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In the police reports dsd was named a lot and like I said I know more then the public as the cops same times slipped thing out and I seen same stuff they had that I was never should have seen. They believe Alan was killed at the highbury place according to one report but the owner after they left painted and put new carpet in . Most people see bve as a really nice person but the real thing that he is comes out when you have a young good looking boy in front of him . No fibres from anywhere this lot of things lived matched the fibres found on Alan the only place left was highbury . The cops never pushed people nor did they even questioned people around bve and as far as I am concerned they should have been charged for withholding evidence or information from police in a capital crime .


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Thanks John, you are a wealth of information and have suffered more than most ever will know, given some of the perps are still free!!!!.The only way I see anyone else being convicted is too have a full inquiry into this mess....PS-Do you happen to know the address of this Highbury unit that BVE and DSD had?.Highbury isnt far from BVE place that he shared with his mother.
 

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I think his business premises might have been a bit more involved than we've realised actually. BVE running backwards and forwards in and out of there all hours of the night, there's mention of him taking boys in there before after picking them up. I'll check on this before I confirm but I think he was caught in there having sex with a young boy after hours.

I'd like to know a bit more about who owned that business and I'd like to see a plan/map of the property. I'd also like to know how long the cops spent in there looking for evidence and if forensics went in.
He definitely got caught there after hours with young men. It was one of the first places they searched (they thought it was possible RK was held there), but they didn't find anything.
 

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They didn't even find pills? They probably weren't looking hard enough then imo.

Given that BvE was prescribed various pills he could easily have explained them away if they were in his desk drawer or indeed anywhere in his office. I assume by “they found nothing” that means no trace of RK or of a crime being committed.

Seems like there were quite a few coworkers who knew he was “off”. Brian Gant (drag/trans who lived at the Alberton house for a while) worked there and was in a relationship with BvE. Gant’s sister worked there too. Gay porn was found in the work car that BvE used and a stash was found in a shed. He was found onsite with a young boy at least once. His manager knew of various “indiscretions”. Probably not enough to go to police with for each individual instance I guess.


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Seems like there were quite a few coworkers who knew he was “off”. Brian Gant (drag/trans who lived at the Alberton house for a while) worked there and was in a relationship with BvE. Gant’s sister worked there too. Gay porn was found in the work car that BvE used and a stash was found in a shed. He was found onsite with a young boy at least once. His manager knew of various “indiscretions”. Probably not enough to go to police with for each individual instance I guess.

Not enough to fire him either apparently or take the keys to the premises away. BVE may have intimidated the manager?
 

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Alan also may have been an accident. BVE did like inserting things.

This is the thing that I'm still stuck on with the murders. If you're setting out to deliberately murder someone, as you would if you were getting rid of them cause they knew your identity, there seems to be a million easier ways to do it than how The Family did it. My first impression when I initially learned about the murders was that it seemed more likely it was BVE pushing the limits of his sick games and when he went too far he'd accidentally kill his victim.

The other thing is the timing of the murders is all over the place. Alan Barnes - June 1979, Neil Muir - August 1979, Peter Stogneff - August 1981, Mark Langley - February 1982, Richard Kelvin - 1983. 5 murders over 4 years and you're not really getting that same progression a lot of out and out killers show where the satisfaction wears off and the killings accelerate; instead the timing is very random. The violence with Neil Muir is so over the top it almost has to be personal. Richard Kelvin was killed obviously because of the publicity surrounding his abduction. But would a group who kidnapped and drugged hundreds of young men over almost a decade really be lucky enough to only pick up 3 others who recognised them out of all those other victims?
 

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This is the thing that I'm still stuck on with the murders. If you're setting out to deliberately murder someone, as you would if you were getting rid of them cause they knew your identity, there seems to be a million easier ways to do it than how The Family did it. My first impression when I initially learned about the murders was that it seemed more likely it was BVE pushing the limits of his sick games and when he went too far he'd accidentally kill his victim.

The other thing is the timing of the murders is all over the place. Alan Barnes - June 1979, Neil Muir - August 1979, Peter Stogneff - August 1981, Mark Langley - February 1982, Richard Kelvin - 1983. 5 murders over 4 years and you're not really getting that same progression a lot of out and out killers show where the satisfaction wears off and the killings accelerate; instead the timing is very random. The violence with Neil Muir is so over the top it almost has to be personal. Richard Kelvin was killed obviously because of the publicity surrounding his abduction. But would a group who kidnapped and drugged hundreds of young men over almost a decade really be lucky enough to only pick up 3 others who recognised them out of all those other victims?
There were rapes in between those murders as well. There's lots of reasonable explanations;

- The ones he murdered, he had access to a facility to keep them for days. If you keep them for days, you sort of have to kill them. With the rapes (like George), he can make an excuse, "he had too much to drink and sex was consensual" etc. When he keeps them for a few days, it's hard to deny it's not abduction and rape.

- It could have depended on who he was with.
 
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But would a group who kidnapped and drugged hundreds of young men over almost a decade really be lucky enough to only pick up 3 others who recognised them out of all those other victims?

What i cant fathom is how any crime is committed against them before that recognition is exposed.

