Unsolved The Family Murders

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Ted Nugent

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Good thread. Had a read through and read the book Young Blood. This is what I have worked out with the given information:

The Family consist of roughly 12 people made up of 5 main people and 7 odd associates who have varying degrees of involvement. I took some of this information from other posters' previous posts.


The 5 Main Suspects

Bevan Spencer Von Einem - Convicted of killing Richard Kelvin with no doubt about his guilt. Von Eimen was regularly picking up young males, drugging them and raping them, sometimes killing them. He is without a doubt the leader.

The Eastern suburbs business man (Mr R) - it's speculated that this man owned an inner city adult shop for a number of years. He was close with Von Einem and was likely the second biggest player. At the time he lived with Dr Stephen George Woodards in St Peters. He was refered to as "Mr R" during court hearings.

Denis St Denis - Owned a hairdressing salon in Hazelwood Park. Diaries recently uncover claim the writer saw von Einem and St Denis with pictures of Barnes after he disappeared but before he died. St Denis died in the 90s. St Denis allegedly cut Richard Kelvin's hair whilst he was in captivity. St Denis is also to have alleged to have rented a terrace house in the inner eastern suburbs with Von Einem and this is where the boys were held between abduction and death.

Dr Stephen George Woodards - Lived with the "Eastern suburbs business man" at the time but also had a high profile lawyer lover who was also allegedly involved. Woodards no doubt would have been the supplier of the date rape drugs at the time. Mark Langley had a 16cm incision from just above his penis to the navel area that was stitched up with cotton. Police have speculated this could have been to try to retrieve an object that was stuck in Langley and needed to be retrieved as this object may have had fingerprints. Could be the work of Woodards.

The Male Prostitute (Mr B) - Was in his early 20s at the time so was born circa 1960. Participated in many abductions, drugging, and raping of young men with Von Einem. He gave the police a lot of inside information on Von Einem and for the most part it correlates with the information the police have. Has know to live in Melbourne and Sydney since. His name is in the public domain for an unrelated case.

Associates Suspected to be involved

The High Profile Lawyer - Was Stephen George Woodards lover at the time of the murders.

The Transsexual 1 - a transvestite who lived with Pru Firman and another transsexual (possibly transvestite) at Alberton. He/she was involved in luring young men into Von Einem's car in exchange for drugs, and often allowed Von Einem, "The Eastern Suburbs Business Man", and "The Male Prostitute (Mr B) to use his/her residence to bring drugged boys or drug them at the premises and interfere with them. Now lives in Shipsters Rd, Kensington Park, 1 door down from Trevor peters (the owner and author of the diary that has been uncovered)

The Transsexual 2 - Pru Firman - A transvestite who at the time lived in Alberton with the 2 other transvestites. Firman died in 2010

The Transsexual 3 - little is know about this suspect. Also lived in the Alberton house.

*** Two of the transsexuals are white, the other is half Maori. It is unclear which one is the brother of a former Olympian.

Donald John Storen - Served a custodial sentence for Pedophilia in Indonesia

Not Sure If Suspects

Gary Wayne Place - witness who testified in 1988

Gino "Luigi" Gambardella - Chiropractor, friend of von Einem, was picking up and sexually assaulting blokes in 70s. Left for Europe when he was being investigated. Not considered a Family suspect. Police trying to locate him in Europe to get info on the Family.

Mother Goose - Robert Symonds, Adelaide bookmaker.
www.abc.net.au/news/2011-06-07/mother-goose-sex-trial-starts-in-adelaide/2749578

Ric Marshall
au.news.yahoo.com/video/sa/w...e-e4528df1b80e/serial-pedophile-labeled-evil/

Peter Liddy
www.adelaidenow.com.au/paedo...rs-prison-attack/story-e6frea6u-1226219014614

Richard Dutton Brown
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/...sought-young-men/story-fn6bqphm-1225971117982
 

Ted Nugent

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Just found new information:

The Olympian is Mike Turtur.

So the 3 Transsexuals who are suspects are:

Pru Firman
Mike Turtur's brother
"Miss Russell" (haven't uncovered first name yet)

It's one of the second two who lived one door down (is that the same as next door?) to the guy with the diary.
 

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Gary Wayne Place - he's not involved. He's just a witness who said he was with Alan Barnes the week before he was murdered and testified he was with Alan Barnes and a group of other including Von Einem at a pub in the City.

