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[Rodney Lomax]

Creepy horrible crimes - discuss here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_Murders

The Family was the name given to a close-knit group of Adelaide homosexuals involved in the kidnapping, drugging, sexual abuse and, at times, torture of young men and teenaged boys in Adelaide, Australia and surrounding areas throughout the 1970s and into the mid 1980s. The existence of the group came to the attention of the public following the murder of five teenagers between 1979 and 1983.[1][2] The high profile occupations of some of the suspects led to claims of an alleged high society conspiracy.[3] The term stems from an interview a police detective gave on 60 Minutes,[4] claiming the police were taking some action "...to break up the happy family."
Victims

• Alan Barnes, aged 17, murdered in 1979. Last seen being picked up by a white Holden sedan with three or four people in it while hitchhiking, his body had been hideously mutilated and dumped in the South Para Reservoir northeast of Adelaide. A post-mortem examination revealed that Barnes had died of massive blood loss from an anal injury, likely caused by the insertion of a large blunt object. He had died several days after he went missing and Noctec was found in his blood suggesting he had been drugged.
• Neil Muir, aged 25, murdered two months after Alan Barnes in 1979. His remains had been dissected and neatly cut into many pieces, placed in a garbage bag and thrown into the Port River at Port Adelaide. Skin bearing tattoos had been removed and most of the body parts were placed in another garbage bag before being placed within the abdominal cavity. The head was tied to the torso with rope passed through the mouth and out through the neck. A post-mortem examination revealed that Muir had died of massive blood loss from an anal injury, likely caused by the insertion of a large blunt object and Noctec was found in his blood. A prominent Adelaide doctor was initially charged with Muirs' murder but found not guilty at trial. Police are now satisfied that he was not involved.
• Peter Stogneff, aged 14, murdered in 1981. His skeletal remains were found ten months later by a local farmer at Middle Beach, 50 km north of Adelaide. Peter's body had been cut into three pieces in a similar fashion to Neil Muir. Little more could be determined as the remains had been accidentally burnt by the farmer while clearing his property of scrub.
• Mark Langley, aged 18, murdered in 1982. His mutilated body was found in scrub in the Adelaide foothills nine days after his disappearance. Among the mutilations was a wound that appeared to have been cut with a surgical instrument that went from his navel to the pubic region and part of his small bowel was missing. The hair around the area had been shaved as it would have been in an operation in a hospital. The post-mortem revealed that Mark had died from a massive loss of blood from gross injuries to his anus, similar to Alan Barnes. Mandrax was found in Langley's blood.
• Richard Kelvin, aged 15, murdered in 1983. He was abducted a short distance from his North Adelaide home. His body was found by an amateur geologist off a track near One Tree Hill in the Adelaide foothills. Kelvin was held captive for over 5 weeks and a post-mortem examination revealed that he had died of massive blood loss from an anal injury, likely caused by the insertion of a large blunt object. Analysis of Kelvin's bloodstream revealed traces of four hypnotic drugs, including Mandrax and Noctec.

Police do not recognise the term "The Family" stating that "They should not be given any title that infers legitimacy. These people have no such bond, only an association that with time probably no longer exists." [5]
Of the five murders, there has been one conviction. Bevan Spencer von Einem was charged and convicted in 1984 for the murder of Kelvin.[5] In 1989, von Einem was charged with the murders of Barnes and Langley. However, the prosecution was forced to enter a Nolle Prosequi (voluntarily discontinue criminal charges) during the trial when crucial similar fact evidence was deemed inadmissible by the presiding judge. The murders of Barnes, Muir, Stogneff and Langley are unsolved.
A cold case was opened in March 2008 with a $1,000,000 reward available for anyone who provides information leading to a conviction. The reward carries an offer of immunity to accomplices dependent on their level of involvement. Due to changes in the Forensic Procedures Act which now allows DNA samples to be taken from suspects in major indictable offences, all the suspects voluntarily submitted to DNA testing. The ongoing investigation featured in an episode of Crime Stoppers which went to air on Monday, 2 March 2009.[5][6] The cold case review was completed in November 2010 with no charges being laid against any of the three key suspects.[7][8]
Suspects

Police believe that up to 12 people, several of them high-profile Australians, were involved in the kidnappings. Apart from von Einem they list three other core members directly involved in the murders with the remaining known associates involved to a lesser degree, being either indirectly involved or had knowledge of the murders but continued to interact with the group. The suspects include several members of the legal community, the brother of an Olympian and members of the business community. Although many had previously been named, with the exception of 'Suspect 2' their identities have since been suppressed by the courts.[9][10][11]

Bevan Spencer von Einem: Currently serving life imprisonment for the murder of Richard Kelvin, police have evidence he was with Alan Barnes after he was abducted and he was one of the last people seen with Neil Muir following his abduction.

