Unsolved The Family Murders

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Thankfully I preordered the book and got it on my kindle now...is there a way to share it without the need of a flash drive? The book certainly gives some insights into BVE's background. (Side note: Apparently he and Harry Phipps knew each other!)
I contacted both the State Archives and also the Supreme Court. I was told a judge has to give his approval first, before the files can be retrieved from the archive. Since I'm not from SA and not able to visit the Research Centre in person, I asked the court if they could provide the documents online. They said they can copy and email them to me - but guess what - the price per page is 8.85 $, so with the entire trial documents containing approx. 10000 pages, hardly anyone can afford that... Apparently Debi wasn't able to obtain them for the same reasons.

Well, I feel that I've reached some kind of a "dead end" with my own research at the moment.. As I want to rely on facts as much as possible without drifting off into speculation too fast, my big goal was to get access to those court documents. But now without them and little chance that either BVE or DR or DK or one of the others involved who are still alive will talk, getting facts is tough.
So, at the moment I'm focusing mostly on piecing together all the names and addresses (+ finding out JBL's full name as I don't know it yet).
I have my own views and theories based on everything I've read, but feel like I and a lot of others have almost reached the point where researching is used to capacity and finally statements from those involved are needed to gain new insights.
What are you currently focusing on, squawk?



Who is JBL?
 

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DropBearess

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The name Marguerita doesn't ring a bell. But l've been trying for years to remember a very similar name. This drag queen was active and doing strange things in Adelaide from 1971 for at least 10 years. She lived near St. Peters, was 5'10ish, quite heavily built, dark curly hair and quite pretty. Used to wear beautiful kaftan-type dresses and hung about at the Buckingham Arms.
She was involved with recruiting young males to live rent-free with her and her peculiar friends.
 

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l've been trying for years to remember a very similar name. This drag queen was active and doing strange things in Adelaide from 1971 for at least 10 years. She lived near St. Peters, was 5'10ish, quite heavily built, dark curly hair and quite pretty. Used to wear beautiful kaftan-type dresses and hung about at the Buckingham Arms.
She was involved with recruiting young males to live rent-free with her and her peculiar friends.

Monique? She is a close match to your physical description.

The Buck was too early for me and not sure she ever lived with anyone when I visited her house (which I don't think was at St Peters).

She had a colourful Egyptian sarcophagus in her living room.
 

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Right, so who is the second doctor?

The ebook mentions a Doctor Robert who had a clinic/surgery not far from Port Rd where the two pharmacies where BVE used to cash his scripts. Dr Robert issued BVE with over 135 scripts for Mandrax. Dr Robert wasn't a suspect but the eBook suggests maybe he should have been. There's a Dr Robert Koulakis mentioned in TP's diaries but upon searching for this guy, there is no record. It's likely the name was misspelt in the diaries. Anyway, it's not him on the list.
There was a doctor with a similar name to the guy TP mentioned (also of a similar age and location to Mr R). He’s still around. I’m not suggesting anything about him other than the name. If this is old info, I apologise. if it is of interest, who is best to DM it to?
 

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Given the surgery on Muir that closely resembled sex change surgery, it's been speculated that maybe the doctor who performed the operations on the TG's could be involved. Can anyone add anything to that, or debunk it?

I could be wrong but don't believe there were any surgeons in SA who performed sex-change surgery at the time. Most went to the Eastern States or overseas - Thailand being a popular choice. Even with airfares, it was probably much more affordable to have it done in another country than in Melbourne. This was before the days it might have been seen as necessary and would have been treated by health insurance as purely cosmetic surgery.
 

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I could be wrong but don't believe there were any surgeons in SA who performed sex-change surgery at the time. Most went to the Eastern States or overseas - Thailand being a popular choice. Even with airfares, it was probably much more affordable to have it done in another country than in Melbourne. This was before the days it might have been seen as necessary and would have been treated by health insurance as purely cosmetic surgery.

My understanding is that a Dr Jill Need performed gender reassignment surgery at Flinders Hospital back then and that Pru & Megan were clients. Happy to be corrected. I don’t have a source - I think it came from a deep dive on Facebook some time ago.

From wiki:
Jillian Need
(11 March 1944 – 8 March 1997) was an associate professor of gynaecology and obstetrics and Australian and a South Australian cricketer.