The Male Prostitute - has since lived in Melbourne, Sydney, and Brisbane. Has had drug problems and done a stint in jail. Last known whereabouts are he was or is a bus driver in Brisbane.
 

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Mr. Place told the court that Alan Barnes had introduced Von Einem one Saturday at an Adelaide hotel about a week before his murder. Barnes had also introduced three other people with Von Einem — a doctor whose name sounded like Goodard, a man called Mario, and a woman. There had been talk about a party that night where there would be "women, drugs, booze — anything you like."

http://dingeengoete.blogspot.com.au/2012/01/family-murders.html

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Who is "Mario"? Goodard is Stephen Woodards. The "woman" would be one of the TVs (Miss Firman, Russell or Turtur). I suspect Mario is "Mr B" or maybe Woodards' high profile lawyer lover. I strongly suspect Mario is Mario B, former adelaide male prostitute who is now a Brisbane bus driver.
 

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Something that doesn't make sense about this to me... The others involved apparently can't be touched because they are all high profile members of society like doctors and lawyers etc

The father of one of the victims is the lead newscaster for one of the stations in adelaide. I have never been to adelaide but I assume it's similar to Perth as far as social hierachy goes... Being the head of news would put him just below the local AFL players in terms of local celebrity and power

Couldn't he use his position to nail these fkers?
 

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Something that doesn't make sense about this to me... The others involved apparently can't be touched because they are all high profile members of society like doctors and lawyers etc

The father of one of the victims is the lead newscaster for one of the stations in adelaide. I have never been to adelaide but I assume it's similar to Perth as far as social hierachy goes... Being the head of news would put him just below the local AFL players in terms of local celebrity and power

Couldn't he use his position to nail these fkers?
This is largely a myth. There's a doctor who is a main suspect and a high profile lawyer who is allegedly an associate. The rest range from normal members of society down to drag queens, prostitutes, and heavy drug users (some all 3). This whole concept of them being protected is mostly not true. Here are the (alleged) main players:

The main group
1. Bevan von Einem - a book keeper/accountant
2. Mr R - had a business sort of based around antique type stuff
3. Stephen Woodards - a doctor
4. Denis St Denis - had a hair dressing shop but was hardly part of the establishment
5. A male prostitute in his early 20s

Associates

6. Pru Firman - a drag queen who lived in share house with 2 other drag queens in Alberton (shitty suburb). Lot's a drugs and date raping of young men going on here
7. Brother of Mike Turtur the Olympic Gold medalist - drag queen who live in Alberton share house
8. Drag Queen 3 - lived in same share house
9. High profile lawyer who was Woodards boyfriend
10 Donald Storen

There would be a few others.

This group was loosely based around the gay beat scene of Adelaide. Von Einem was the leader and was tight with Richmond and St Denis. On the side Von Einem was tight with the male prostitute who he would (allegedly) often pick up, drug, and rape young men with. Von Einem and Richmond (allegedly) often did the same thing together. Also the drag queens would often pose as women with Von Einem and entice young men back to the alberton house for a "party with drugs and girls (trannies)". Whther Von Einem was with Richmond or the prostitute or with some of the transsexuals, he often took the men he drugged back to the Alberton house.

So there were basically a few different groups/cliques all linked through Von Einem.

The police know all this, including all their names and roughly what part they played as it has been confirmed by numerous players including the male prostitute, some of the drag queens, and the recently discovered diaries. They've put all their stories (allegations essentially) together and they have matched. The recently discovered diary names names and it also matches the previous allegations by the male prostitute and some of the drag queens.
 

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Yet why have they raised the reward offered for crimes von eimens rotting in gaol with his viagra,for?
I think it's quite high as it is. "Mr B" (the male prostitute and one of 3 prime suspects) has made a statement. Police believe he is telling the truth except he conveniently states he left before it go gruesome). For some reason his evidence is inadmissible. Mr B also claimed Von Einem confided in him that he did the Beaumont kids and 2 young girls who disappeared from a foot match in the 1970s. This is highly unlikely and weakens Mr B's credibility.

One of the officers who was on the case from the start conceded that they didn't lean hard enough on the associates, particularly the 3x transsexuals and the high profile lawyer. I'm quite certain if immense pressure was placed on this lot the police would have found the unit were the boys/men were kept and would have attained forensic evidence and more charges would have been laid.