Suspect 1: An eastern suburbs businessman who is believed to have been with von Einem when Kelvin was abducted. The man he was living with at the time of the murders is also a "person of interest."
Suspect 2: An Adelaide doctor. The man he was living with at the time is also a "person of interest."
Suspect 3 A close friend of von Einem and suspect 1 and a former male prostitute.
[edit] Further reading

Bob O'Brien Young Blood: The Story of the Family Murders HarperCollins 2009 ISBN 9780732290368
O'Brien was the lead detective for the "Family Murders" investigation.
[edit] References

1. ^ Shadowy clique preyed on the young AdelaideNow 1 April 2008
2. ^ The "Family" Murders TruTV
3. ^ Lock up your sons in the world's murder capital The Age August 14, 2002
4. ^ Von Einem: Lawyers in new bid to re-open Kelvin case 27 October 1996
5. ^ a b c DNA tests for Family murder suspects PerthNow 29 March 2008
6. ^ Family Murders - Adelaide Crime Stoppers 2 March 2009
7. ^ Hunt, Nigel (December 5, 2010). "Family murder truth may never be known | Adelaide Now". adelaidenow.com.au. http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/family-murder-truth-may-never-be-known/story-e6frea6u-1225965724732. Retrieved 15 March 2012.
8. ^ $5m reward bid to solve Family murders The Advertiser 26 October 2008
9. ^ $5m reward bid to solve Family murders The Advertiser 26 October 2008
10. ^ Shadowy clique preyed on the young AdelaideNow 1 April 2008
11. ^ Focus on three key suspects AdelaideNow 5 December 2010

I have used my real name, I knew Alan Barnes in real life, I was there with him during several drug deals. He was getting his drugs from someone he called an "important official". My friends and I were introduced to Alan by Michael Atkinson, the same Michael Atkinson that later refused Mrs Barnes request for an Inquiry when he was Attorney General of SA, in fact one of the drug deals with Alan was at his parents house at Plympton and there was a total of 6 people there at the time. The last time I saw Alan was in the car park of Kings Baptist College where a government registered limo delivered the drugs to Alan, counting Alan there were 4 of us there when the limo pulled in. John Charles Bannon opened the limo door for Alan to get in, funny how there was no reward offered to solve Alans murder until after Bannon died. We were not supposed to be there when the limo arrived, we were seen and there was a state election soon, Bannon had motive.

Alan told me that SAPOL officers often delivered the drugs when his "important official" was too busy, that scared me at the time. I had a close call with Peter Liddy years before when he tried to get me to go with him on one of his interstate camping trips when I was 13, Peter Liddy used to also hang around at the Seacliff Hotel in the late 1970s. During the late 1970s the Seacliff Hotel was being run by 4 SAPOL officers, one of them told me they had the liquor license in their childrens names as SAPOL officers were not allowed to. It was common knowlege at my school that underage boys could get free/cheap alcahol at that pub if you allowed those SAPOL officers to "chat you up", young girls could not get the free/cheap booze. Those SAPOL officers left the Seacliff Hotel the same time Peter Liddy left the Police Complaints Department. The day Liddy tried to pick me up was the first time I cut myself, to swear a blood oath.

3 times I have walked into SAPOL stations to makes statements.

First time was within days of Liddys arrest at the unfinished Wakefield St police station. I started by saying that I could name the politician giving drugs to Alan, the officer then asked "which political party?' to which I answered Labor. The SAPOL officer simply walked out of the room without saying anything, I was left alone for what seemed like nearly 5 min. Then another SAPOL officer entered the room and stated "I have been instructed to escort you from the building", he would not explain why.

