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[Procrastinator35]

Life and the universe is magical in a rhetorical sense, but in the end it is made up of a whole lot of things which we can study and understand. Understanding nature and the universe doesn't have to take away the wonder and magic of the universe, in fact it can increase the wonder in how incredible it is. However the feeling of magic and wonder of how the universe works is no basis for believing that it must have been created by actual magic.

All philosophy - and Science by extension - begins in Wonder (Aristotle.)

 

[theyellowsash]

All philosophy - and Science by extension - begins in Wonder (Aristotle.)

It begins in wonder but that wonder encourages study which results in learning and understanding. That understanding can still create wonder, wonder as in wow that's incredible. But that doesn't excuse ignoring the study and learning part and just believing everything is literally magic.

 

[MIKE85]

Life and the universe is magical in a rhetorical sense, but in the end it is made up of a whole lot of things which we can study and understand. Understanding nature and the universe doesn't have to take away the wonder and magic of the universe, in fact it can increase the wonder in how incredible it is. However the feeling of magic and wonder of how the universe works is no basis for believing that it must have been created by actual magic.

I'm in 2 minds on this topic. On one hand, I find it hard to believe that there is something out there that just created everything, but then I also struggle to believe that the universe just popped into existance from nothing. What was before that? Nothing. How could it have been nothing? Both concepts are hard to believe IMO.

 

[Boston tiger]

Mate if I am specifically talking about the big bang in a scientific sense I cannot add god to the equation.

Now you can say god created the big bang but it would no longer be in the realm of science.

I can’t see where you have a problem. The Big Bang is after creation... something went bang. You don’t have to add God to it.... we are now in the our natural world.

Man is allowed to explain his natural world.. there’s stuff and it’s in motion.

Science cant explain pre existence.. it’s supernatural.

To say you can’t have science and God is saying you can’t have man and God.

 

[Procrastinator35]

It begins in wonder but that wonder encourages study which results in learning and understanding. That understanding can still create wonder, wonder as in wow that's incredible. But that doesn't excuse ignoring the study and learning part and just believing everything is literally magic.

That 'understanding' itself is still pre-set upon the limits of the human conscious mechanism.....In other words, Metaphysics always precedes epistemology....Always has, always will.....Regardless of science's attempts to usurp philosophy's crown as the Queen of comprehension.

Never going to happen.

 

[NEGAN]

I can’t see where you have a problem. The Big Bang is after creation... something went bang. You don’t have to add God to it.... we are now in the our natural world.

Man is allowed to explain his natural world.. there’s stuff and it’s in motion.

Science cant explain pre existence.. it’s supernatural.

To say you can’t have science and God is saying you can’t have man and God.

...,........

talking scientific specific theories
I cannot add god because it no longer becomes scientific.

I wasn't talking about the possibilities of God creating the big bang I was using the scientific theory in it's literal scientific interpretation in my quote.

 

[Boston tiger]

I'm in 2 minds on this topic. On one hand, I find it hard to believe that there is something out there that just created everything, but then I also struggle to believe that the universe just popped into existance from nothing. What was before that? Nothing. How could it have been nothing? Both concepts are hard to believe IMO.

The idea that the natural world created itself is intuitively impossible for me to entertain.
To me there is something beyond our minds at play.

 

[Boston tiger]

...,........

talking scientific specific theories
I cannot add god because it no longer becomes scientific.

I wasn't talking about the possibilities of God creating the big bang I was using the scientific theory in it's literal scientific interpretation in my quote.

Great. Science is a good thing. The Big Bang doesn’t try to explain much other than what happened. So what .. it doesn’t disprove the Christian God.
People might tell you it does ( Dawkins etc )but the science doesn’t.

 

[NEGAN]

Great. Science is a good thing. The Big Bang doesn’t try to explain much other than what happened. So what .. it doesn’t disprove the Christian God.
People might tell you it does ( Dawkins etc )but the science doesn’t.

Why are you telling me this?

Your argument is with science not me you don't even realise I am on your side of the fence.

Why don't you have this discussion with Jack.

 

[Boston tiger]

Why are you telling me this?

Your argument is with science not me you don't even realise I am on your side of the fence.

Why don't you have this discussion with Jack.

I don’t think the world is flat.

