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[Walshy_The_Goat]

Two reasons now point to Zoom being Jay Garrick from the future.

The first being the Hunter Zoloman connection with his doppelganger on Earth 1.

The second which was hinted at massively in this ep when talking about Velocity 6/7 - Jay has a craving to become faster by any means possible, a connection he shares with Zoom. He explained it as if it were an addiction, and it's entirely possible that Jay is the 'good' version before he is driven mad by his addiction later in the future and turns into Zoom.

My other theory is that Eddie could be the other conceivable suspect. We didn't spot his doppelganger on Earth 2, so where is he? More intriguingly, why was his body sucked into the portal after he killed himself in S1? The writers deliberately added that for a reason - could it have something to do with Zoom?

Boooom! My theory about Jay takes another step towards coming true.

The man in the mask spelt out 'Jay' to indicate one of two things...

1. He is the actual Jay Garrick under the iron mask being held captive by Zoom - an evil Jay perhaps, or even an evil Eddie?

OR

2. It isn't Jay under the iron mask, but instead someone else (Eddie) indicating that Jay is actually Zoom - perhaps due to going crazy with his insatiable need for speed force.

I still believe that the first theory will be true... but with a twist!

The Jay Garrick that has been helping out Barry and co is actually the older evil version of Jay (Hunter Zoloman) that has become Zoom later on in the future timeline of E1. In order to blend in and look the same age as the captive Jay, Zoloman has stolen his youthful facial and body features - similar to how Eobard used that technology to steal Wells body on E1.

The reason Zoloman could be keeping his younger counterpart captive could be something to do with the cell degeneration illness that Caitlyn uncovered, and he was harvesting his DNA to replicate and replace his own dying cells... that is until Caitlyn's development of Velocity 9 showed him a method of staying alive without further damaging his cells.

As for Jay being impaled with Zoom's arm through the portal, it may be a speed mirage similar to Reverse-Flash's ability to fight with himself. I just found it way too convenient that he was standing unnecessarily close to the portal. You could just tell something was going to happen.

 

[Walshy_The_Goat]

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Here's an image of a tiny bit of the mystery man's skin and hair. Mind you it could be a new actor we haven't seen before but it's worth sharing here for speculation.

Here is a comparison of the back of Eddie and Jay's hair/head to the above image. I reckon it matches Jay more.

 

[FISTO]

The man in the mask spelt out 'Jay' to indicate one of two things...

1. He is the actual Jay Garrick under the iron mask

OR

2. It isn't Jay under the iron mask

Nice job detective

 

[Walshy_The_Goat]

Nice job detective

Nice misquote of me champ. What's the use of quoting me if you're going to rewrite what was originally written? Nice job, moron.

What was meant is either the prisoner is indicating that he is the real Jay under the iron mask, or he's alluding to Jay being Zoom.

 

[FISTO]

Nice misquote of me champ. What's the use of quoting me if you're going to rewrite what was originally written? Nice job, moron.

What was meant is either the prisoner is indicating that he is the real Jay under the iron mask, or he's alluding to Jay being Zoom.

Wat??

I didn't rewrite anything

 

[Walshy_The_Goat]

Wat??

I didn't rewrite anything

Oh rly? Bolded below is the rest of the sentence that you omitted from the original quote, which gave context to the point I was getting across - that either the prisoner was Jay trying to tell Barry it was him under the iron mask, or that the prisoner was just trying to say straight out that Jay was Zoom.

The man in the mask spelt out 'Jay' to indicate one of two things...

1. He is the actual Jay Garrick under the iron mask being held captive by Zoom - an evil Jay perhaps, or even an evil Eddie?

OR

2. It isn't Jay under the iron mask, but instead someone else (Eddie) indicating (trying to say) that Jay is actually Zoom - perhaps due to going crazy with his insatiable need for speed force.

 

[SwampCreature]

Nice misquote of me champ.

I lick bums.

Eew, gross

 

[aussiedude]

Today is the day we get a King Shark episode

 

[FISTO]

Today is the day we get a King Shark episode

So... King Shark is like the Hodor of the DC Universe?

 

[schmuttt]

Spoiler

I wish it was eddie biggest mind**** in that last scene because I think the guy in the helmet is also a version of jay/hunter zolomon

 

[HenrikLundqvist]

I was thinking they were leading towards having King Shark drag Barry underwater to discover there was a submerged breach portal in tact.

Good episode.