Next I tried with one of the actual officers that was involved with arresting Liddy, Peter Rodney I believe the name he used, he had bleach blonde hair. I believe his name might have come from an amalgamation of Peter Liddys name and Rodney, the person that changed the Law to allow child victims of abuse to testify against their abusers, that was me. I threatened Judge Darren McGovern that if he didnt change the Law to allow my daughter to testify I "would do everything in my power to come up there and shove your stupid looking wig and little toy mallet up your ****ed up arse, your honour". That Law was backdated to the earliest possible date of conception of my daughter, I was trying to get it as far back as I could to get Liddy, that became December 30 1982.

The last time was after I posted comments on Julia Gillards facebook when she was PM, she sent Det Brevet Sgt Terry McCormack from the Sturt station to talk to me. He wrote nothing down, he recorded nothing, a few years later I submitted an FOI and Karen from SAPOL FOI division told me verbally on the phone that there was no statement from me on official record. She also told me that Terry had kept notes on what I had said but he keeps them at home in a notebook.

My association with Julian Assange in 1988/89 complicates things.

 

[Kurve]

Steven Ey was the lawyer so no Derrance is telling porky pies


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Excuse me for coming back to this for a moment, if you don't mind Charlie.

Stephen Ey was only admitted to the bar in 1978, he would have been considered imo too green to take on a defence of very serious criminal charges at the time Alan was murdered. Would you be willing to accept that perhaps Derrance Stevenson might have offered Alan more experienced counsel either directly, or indirectly via Gambardella or Darko?

 

[GreyCrow]

I have used my real name, I knew Alan Barnes in real life, I was there with him during several drug deals. He was getting his drugs from someone he called an "important official". My friends and I were introduced to Alan by Michael Atkinson, the same Michael Atkinson that later refused Mrs Barnes request for an Inquiry when he was Attorney General of SA, in fact one of the drug deals with Alan was at his parents house at Plympton

Its my understanding they lived in Salisbury

and there was a total of 6 people there at the time. The last time I saw Alan was in the car park of Kings Baptist College where a government registered limo delivered the drugs to Alan, counting Alan there were 4 of us there when the limo pulled in. John Charles Bannon opened the limo door for Alan to get in, funny how there was no reward offered to solve Alans murder until after Bannon died. We were not supposed to be there when the limo arrived, we were seen and there was a state election soon, Bannon had motive.

Alan died June 1979 , The State Election was September 1979 - Des Corcoran was the Premier who lost this one -

Alan told me that SAPOL officers often delivered the drugs when his "important official" was too busy, that scared me at the time. I had a close call with Peter Liddy years before when he tried to get me to go with him on one of his interstate camping trips when I was 13, Peter Liddy used to also hang around at the Seacliff Hotel in the late 1970s. During the late 1970s the Seacliff Hotel was being run by 4 SAPOL officers,

Can you name these officers and would they be similar names to 3 of the officers involved in the Duncan case?

 

[jason_recliner]

I have used my real name, I knew Alan Barnes in real life, I was there with him during several drug deals. He was getting his drugs from someone he called an "important official". My friends and I were introduced to Alan by Michael Atkinson, the same Michael Atkinson that later refused Mrs Barnes request for an Inquiry when he was Attorney General of SA, in fact one of the drug deals with Alan was at his parents house at Plympton and there was a total of 6 people there at the time. The last time I saw Alan was in the car park of Kings Baptist College where a government registered limo delivered the drugs to Alan, counting Alan there were 4 of us there when the limo pulled in. John Charles Bannon opened the limo door for Alan to get in, funny how there was no reward offered to solve Alans murder until after Bannon died. We were not supposed to be there when the limo arrived, we were seen and there was a state election soon, Bannon had motive.

Alan told me that SAPOL officers often delivered the drugs when his "important official" was too busy, that scared me at the time. I had a close call with Peter Liddy years before when he tried to get me to go with him on one of his interstate camping trips when I was 13, Peter Liddy used to also hang around at the Seacliff Hotel in the late 1970s. During the late 1970s the Seacliff Hotel was being run by 4 SAPOL officers, one of them told me they had the liquor license in their childrens names as SAPOL officers were not allowed to. It was common knowlege at my school that underage boys could get free/cheap alcahol at that pub if you allowed those SAPOL officers to "chat you up", young girls could not get the free/cheap booze. Those SAPOL officers left the Seacliff Hotel the same time Peter Liddy left the Police Complaints Department. The day Liddy tried to pick me up was the first time I cut myself, to swear a blood oath.

