the owners of LaTratt). I know their was an architect in Unley area closer to Greenhill Road but he was murdered. There was also discussion of a surgeon but no one confirmed his identity.
 

jason_recliner

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I remember being a kid at a party held at the house of the owners of La Trattoria. The owners were quite wealthy given the two brothels above the restaurant, primarily servicing the police. With the restaurant not only being a very successful venture but I dare say the brothels and the marijuana business was cleaned through the cash flow business.

Kids were running around everywhere, when all of a sudden panic, as "guests arrived". We were grabbed and pulled upstairs out of sight, as our parents didn't want us to be seen by the "guests". The "guests" stayed until late, so we fell asleep upstairs with some of the mums keeping us safe. The next day mum explained that the "guests" were suspected members of the family.


I don't know who knew or suspected the "family" that night. The owners of LaTrattoria knew all the cops and thus would have known the "station talk" and they knew all the wealthy identities around Adelaide, given they were in the scene.

There was also a head of police, who later joined the NCA, at the party. In his own words he felt a number of police were close to solving the case, including himself, but he and everyone else was removed from the task by the police commissioner every time they were close. This lead to suspicions.

I know one rapist for certain, who provided child welfare and worked in kids TV. He was lured to Perth by one of his victims, after the victims brother committed suicide. The victim told me what his intentions were after introducing me to the rapist. I fortunately managed to talk him out of it, but I must admit I was surprised the rapist lived.

I know their were judges and lawyers who lived in North Adelaide but not their identities (represented by the victim and separately the owners of LaTratt). I know their was an architect in Unley area closer to Greenhill Road but he was murdered. There was also discussion of a surgeon but no one confirmed his identity.
The Parisis? They are some pretty big claims. If you have any names at all (e.g. rapist, judges, lawyers) I think you should report them to the police, even if you would rather do it anomynously. I don't believe anybody is being protected and if anything you say is even partly corroborated there will be an investigation. Pretty much everybody in SA wants to know the full extent of this story, if it does in fact extend beyond what is already known.
 

squawk

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I remember being a kid at a party held at the house of the owners of La Trattoria. The owners were quite wealthy given the two brothels above the restaurant, primarily servicing the police. With the restaurant not only being a very successful venture but I dare say the brothels and the marijuana business was cleaned through the cash flow business.

Kids were running around everywhere, when all of a sudden panic, as "guests arrived". We were grabbed and pulled upstairs out of sight, as our parents didn't want us to be seen by the "guests". The "guests" stayed until late, so we fell asleep upstairs with some of the mums keeping us safe. The next day mum explained that the "guests" were suspected members of the family.


I don't know who knew or suspected the "family" that night. The owners of LaTrattoria knew all the cops and thus would have known the "station talk" and they knew all the wealthy identities around Adelaide, given they were in the scene.

There was also a head of police, who later joined the NCA, at the party. In his own words he felt a number of police were close to solving the case, including himself, but he and everyone else was removed from the task by the police commissioner every time they were close. This lead to suspicions.

I know one rapist for certain, who provided child welfare and worked in kids TV. He was lured to Perth by one of his victims, after the victims brother committed suicide. The victim told me what his intentions were after introducing me to the rapist. I fortunately managed to talk him out of it, but I must admit I was surprised the rapist lived.

I know their were judges and lawyers who lived in North Adelaide but not their identities (represented by the victim and separately the owners of LaTratt). I know their was an architect in Unley area closer to Greenhill Road but he was murdered. There was also discussion of a surgeon but no one confirmed his identity.
When you say you were told about 'the family' - are you saying this was a reference to the BVE Family, or more of an Italian/Calabrian Mafia type family?
And wasn't it a bit strange for that policeman to be at this party when these 'family' people all rolled in as well?
As for the last bit about the architect - is this a reference to Derrance Stevenson who had an architecturally designed house on Greenhill Rd - or a separate person altogether?
 

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