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Kurve said:
Why did he stay in SA when he could have moved like most of them who were under suspicion did?
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Maybe he was just more established/settled here -he had a house, a business, a partner etc. The ones who left were the trans-women, the drag queens, the ones who rented the house at Alberton, and probably led quite transient lives so it was easier for them to just run away - I don’t recall ever hearing what any of them did for a living other than a vague mention that Pru worked a pub or bar.
 
I have to ask, who is this Mr. R.?
I looked back but couldn't find it. I only ask because there was an R in S.A. abusing children, and/or killing them. He was extradited to QLD and was sentenced to her Majestys Pleasure and looking him up on Google is almost impossible, he's a 'ghost'.
He has been questioned regulary, and still is, about the Oval girls!
 
Deni said:
I have to ask, who is this Mr. R.?
I looked back but couldn't find it. I only ask because there was an R in S.A. abusing children, and/or killing them. He was extradited to QLD and was sentenced to her Majestys Pleasure and looking him up on Google is almost impossible, he's a 'ghost'.
He has been questioned regulary, and still is, about the Oval girls!
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Deni he owns an antique clock shop.

Into young men, not children, and still living in Adelaide and running his shop as far as we can tell.
 
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A bit off topic but has anyone seen the mural on the wall at the East end of Tynt st in North Adelaide?
I often walk past it and have taken the occasional look but today i stopped for some reason and studied it closer and ive got to say, it made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.
Its a barber shop scene with a few adult cats sporting various sinister perhaps expressions surrounded by kittens, theres sharp instruments that look more surgical than hairdresser and a surgical type bowl on the floor with what looks like kidneys in it.
Considering Tynt st is only a stones throw from Ward st which is famous in this case as RK's abduction point, the link to hairdressing and the things within that painting that look more surgical than hairdressing, keeping in mind the injuries sustained by the victims, it seems very interesting.
There is a block of writing which explains what its actually about but considering the place it is and the content its hard not to draw comparisons to this case.

Thoughts..
 
PenfoldsFan said:
A bit off topic but has anyone seen the mural on the wall at the East end of Tynt st in North Adelaide?
I often walk past it and have taken the occasional look but today i stopped for some reason and studied it closer and ive got to say, it made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.
Its a barber shop scene with a few adult cats sporting various sinister perhaps expressions surrounded by kittens, theres sharp instruments that look more surgical than hairdresser and a surgical type bowl on the floor with what looks like kidneys in it.
Considering Tynt st is only a stones throw from Ward st which is famous in this case as RK's abduction point, the link to hairdressing and the things within that painting that look more surgical than hairdressing, keeping in mind the injuries sustained by the victims, it seems very interesting.
There is a block of writing which explains what its actually about but considering the place it is and the content its hard not to draw comparisons to this case.

Thoughts..
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Take a photo and post it.

People have been drawing social documentary on walls since cave men. This days it is removed quicker because someone paints over it.

Be great to have a look at it.
 
JezMez said:
Take a photo and post it.

People have been drawing social documentary on walls since cave men. This days it is removed quicker because someone paints over it.

Be great to have a look at it.
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Yes, i should have really, although i found the same scene online, its called Barber shop with monkeys and cats by the artist Abraham Teniers but im sure there were subtle differences from the original to whats on that wall, ill definitely compare it next time i walk past.
 
acerdude said:
Looking forward to watching next week's episode of Australian Crime Stories on Channel 9 which will be about Dr. Colin Manock.
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So am I actually, Colin Manock on the basis there have been calls for a Royal Commission, might even qualify for his own thread.

Better if it was a Four Corners job though.
 
Kurve said:
So am I actually, Colin Manock on the basis there have been calls for a Royal Commission might even qualify for his own thread.

Better if it was a Four Corners job though.
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Yes, but in the intro to the book, Wendy mentioned that Greg has “recently” been assisting with research. So maybe it will bring something new to the general public. Most people wouldn’t have read the book.
 
Kurve said:
So am I actually, Colin Manock on the basis there have been calls for a Royal Commission might even qualify for his own thread.

Better if it was a Four Corners job though.
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Very interesting report on Manock, the question is how and who is responsible for giving him the pathology license, that would be very very interesting indeed.


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EvansHodges77 said:
Very interesting report on Manock, the question is how and who is responsible for giving him the pathology license, that would be very very interesting indeed.