3 times I have walked into SAPOL stations to makes statements.

First time was within days of Liddys arrest at the unfinished Wakefield St police station. I started by saying that I could name the politician giving drugs to Alan, the officer then asked "which political party?' to which I answered Labor. The SAPOL officer simply walked out of the room without saying anything, I was left alone for what seemed like nearly 5 min. Then another SAPOL officer entered the room and stated "I have been instructed to escort you from the building", he would not explain why.

Next I tried with one of the actual officers that was involved with arresting Liddy, Peter Rodney I believe the name he used, he had bleach blonde hair. I believe his name might have come from an amalgamation of Peter Liddys name and Rodney, the person that changed the Law to allow child victims of abuse to testify against their abusers, that was me. I threatened Judge Darren McGovern that if he didnt change the Law to allow my daughter to testify I "would do everything in my power to come up there and shove your stupid looking wig and little toy mallet up your f’ed up arse, your honour". That Law was backdated to the earliest possible date of conception of my daughter, I was trying to get it as far back as I could to get Liddy, that became December 30 1982.

The last time was after I posted comments on Julia Gillards facebook when she was PM, she sent Det Brevet Sgt Terry McCormack from the Sturt station to talk to me. He wrote nothing down, he recorded nothing, a few years later I submitted an FOI and Karen from SAPOL FOI division told me verbally on the phone that there was no statement from me on official record. She also told me that Terry had kept notes on what I had said but he keeps them at home in a notebook.

My association with Julian Assange in 1988/89 complicates things.

First post here.

I'm calling bullshit. This is the kind of unsubstantiated drivel that Adelaide idiots have been going on about since the 90s. Provide proof.

Everybody in Adelaide from those days knows people who knew people who were connected to these crimes. If ANY aspect of what you posted was true it would have been exposed 20 years ago.

PS - great forum. Been lurking for months and the discussions are, for the most part, excellent.

 

[Rodney Lomax]

Its my understanding they lived in Salisbury


Alan died June 1979 , The State Election was September 1979 - Des Corcoran was the Premier who lost this one -

Can you name these officers and would they be similar names to 3 of the officers involved in the Duncan case?

Yes they did live in Salisbury but in earlier drug deal Alan was at the footy in southern suburbs and we met him at Atkinsons house after, Alan had a friend there, there was Atkinson and then 2 others with me. Alan was in a panic that we were there when the limo with Bannon was about to arrive, we were late and had no time to leave, he was afraid. I only knew one of the officers first name, it was Steve.

 

[Rodney Lomax]

First post here.

I'm calling bullshit. This is the kind of unsubstantiated drivel that Adelaide idiots have been going on about since the 90s. Provide proof.

Everybody in Adelaide from those days knows people who knew people who were connected to these crimes. If ANY aspect of what you posted was true it would have been exposed 20 years ago.

PS - great forum. Been lurking for months and the discussions are, for the most part, excellent.

I am publicly accusing Julia Gillard, when she was PM, of conspiring with Det Brevet Sgt Terry McCormack of SAPOL to conceal evidence in this unsolved murder. SPREAD IT EVERYWHERE AND GET ME SUED THEN, you have my permission

 

[Deni]

in fact one of the drug deals with Alan was at his parents house at Plympton and there was a total of 6 people there at the time. The last time I saw Alan was in the car park of Kings Baptist College where a government registered limo delivered the drugs to Alan

May I ask, were the drugs for Alan to use, or for him to distribute, or both?

 

[Rodney Lomax]

May I ask, were the drugs for Alan to use, or for him to distribute, or both?

Alan was "distributing", I never saw him use any and he seemed to be unaware of its value given the quality, when he was asked "how much?" he replied "whats it worth to you", I got the impression he was getting it free of $ charge (it was only marijuana that I saw)

 

[Rodney Lomax]

Alan never touched H ok . Alan would not have been anywhere close to H . The rumours came from clowns at parties trying to big note themselves. Alan was only 16 going on 17 and as I said before we are talking about 1979 not 2019 !!!! Debbie Marshal to me is a self centred egotistical clown. That’s why I kicked her out of my house when she ask me to go on tv .