 

[aussiedude]

So... King Shark is like the Hodor of the DC Universe?

No King Shark is smart, He just has his own theme song that he yells at times before he wrecks shit.

 

[aussiedude]

The Barry voice over about Earth-2 and Jay made the episode feel more like a season return/ Mid season return.

Jessie was in serious need of a shower after getting locked up for months, but they couldnt have anyone get her some real clothes without waiting a few days. Just like DickWells early on always in STAR labs gear. But they need to keep them on this Earth.

So we now have 3 Jay/Hunter. The Earth-2 Flash, Zoom and i still think the man in the Cell is also Jay.

 

[aussiedude]

Ohh WTF Now its taking a 4 week break. BOOOOOO.

The CGI was good this week, I wonder what they will do with the Flash on the Supergirl crossover since they will have a higher budget then the CW

Thinking about it now. I think the Jay that was on E2 was just a clone [Clone would also explain the corrupt DNA] since he never had speed and Zoom was using him to have V-9 developed and have Barry get faster/learn more for Zoom to get even more speedforce. and the one in the cell is the real E2 Jay/Flash.

And then the Jay in the Cell and Zoom end up being twins who were separated at birth thats why they both have the Speedforce.

1. Zoom is Earth 2 Hunter Zolomon.
2. Team Flash Jay was a clone/ speed clone that was up to no good.
3. Masked man is the real E2 Jay Garrick.

 

[kreglze]

My tip is Hunter and Jay are twins.

Zoom is Earth 2 Hunter, Earth 2 Jay is dead.

Earth 1 Hunter is that random guy in the park, Earth 1 Jay is the guy in the metal mask.

My 2 cents.

 

[Sterge]

Wally isn't very smart is he

 

[aussiedude]

Wally isn't very smart is he

He is building a Turbine car.

Its not like he is the first person to not notice Barry is the Flash [He spends less time working for the CCPD then Supergirl does at her desk]. and he doesnt like Barry so would rather think of him as scared then anything else.

At least Wally isnt being an annoying angry teen anymore.

 

[Sterge]

He is building a Turbine car.

Its not like he is the first person to not notice Barry is the Flash [He spends less time working for the CCPD then Supergirl does at her desk]. and he doesnt like Barry so would rather think of him as scared then anything else.

At least Wally isnt being an annoying angry teen anymore.

They all went upstairs together how big is the house surely you question why a giant shark comes looking for flash, flash turns up and Joe and Iris aren't bothered about finding Barry afterwards.


The end was great confirmed what most people had guessed already, I still think we are talking about Jay from the future as zoom. They mentioned all the stuff with reverse flash still existing in the time stream even after Eddie died which would be applicable for Zoom killing Garrick

 

[Demosthenes]

My tip is Hunter and Jay are twins.

Zoom is Earth 2 Hunter, Earth 2 Jay is dead.

Earth 1 Hunter is that random guy in the park, Earth 1 Jay is the guy in the metal mask.

My 2 cents.

There is an interview with one of the showrunners in Variety that says Zoom is 'our' Jay.

It wasn't specified whether he was from the future or whatever though. All these alternate worlds and timelines are starting to give me a headache.

 

[vast]

They all went upstairs together how big is the house surely you question why a giant shark comes looking for flash, flash turns up and Joe and Iris aren't bothered about finding Barry afterwards.


The end was great confirmed what most people had guessed already, I still think we are talking about Jay from the future as zoom. They mentioned all the stuff with reverse flash still existing in the time stream even after Eddie died which would be applicable for Zoom killing Garrick

Yeah I still dont understand that Eobard Thawne.still exising in the time stream thing.

Anyway good ep, lets see how they explain Jays death and possible implications.

 

[schmuttt]

Yeah I still dont understand that Eobard Thawne.still exising in the time stream thing.

Anyway good ep, lets see how they explain Jays death and possible implications.

Eobard in the comics is outside the time stream or some shit, he always finds a way to come back.

 

[happy_eagle]

From the previous 100 predictions I had made about Zoom, I got one right with him being Jay

 

[manureid]

Seriously... 4 weeks until the next episode ???

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Four weeks? Go and get ****ed

 

[Demosthenes]

Incidentally, when I read that this episode was going to be about King Shark, I thought it would be a lot more fun than it actually was. The first episode on Earth 2 was great, but the last couple have felt like I'm watching Arrow.

Hopefully they dial back the moodiness at some stage.