 

[JackOutback]

You are reliant upon conscious being & awareness in the first place in order to observe & extrapolate upon anything.

No consciousness with which to perceive the material world = No material world.

Welcome to philosophy 101.

The first sentence is objectively true. The second is not. Back to philosophy 101 for you.

 

[NEGAN]

I don’t think the world is flat.

Which has nothing to do with the our discussion

 

[Procrastinator35]

The first sentence is true. The second is not. Back to philosophy 101 for you.

 

[theyellowsash]

I can’t see where you have a problem. The Big Bang is after creation... something went bang. You don’t have to add God to it.... we are now in the our natural world.

Man is allowed to explain his natural world.. there’s stuff and it’s in motion.

Science cant explain pre existence.. it’s supernatural.

To say you can’t have science and God is saying you can’t have man and God.

Just because we don't know what was around before the big bang, that doesn't mean that it must have been some magical God who has the power to make everything.

What's sillier, to admit that we don't know something, or to claim that we know exactly what happened because there's a story about it that, even in the history of humankind, was only recently made up.

 

[Boston tiger]

Just because we don't know what was around before the big bang, that doesn't mean that it must have been some magical God who has the power to make everything.

What's sillier, to admit that we don't know something, or to claim that we know exactly what happened because there's a story about it that, even in the history of humankind, was only recently made up.

If that was all there was .. then yes it would be silly.

 

[theyellowsash]

If that was all there was .. then yes it would be silly.

Well, that is all there is. Religion tries to explain the world by inventing magical beings to explain everything unknown. Science says we don't know, so instead of inventing why it is so, let's try to actually find out.

 

[Wallaby]

If there WAS a creator - it certainly wasn't a very intelligent one.

 

[Boston tiger]

If there WAS a creator - it certainly wasn't a very intelligent one.

Speak for yourself

 

[theyellowsash]

If there WAS a creator - it certainly wasn't a very intelligent one.

I'd say he probably would be intelligent (the universe is after all extremely complex). He is however THE supreme arseh*le.

 

[NEGAN]

Well, that is all there is. Religion tries to explain the world by inventing magical beings to explain everything unknown. Science says we don't know, so instead of inventing why it is so, let's try to actually find out.

No science says we don't know, so it was magic.

 

[JackOutback]

People seem to misunderstand the Big Bang and think it's the final explanation and therefore lacking. It's not; scientists are seeking to explain how the Big Bang came about and have many theories. Just because we don't have the answer doesn't mean we have to fall back on God.

 

[Boston tiger]

Well, that is all there is. Religion tries to explain the world by inventing magical beings to explain everything unknown. Science says we don't know, so instead of inventing why it is so, let's try to actually find out.

Intuitive thought v analytical thought.

Spirituality is for the intuitive thinkers.. religion is so everyone can join in.

In the end it’s all about happiness. Now a days we can keep ourselves fairly busy before we drop off the perch and we aren’t burying our young. So why contemplate anything.

I’ve been around the block a few times in the God threads on here.

All good fun.

 

[theyellowsash]

No science says we don't know, so it was magic.

Only if you're talking about FES science.

And now we've come full circle.

 

[theyellowsash]

Intuitive thought v analytical thought.

Spirituality is for the intuitive thinkers.. religion is so everyone can join in.

In the end it’s all about happiness. Now a days we can keep ourselves fairly busy before we drop off the perch and we aren’t burying our young. So why contemplate anything.

I’ve been around the block a few times in the God threads on here.

All good fun.

I'm not arguing not to contemplate the universe. I love thinking about how things work, digging into the why and how of things I don't understand. But to me simply saying god did it is not contemplation, intuitive or even inclusive. To me it's a cop out basically saying well we don't know, so here's a story and this is what it is. There is no intuitiveness in trying to actually find out what is really happening. It's the ignorance of blindly believing old stories against trying to actually discover the truth.

 

[Procrastinator35]

People seem to misunderstand the Big Bang and think it's the final explanation and therefore lacking. It's not; scientists are seeking to explain how the Big Bang came about and have many theories. Just because we don't have the answer doesn't mean we have to fall back on God.

Right....So in the beginning there was nothing.....then nothing spontaneously exploded into something.

Got it.