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I do think they got the right man with von Einem who was clearly up to his neck in it however, the forensic pathologist/s who produced the findings on Richard Kelvin's death and his circumstances from abduction to death almost did a good enough job to have him acquitted.

If it wasn't for the fibres and von Einem's hair on the inside of Richard's trousers, he wouldn't and probably shouldn't have been convicted. imo.
 

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Catch up here if anybody's missed ACS on Colin Manock. The man's utterly depraved, a pox on the SA govts that failed to have him removed and deported.

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I wonder what the culture was like for the other, presumably properly trained and accredited, pathologists who were forced to work under this buffoon.
I think whoever decided that instead of addressing his incompetence, the best way to deal with him was to bring someone in above him, leading to his unfair dismissal case, has a lot to answer as well. Also whoever decided that after the court case, there was no other way to get rid of him so he just stayed untouchable for years after that.
 
His experience in the UK before he was appointed to the position as a forensic pathologist in South Australia is at best uncertain. Various anomalies exist, including his claim as to his appointments at Leeds University, which do not accord with the records we have been able to obtain from Leeds.

“Despite our frequent requests, the Medical Board has consistently refused to check his qualifications.

“According to evidence given by his employer at the IMVS, Dr Jim Bonnin, the South Australian government of the time (1969) was desperate to obtain the services of a qualified forensic pathologist. Because of the dearth of suitably qualified applicants, Dr Bonnin said words to the effect that ‘we had to take a risk and we took it.’ With hindsight, it is clear that it was a risk which should not have been taken. Nor was there any real attempt made to deal with the problems which resulted from the acceptance of that risk.

“It is acknowledged that Dr Manock had no formal training in histology (an essential requirement for forensic pathology) and more importantly, he consistently refused to rectify the problem …”

Dr Bonnin told Sally Neighbour in a 2001 Four Corners story “I tried to encourage Dr Manock to study and obtain his membership of the Royal College of Pathologists of Australia because we had a man who had no specialist qualifications in a specialist’s job, and without that this would have been a severe embarrassment.”

 
He performed an autopsy in the main street if a country town. Right in front of people.

I don't think anyone disagrees that the 70s was when society was at its loosest.
 
JezMez said:
He performed an autopsy in the main street if a country town. Right in front of people.

I don't think anyone disagrees that the 70s was when society was at its loosest.
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After the internals were removed, he scooped fluid out of the cavity with a ladle and asked the townfolk 'Anybody want a slurp?'

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I think it's extremely important to appreciate the significance of his position. He was the head of Forensic Pathology in South Australia for a period of something like 30 years. And the role of a pathologist in a situation like this is, in many respects, more important than the police or a judge or a jury or anybody else.

 
Bits said:
Yes, but in the intro to the book, Wendy mentioned that Greg has “recently” been assisting with research. So maybe it will bring something new to the general public. Most people wouldn’t have read the book.
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Greg was a co-author of the book..
 
The reason why clock man is granted suppression orders on his name is because; a) the judge accepts that having a public reputation of a serious criminal will ruin his successful business, b) the judge accepts that technically the justice system works on the principle of innocent until proven guilty, and c) he is wealthy enough to be able to stump up big money for good lawyers to argue points a plus b.

As far as i know very few people visit clock man's shop as he is known to be very secretive and rude as per what few reviews i could find online about his business.
 
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I’m assuming he inherited family money then because he couldn’t be selling too many clocks. Also, why hasn’t he set the lawyers onto having his name redacted from that decision that is publicly available? The only consolation is that he would find it very difficult to behave how he likes given that he would hopefully be watched now.
 
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Deni said:
But what you and others have said could be real, my son, may he rest in peace, kept things from me, big things so it's feasible that Alan would have done the same for his mum, to spare her.
Her husband died in the war, i'm not sure which one but it doesn't really matter, war is war, Judy never stopped grieving for him. Alan probably wanted to spare her of more pain.
Unless she did know but wouldn't accept it, before my son died a couple of years ago, I would have got very angry with anyone trying to tell me the truth about his outside life, I wouldn't have accepted it, I still don't!!
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You say you knew mum wow !!! You are so out of whack it’s not funny . Dad died of the big C not in the war ! Alan n I had the same room and I knew him the best . I can tell you he WAS NOT GAY !!!! Stop big Notting yourself . I am sick of people who say they know cos they talked to mum once . YOU KNOW NOTHING!!!!
 
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