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I never saw Alan take any drugs, in fact he even refused to smoke marijuana with my friends when I was there

 

[Bits]

I am publicly accusing Julia Gillard, when she was PM, of conspiring with Det Brevet Sgt Terry McCormack of SAPOL to conceal evidence in this unsolved murder. SPREAD IT EVERYWHERE AND GET ME SUED THEN, you have my permission

I‘m happy to remain open minded, but you are going to need to back this up with more info please because it isn’t making much sense right now.

Why was Julia Gillard involved in the first place? Did she approach Terry McCormack to ask him to hide something he’d discovered? How did she know he discovered something in the first place? Surely if she knew, others did too. I can’t believe everyone involved kept something of this magnitude a secret for all these years.

Or did Terry find, process, analyse and then decide to cover up this alleged evidence all by himself, then somehow manage to present it to the Prime Minister so that she could help him with the cover up?

Or are you alleging a much wider conspiracy in both SAPOL and in the Federal Government?

Also, how did you find out about this cover up please? Not much of a cover up if you found out about it, as well as you knowing who was involved in it.

If you have something to give your assertion credibility I’ll listen.

 

[Deni]

Alan was "distributing", I never saw him use any and he seemed to be unaware of its value given the quality, when he was asked "how much?" he replied "whats it worth to you", I got the impression he was getting it free of $ charge (it was only marijuana that I saw)

Thank you, I didn't think he did. But John Barnes thought I was saying he was addicted to H, that was far from the truth, I was only asking him if Alan could have hidden any drug taking from the family.
Now you've said that I know for sure that he wasn't.

 

[jason_recliner]

I am publicly accusing Julia Gillard, when she was PM, of conspiring with Det Brevet Sgt Terry McCormack of SAPOL to conceal evidence in this unsolved murder. SPREAD IT EVERYWHERE AND GET ME SUED THEN, you have my permission

Yeah. Nah.

 

[JezMez]

Alan told me that SAPOL officers often delivered the drugs when his "important official" was too busy, that scared me at the time.

Politicians using cops as minions to deliver drugs to a 16 year old. Lol.

 

[JezMez]

I never saw Alan take any drugs, in fact he even refused to smoke marijuana with my friends when I was there

His brother says he didn't mind a chuff.

 

[Andrew McIntyre]

Alan was "distributing", I never saw him use any and he seemed to be unaware of its value given the quality, when he was asked "how much?" he replied "whats it worth to you", I got the impression he was getting it free of $ charge (it was only marijuana that I saw)

Hi Rodney, it's refreshing to read your comments. Most of this Forum is banter directed at taking down real witnesses and constructive comments. You've probably already seen the trolls doing this. I wonder why it is that the real witnesses such as myself and my sister Ruth have comments removed when we are provide so much material. It appears that we are just providing entertainment for the trolls? We are constantly being bombarded with false reporting of our own evidence that was submitted to SAPOL & in court. My lawyer is currently assessing who shall be the first to be prosecuted. Recently, there were two trolls that were fined $150,000, setting a precedence for such matters. Rodney, I urge you to make contact with me because it appears that we have a lot to discuss and I do believe you.

 

[Rodney Lomax]

I‘m happy to remain open minded, but you are going to need to back this up with more info please because it isn’t making much sense right now.

Why was Julia Gillard involved in the first place? Did she approach Terry McCormack to ask him to hide something he’d discovered? How did she know he discovered something in the first place? Surely if she knew, others did too. I can’t believe everyone involved kept something of this magnitude a secret for all these years.

Or did Terry find, process, analyse and then decide to cover up this alleged evidence all by himself, then somehow manage to present it to the Prime Minister so that she could help him with the cover up?

Or are you alleging a much wider conspiracy in both SAPOL and in the Federal Government?

Also, how did you find out about this cover up please? Not much of a cover up if you found out about it, as well as you knowing who was involved in it.

If you have something to give your assertion credibility I’ll listen.

I got Julia Gillard involved by posting on her public facebook that she often shook hands with the politician giving drugs to Alan before he was murdered and a few other things, she needed to keep me quiet. She then sent Terry McCormack to talk to me and he clearly had no intention of taking an official statement from me as I had requested on facebook or there would have been a recording device there, so that decision was clearly made before I even talked to him. Nothing was written while I talked to him and he never contacted me again to sign anything.