A lot of these people have died or moved away but I think with that diary evidence the police need to re interview and get the address of that unit. it's hard to see anyone talking this late in the piece though. Nothing to gain, a lot to lose. I think they almost have to start playing unfair to get the answers they need.


Also: Apparently Mother Goose claims he get threatened by the Family to keep his trap shut. I'd be offering him an incentive (essentially a threat) to make it worth his while to provide some new information. The police need to lock their jaw onto this and not let go until people provide them and the people of SA the naswers.
 

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Something that doesn't make sense about this to me... The others involved apparently can't be touched because they are all high profile members of society like doctors and lawyers etc

The father of one of the victims is the lead newscaster for one of the stations in adelaide. I have never been to adelaide but I assume it's similar to Perth as far as social hierachy goes... Being the head of news would put him just below the local AFL players in terms of local celebrity and power

Couldn't he use his position to nail these fkers?
Have kind of wondered this myself.
 

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not talking about the truro dump are u???

pretty sure i went to a dump out that way with a friend who lived in truro.
it was literally a guy sitting at a gate and you showed him prrof you lived around the area and paid the small fee to go in and dump stuff
from memory what you dumped wasnt even really monitored and it was in the middle of acres somewhere
 

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not talking about the truro dump are u???

pretty sure i went to a dump out that way with a friend who lived in truro.
it was literally a guy sitting at a gate and you showed him prrof you lived around the area and paid the small fee to go in and dump stuff
from memory what you dumped wasnt even really monitored and it was in the middle of acres somewhere
The guy who posted that is not on this form. That's post from another forum copy and pasted here. No idea who the actual poster is.

The problem with his post is that all the bodies were found. Sure, there could be more boys disposed of at this dump but the whole thing sounds unreliable. He's also talking cover up from high above. Sounds like bullshit.
 

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The Male Prostitute (Mr B) - Was in his early 20s at the time so was born circa 1960. Participated in many abductions, drugging, and raping of young men with Von Einem. He gave the police a lot of inside information on Von Einem and for the most part it correlates with the information the police have. Has know to live in Melbourne and Sydney since. His name is in the public domain for an unrelated case.


The Transsexual 1 - a transvestite who lived with Pru Firman and another transsexual (possibly transvestite) at Alberton. He/she was involved in luring young men into Von Einem's car in exchange for drugs, and often allowed Von Einem, "The Eastern Suburbs Business Man", and "The Male Prostitute (Mr B) to use his/her residence to bring drugged boys or drug them at the premises and interfere with them. Now lives in Shipsters Rd, Kensington Park, 1 door down from Trevor peters (the owner and author of the diary that has been uncovered)
Sorry if I'm missing something.. But why can't either of the above two be charged with sexual assault? Are they exempt because they gave information about Von Einem? That is pretty shitty.
 

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Sorry if I'm missing something.. But why can't either of the above two be charged with sexual assault? Are they exempt because they gave information about Von Einem? That is pretty shitty.
Pretty much and TBH I'm okay with it. Date raping dudes is pretty bloody wrong but not a patch on murdering dudes. I think they just needed the information. The police have a fair bit of information (the main 10 or so people involved) but no proof. What they don't know is where the victims were held and exactly who did what and exactly how involved everyone was. What they do know is that all their suspects were definitely involved and they know this from corroborating evidence from different sources.

They have admitted that they should have pressed the peripheral members (associates) a lot harder to gain evidence. if they had interrogated the 3 trannies heavily and threatened to charge them with knowledge of abduction and rape they may well have learned the location of where the boys were kept and may have found evidence.
 

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There are lots of people involved in the family murders a lot of children are missing it's all covered up
Family Murders: All young men aged from 14 to early 20s v Beaumonts: Girl 9, girl 7, boy 4.

Family Murders: Late 70s to early 80s v Beaumont Murders: 1966

Von Einem is a possibility but there's almost zero chance it was "The Family".

ps There's no cover up either. Just people like you who pass on misinformation without any factual basis. You didn't even read the thread FFS. There's more factual information in this thread that anywhere else.