Looking at AB's scenario we know he frequented BVE's workplace so there is a link between them prior to the abduction day. So AB is standing on the side of the road, a car pulls up containing BVE, he's offered a ride, gets in, is offered a drink and throughout all of that neither BVE realises he knows the kid and decides its not worth the complication nor does AB say hey, i know you, i deliver drinks to your workplace.
Instead, upon waking from a drugged state AB says i know you and is subsequently murdered.
Makes little sense to me and thats before you even consider where he just spent the last 24hrs.
 

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What i cant fathom is how any crime is committed against them before that recognition is exposed.

Looking at AB's scenario we know he frequented BVE's workplace so there is a link between them prior to the abduction day. So AB is standing on the side of the road, a car pulls up containing BVE, he's offered a ride, gets in, is offered a drink and throughout all of that neither BVE realises he knows the kid and decides its not worth the complication nor does AB say hey, i know you, i deliver drinks to your workplace.
Instead, upon waking from a drugged state AB says i know you and is subsequently murdered.
Makes little sense to me and thats before you even consider where he just spent the last 24hrs.

Same with Mark Langley. He's just had an argument and stormed out of the car at 2am and started walking. BvE pulls up and offers him a lift. At this point Mark has no reason to suspect he's anything other than a good samaritan so presumably there's some casual conversation. If Bevan looked so much like his brother that Mark would've recognised him, surely that's the time where he'd be going "you know I may have had a bit too much to drink already tonight but I swear I know your face from somewhere." Usually if a face triggers your memory it's almost instant not hours later in a drugged stupor.
 

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Same with Mark Langley. He's just had an argument and stormed out of the car at 2am and started walking. BvE pulls up and offers him a lift. At this point Mark has no reason to suspect he's anything other than a good samaritan so presumably there's some casual conversation. If Bevan looked so much like his brother that Mark would've recognised him, surely that's the time where he'd be going "you know I may have had a bit too much to drink already tonight but I swear I know your face from somewhere." Usually if a face triggers your memory it's almost instant not hours later in a drugged stupor.

I think you all need to read Bs statements and he said within minutes the boys were out of it .


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I think you all need to read Bs statements and he said within minutes the boys were out of it .


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Not just B but a lot of the victims said they were out of it within minutes . 5 said they didn’t even finished the drink and they were out cold and 2 said they only had a mouth full and they were out of it . Mark hops in a car : “ would you like a drink?” Mark had been drinking so one more would not hurt . Within minutes he is gone . B said they really did not talk that much .
Bve : “ where are you off to “ ?
Mark : said were !!!
Bve : “ would you like a beer mate “
Mark : “ yes mate “
Two mouth fulls and out !
That’s how it happened with most that were rapped same were asked if they want to go to a party with lots of girls but most went down the way I just said .


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Read the Mulligan Enquiry..
It’s stinks of Gamberella and his cronies..
No proof.
You can’t smell it.


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Why not extradite Gamberalla on historical child sex charges?
Why not let that piece of s**t sit for 24hrs in a cell...and no doubt he would spill his guts..
Give him total immunity, let him go back to Europe....give him the reward money.

That’s how you get the truth...will it happen?
NO


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Prospect Rd, Prospect maybe. I read or listened somewhere that he took young guy there and asked him to strip off. Unsure if that was where his "clinic" was.
 

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Prospect Rd, Prospect maybe. I read or listened somewhere that he took young guy there and asked him to strip off. Unsure if that was where his "clinic" was.

Thanks Pal, Currently I am trying to dig up pics of these Transvestites.Ive heard them described as "Attractive" and that most men couldnt tell!!!..I guess thats how the boys were lured in..Be interesting to see pics of them..
 

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Prospect Rd, Prospect maybe. I read or listened somewhere that he took young guy there and asked him to strip off. Unsure if that was where his "clinic" was.

I’m interested to hear you response to this Jez old mate.

Do you think we should extradite him?

Do you think he was a procurer of young blokes?

Please answer all individual questions, individually cobber.





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Thanks Pal, Currently I am trying to dig up pics of these Transvestites.Ive heard them described as "Attractive" and that most men couldnt tell!!!..I guess thats how the boys were lured in..Be interesting to see pics of them..

We’ve all tried to dig up photos at some point. I hope you can find them.
 

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I’m interested to hear you response to this Jez old mate.

Do you think we should extradite him?

Do you think he was a procurer of young blokes?

Please answer all individual questions, individually cobber.
old mate? cobber?

Pull your head in you peanut.

1. Extradite him? It would be great but I can't see how legally we would have a strong enough reason.

2. Of course he procured young blokes.

Now you need to answer my questions (I've asked this before, but you avoided it);


Where is the direct link between that article you posted re the Mulligan Inquiry?
How is Gambardella linked to the Family?


You can't just post a transcript of some child molestation allegations and then say, "see, it's all linked! The were higher powers involved and BVE was just a delivery driver!", and "A member of the Church visited BVE in prison regularly and therefore the Church were involved in the family!"

You have provided no evidence whatsoever. No names, places, how people knew each other, age of the victims, etc NOTHING!

It seems you think all the things in the Milligan Inquiry is linked to The Family. You seem to think that anyone paedophilia linked to high profile people is synonymous with the Family. Read the thread. The majority of people understand The Family as being the group that were responsible for the death of those 5 boys. Everyone is happily discussing it over 1000s of posts. Now you're trying to force feed everyone that the Family is something different. You're hijacking the thread.
 

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Do we even know if any of the girls worked and what they did? Did any of them work in the entertainment industry because if we had a stage name we might be able to get something off that?
TG strip club sort of thing.
 

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