Later I submitted an FOI request to see if there had been anything put into the records, my application should have just been outright refused as it would have been part of active investigation and therefore exempt from the Act. But I got no official response in writing as required under the FOI Act, instead SAPOL rang me on the phone and verbally told me the documents dont exist in official records, which breaches the Act as documents in active investigations are exempt so they shouldnt have even been looked through, but that Terry had kept handwritten notes on what I had said in a notebook he kept at home. They dont want any paper trails, thats why the verbal response, my original application probably no longer exists.

 

[Bits]

I got Julia Gillard involved by posting on her public facebook that she often shook hands with the politician giving drugs to Alan before he was murdered and a few other things, she needed to keep me quiet. She then sent Terry McCormack to talk to me and he clearly had no intention of taking an official statement from me as I had requested on facebook or there would have been a recording device there, so that decision was clearly made before I even talked to him. Nothing was written while I talked to him and he never contacted me again to sign anything.

Later I submitted an FOI request to see if there had been anything put into the records, my application should have just been outright refused as it would have been part of active investigation and therefore exempt from the Act. But I got no official response in writing as required under the FOI Act, instead SAPOL rang me on the phone and verbally told me the documents dont exist in official records, which breaches the Act as documents in active investigations are exempt so they shouldnt have even been looked through, but that Terry had kept handwritten notes on what I had said in a notebook he kept at home. They dont want any paper trails, thats why the verbal response, my original application probably no longer exists.

thank you for providing more information

 

[Kurve]

Hi Rodney, it's refreshing to read your comments. Most of this Forum is banter directed at taking down real witnesses and constructive comments. You've probably already seen the trolls doing this. I wonder why it is that the real witnesses such as myself and my sister Ruth have comments removed when we are provide so much material. It appears that we are just providing entertainment for the trolls? We are constantly being bombarded with false reporting of our own evidence that was submitted to SAPOL & in court. My lawyer is currently assessing who shall be the first to be prosecuted. Recently, there were two trolls that were fined $150,000, setting a precedence for such matters. Rodney, I urge you to make contact with me because it appears that we have a lot to discuss and I do believe you.

Why is it every time you swing in you have to insult nearly everybody here and throw your weight around threatening people? Do you have something of interest to provide on the Family murders?

Meanwhile, a politician was recently awarded $875.000 in damages for vile and defamatory social media posts where someone accused her of being a part of a paedophile ring and running an organisation involved in the sexual abuse of children.

 

[John Barnes]

Alan was "distributing", I never saw him use any and he seemed to be unaware of its value given the quality, when he was asked "how much?" he replied "whats it worth to you", I got the impression he was getting it free of $ charge (it was only marijuana that I saw)

Bull Rodney Alan never sold drugs preacher did but that was well after Alan’s death so get it right .


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[John Barnes]

Bull Rodney Alan never sold drugs preacher did but that was well after Alan’s death so get it right .


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I love people who like to big note at party’s and you are one of them . If Alan was doing all that everyone said he did he would have to have been 40 years old not 16 going on 17 . There is no way he did all the crap people say he did and like I said there was things preacher did well after Alan had died that people say Alan did . Your are right he didn’t like the way dope made him feel but did smoke it a though times this I had seen him do with preacher . Alan and I were in the same room all of Alan’s life and I knew all what he was up to and we spent a lot of time together on the weekends again I knew what he was doing most of the time . As far as the cops go Alan hated them as he was a bit picked on by them as was I . Elizabeth cops were pricks at that time and would hit you for looking at them the wrong way even if you were just a kid of 10 when Alan and I were both bashed by them walking home he was 12 .


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[John Barnes]

Excuse me for coming back to this for a moment, if you don't mind Charlie.

Stephen Ey was only admitted to the bar in 1978, he would have been considered imo too green to take on a defence of very serious criminal charges at the time Alan was murdered. Would you be willing to accept that perhaps Derrance Stevenson might have offered Alan more experienced counsel either directly, or indirectly via Gambardella or Darko?

We used Steven eye from the time he was admitted to the bar . We used him from that time on . Steve is a personal family friend from the time he started studying law that’s why we used him . Yes he would have been green but we trusted him. No Stevenson was never used


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[Kurve]

We used Steven eye from the time he was admitted to the bar . We used him from that time on . Steve is a personal family friend from the time he started studying law that’s why we used him . Yes he would have been green but we trusted him. No Stevenson was never used


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Ahh okay, thank you.