I had another bloke pm me and even after I told him that a certain doctor was not a suspect he insisted that his Dad knows this guy is in The Family. This was on the premise that this doctor was the brother of a high profile Adelaide magistrate of the time. The truth is, they aren't brothers, they aren't related, and this guy isn't a suspect. You can show people the evidence but some people just want to believe what they want to believe. I feel sorry for all the Adelaide people who had rumours thrown about them for years on end.
 

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Dear Loazzak1/Dr Phibes,

You inhabited a number of chat mediums back in 2008 re the CSK. You used multiple user names just as you have on BF. On numerous occasions you passed theories off as fact. An example of this is where you claimed Judoman and Sexpestman had been ruled out.

Please stop pissing about and fabricating knowledge.

Do yourself a favour and read the thread. There is more information in this thread than anywhere else on the internet on this subject. I've done my research and checked my facts. And I don't make sh*t up or pretend I know stuff that I don't.


Regards,
Quickstraw.
 

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I have tried to put my oppinion on here but u have put me down the way u have spoke to me is not nice this us where u can post ur own oppinions but I have felt like ur own opinion is correct
In other words, you don't know anything.......

ps: Most of my stuff isn't opinions. I have gone and done a heap of research to find out names. I know who the brother of the olympian is. I know who the eastern suburbs business man is. You can't do a simple google search on this sh*t. And the names aren't guesses. They are certain.

So feel free to have an opinion but don't waste peoples' time passing off opinions as fact.
 

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let me correct your grammar first:
I have spoken to someone that is very close to this case. I can't say names cos once it all comes out I don't want to ruin it for all the families. There are so many more suspects but I don't know the names. I'm not wasting people's time but why is there only von Einem in prison. So many people went missing and killed. It's a group of people they have suspects. Why don't they get their DNA, they can pick up smokes from the ground and test them. Therefore this case is corrupt
A few points:

1. In the second sentence you say you know names. In the very next sentence you say you don't know names. Which one is it? Your arse or your elbow?
2. von Einem is the only one caught because they don't have proof for the others. The police know who his accomplices were (through statements made by suspects and these statements aligning) but don't have hard proof. They never found the unit the boys were kept at. This would have changed everything.
3. They don't have DNA to test against. Four of the bodies were cleaned, the other was a skeleton.

If you think they higher powers protected the suspects named in this thread then you have rocks in your head. For years rumours went round about high profile people making up The Family and if that were true, it would be reasonable to think there may be a cover up. But only 1 of the suspects was considered high profile. The rest ranged from a doctor, a business man, a hairdresser, a drug addicted rent boy, and 3 drug addicted transsexuals, none of which would be considered high profile. Just a bunch of queer people who formed a social group based around the kidnapping, raping, and sometimes killing of young men,

So either front of with some facts or plausible theories.
 

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let me correct your grammar first:

A few points:

1. In the second sentence you say you know names. In the very next sentence you say you don't know names. Which one is it? Your arse or your elbow?
2. von Einem is the only one caught because they don't have proof for the others. The police know who his accomplices were (through statements made by suspects and these statements aligning) but don't have hard proof. They never found the unit the boys were kept at. This would have changed everything.
3. They don't have DNA to test against. Four of the bodies were cleaned, the other was a skeleton.

If you think they higher powers protected the suspects named in this thread then you have rocks in your head. For years rumours went round about high profile people making up The Family and if that were true, it would be reasonable to think there may be a cover up. But only 1 of the suspects was considered high profile. The rest ranged from a doctor, a business man, a hairdresser, a drug addicted rent boy, and 3 drug addicted transsexuals, none of which would be considered high profile. Just a bunch of queer people who formed a social group based around the kidnapping, raping, and sometimes killing of young men,

So either front of with some facts or plausible theories.
Hard to believe a bunch of misfit weirdos could get away with all these crimes, especially when everyone that's done their "research" knows their names, place of business, address etc...

Adelaide's a small town, even smaller 30 years ago, and those involved in local political parties know there's more to this story then what's ever been published in newspapers.

Ever heard of a very high ranking pollie back in the day ordering incriminating documents be shredded regarding this case? They weren't the only copies! You can't have done research... If all you did is read papers. Bevans had privileges his entire sentence for a reason. One word from that fat old pig and he could cause all sorts of hysteria. But he wouldn't dare, not while the ones that mean the most to him still have a heart beat.

Seriously what people think they know and what's reality is so far apart, if it wasn't so disturbing it would be laughable.
 

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