In sport, Need was involved as a South Australian representative from 1965 until 1979, and in 1980 coached South Australia to its first senior national championships since the 1950s. She represented South Australia 13 times and led her state against England (68/69) and NZ (72) and played two tests against England in 68/69.

The Jill Need Breast Cancer Clinic was named in her honour by the Flinders Medical Centre in Bedford Park, South Australia, after her death.
 

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The name Marguerita came from the book Dissected:

“Associations with other homosexual people appear to represent the vast majority of friendships that von Einem formed. Throughout the years he had also formed friendships with many transsexuals including Kerry, Pru, Sarah, Megan, Marguerita and Samantha.”

The book isn’t the best with proof reading (eg Lewis Turtur is referred to as Louis, Lewis, Lewy) so this person may not even be called Marguerita.
 

Bits

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I guess that's the trouble with this topic. So much half-baked 'information' from unreliable sources coming 40 years after the fact.
True. But a little bit of half-baked "information" may jog someone's memory and help them to recall a relevant piece of knowledge.

With respect to the Family murders, I don't think knowing for certain who did what surgery and to who is going to solve anything.

But you never know what it might lead to, and so as long as it isn't presented as cold, hard fact, no harm done.
 

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Yep I have a screenshot somewhere of Megan saying her and Pru had their operations at the flinders medical centre by Dr Need - and someone replies “I visited Pru not long after at the FMC and she was happy to show off the results!” Or something to that effect - I’ll track it down later
 

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Wow, I haven't posted here for ages but just spent the last 2 nights catching up. Some amazing stuff thanks sleuths! I get too involved in things sometimes and have to remove myself.

Some interesting points:
Real name/Status of Mr. B - Finding out that the name we've had isn't real and that he's alive... wow. (Feel free to PM the real name to me if anyone wants to)
Photos of associates/locations - Absolutely mind boggling that people can be this connected.
Also if anyone can PM the TP diary to me I'd be really appreciative, or not, just asking 😃
 

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DM was on Adelaide radio station 5AA today. An hour long show called Conversations with Cornsey.

Will be replayed tomorrow morning at 4am or you may find a link on their website if anyone is interested ....

Can’t stand Cornes about as much as I can’t stand Debi. Please save me from having to listen. Anything new come out of it?
 

bth18

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Monique? She is a close match to your physical description.

The Buck was too early for me and not sure she ever lived with anyone when I visited her house (which I don't think was at St Peters).

She had a colourful Egyptian sarcophagus in her living room.

well very interesting - I've just found some info that connects Pru/Sarah to someone named Monique with the quote "she claimed to be the re incarnation of an Egyptian temple priestess, Ishtar "

It may not be the same person - but there you go
 

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Mon was a bit of a smoker (think I might have scored some weed from her back in the day) so she could be pretty out there.

At the time I thought her kaftans (etc) were a bit weird but in hindsight, she was probably quite fashionable. I don't think I ever saw her looking bad. I always thought she was kind of classy, although she was often flirty with me.
 

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DM was on Adelaide radio station 5AA today. An hour long show called Conversations with Cornsey.

Will be replayed tomorrow morning at 4am or you may find a link on their website if anyone is interested ....
yeah caught that show, I think Cornesy took it... hook line a sinker
 

DropBearess

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yeah caught that show, I think Cornesy took it... hook line a sinker

Yeah, l don't think Cornsey is too bright.
Many of us are still smarting from his very public 'journalism' in S.A. some 40 years ago where he asserted women were best placed in footy canteens, baking cakes, washing jumpers and supporting their men. Ha! 😂🤣
 

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Yeah, l don't think Cornsey is too bright.
Many of us are still smarting from his very public 'journalism' in S.A. some 40 years ago where he asserted women were best placed in footy canteens, baking cakes, washing jumpers and supporting their men. Ha! 😂🤣
Back in the day (I’m old) lots of the younger footy players hung around at the Oaks Tavern in Pirie St, Adelaide. I distinctly remember him being there in a full red leather suit and the crowd parting as he walked around - mostly to try to avoid making contact with him, as opposed to making room for him out of respect 😂
 

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I was kind of hoping his daftness would lead him to ask the non usual questions, but of course 10 mins of the interview was about her story
 

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I have a feeling this could be the funding for the doco she's been making concurrent to the book - as this is separate to the Family Courts Series by the looks
 

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