 

[John Barnes]

We used Steven eye from the time he was admitted to the bar . We used him from that time on . Steve is a personal family friend from the time he started studying law that’s why we used him . Yes he would have been green but we trusted him. No Stevenson was never used


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Ask a question and don’t assume or make statements please. The way you put your question is more like a actuation then a question . That’s the crap that gives me the shits all the people who make actuations in forms of question.


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[Kurve]

Ask a question and don’t assume or make statements please. The way you put your question is more like a actuation then a question . That’s the crap that gives me the shits all the people who make actuations in forms of question.


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I asked you a question with reasoning behind that question, there was no accusation in there whatsoever. You've just made quite an aggressive post and quite frankly, you're not the only one who's got the shits.

 

[John Barnes]

I have used my real name, I knew Alan Barnes in real life, I was there with him during several drug deals. He was getting his drugs from someone he called an "important official". My friends and I were introduced to Alan by Michael Atkinson, the same Michael Atkinson that later refused Mrs Barnes request for an Inquiry when he was Attorney General of SA, in fact one of the drug deals with Alan was at his parents house at Plympton and there was a total of 6 people there at the time. The last time I saw Alan was in the car park of Kings Baptist College where a government registered limo delivered the drugs to Alan, counting Alan there were 4 of us there when the limo pulled in. John Charles Bannon opened the limo door for Alan to get in, funny how there was no reward offered to solve Alans murder until after Bannon died. We were not supposed to be there when the limo arrived, we were seen and there was a state election soon, Bannon had motive.

Alan told me that SAPOL officers often delivered the drugs when his "important official" was too busy, that scared me at the time. I had a close call with Peter Liddy years before when he tried to get me to go with him on one of his interstate camping trips when I was 13, Peter Liddy used to also hang around at the Seacliff Hotel in the late 1970s. During the late 1970s the Seacliff Hotel was being run by 4 SAPOL officers, one of them told me they had the liquor license in their childrens names as SAPOL officers were not allowed to. It was common knowlege at my school that underage boys could get free/cheap alcahol at that pub if you allowed those SAPOL officers to "chat you up", young girls could not get the free/cheap booze. Those SAPOL officers left the Seacliff Hotel the same time Peter Liddy left the Police Complaints Department. The day Liddy tried to pick me up was the first time I cut myself, to swear a blood oath.

3 times I have walked into SAPOL stations to makes statements.

First time was within days of Liddys arrest at the unfinished Wakefield St police station. I started by saying that I could name the politician giving drugs to Alan, the officer then asked "which political party?' to which I answered Labor. The SAPOL officer simply walked out of the room without saying anything, I was left alone for what seemed like nearly 5 min. Then another SAPOL officer entered the room and stated "I have been instructed to escort you from the building", he would not explain why.

Next I tried with one of the actual officers that was involved with arresting Liddy, Peter Rodney I believe the name he used, he had bleach blonde hair. I believe his name might have come from an amalgamation of Peter Liddys name and Rodney, the person that changed the Law to allow child victims of abuse to testify against their abusers, that was me. I threatened Judge Darren McGovern that if he didnt change the Law to allow my daughter to testify I "would do everything in my power to come up there and shove your stupid looking wig and little toy mallet up your f’ed up arse, your honour". That Law was backdated to the earliest possible date of conception of my daughter, I was trying to get it as far back as I could to get Liddy, that became December 30 1982.

The last time was after I posted comments on Julia Gillards facebook when she was PM, she sent Det Brevet Sgt Terry McCormack from the Sturt station to talk to me. He wrote nothing down, he recorded nothing, a few years later I submitted an FOI and Karen from SAPOL FOI division told me verbally on the phone that there was no statement from me on official record. She also told me that Terry had kept notes on what I had said but he keeps them at home in a notebook.

My association with Julian Assange in 1988/89 complicates things.

Wow you are full of s**t lol . Do little green men talk to you in the middle of the night lol . We lived in Salisbury from 1970 on and mum stayed in Salisbury till her death just moved house. This people is the bull s**t I have had to put up with most of my life and get sick of hearing. O2 thief’s who say they know when they don’t .


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