Mega Thread The Flat Earth Mega thread.

[darth_timon]

this is an entry-level scientific mind, my friends. hey, let's not analyse claims and evidence through our logical faculties - but rather, obfuscate the issue into a 'why would they lie' matter. i'm not here to tell you why anyone would fake anything. i'm more interested in actual evidence, of which, for the spinning ball, i have seen very little.

Actually the question of 'why' is very important here, and your answer avoids the question. 'Why hide the truth' is a compelling argument against flat-earth nonsense, for no one has been able to answer this question to any satisfying degree.

The resources required to conceal giant ice walls and bribe airlines and shipping companies into silence is all to achieve... what? What is the endgame of this? Who does it benefit to keep what would be an obvious fact so secret? Especially over a sustained period of time?

 

[Roylion]

they tell seven year olds regardless of what genitals you have you can be whatever type of thing you want (in regard to gender) ...

Not in the science curriculum they don't.

in 17, in australia ...

few years ago they were whipping kids for sneezing or being dumasses

7% of catholics brother rape kids, the royal commision reckons

And how does any of this have does this have relevance to what goes into the science curriculum?

Is that the best you can do?

 

[cannot]

Actually the question of 'why' is very important here, and your answer avoids the question. 'Why hide the truth' is a compelling argument against flat-earth nonsense, for no one has been able to answer this question to any satisfying degree.

The resources required to conceal giant ice walls and bribe airlines and shipping companies into silence is all to achieve... what? What is the endgame of this? Who does it benefit to keep what would be an obvious fact so secret? Especially over a sustained period of time?

what else thats important is this:

just cause you cant work out why, doesnt mean much

it just means you dont know

it certainly doesnt mean TPTB have not lied to you

or your daddy

 

[cannot]

Not in the science curriculum they don't.



And how does any of this have does this have relevance to what goes into the science curriculum?

Is that the best you can do?

i can do better, id not noticed you specified 'science'. i got banned for something so you'll, have to grant me some time

im am pleased the academic has been drawn to the fe discussion however, where there is smoke there is fire>? what made you feel like it was worth joining the party

did you just come here flapping your gums? or did you read anything here? Eratosthenes was already touched on and doesnt add much to the conversation sadly

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

Actually the question of 'why' is very important here, and your answer avoids the question. 'Why hide the truth' is a compelling argument against flat-earth nonsense, for no one has been able to answer this question to any satisfying degree.

The resources required to conceal giant ice walls and bribe airlines and shipping companies into silence is all to achieve... what? What is the endgame of this? Who does it benefit to keep what would be an obvious fact so secret? Especially over a sustained period of time?

It's all part of Big Globe who can continue to make millions off the sales of plastic spheres.

 

[cannot]

It's all part of Big Globe who can continue to make millions off the sales of plastic spheres.

... live an uber consumer-capitalist lifestyle and not about divine matters, would be in there somewhere perhaps

 

[darth_timon]

what else thats important is this:

just cause you cant work out why, doesnt mean much

it just means you dont know

it certainly doesnt mean TPTB have not lied to you

or your daddy

You have completely failed to answer the important part of the question. In fact, you have evaded it.

To maintain a global conspiracy involving several space agencies, hundreds of airline companies, communications companies, shipping firms and multiple governments for several years without anyone noticing 'the truth' would be an enormously expensive and time-consuming exercise. I have yet to see one satisfactorily explanation for why it would be necessary to conceal a flat earth from the public, especially through such elaborate means. I may not be able to work out why such a conspiracy would exist, but from your non-answer to my comment, it's clear you cannot do so either.

 

[Roylion]

i can do better, id not noticed you specified 'science'.

How many times did I have to mention the word "science", "scientific" and "scientist" for you to realise what I was talking about? I counted at least six.

im am pleased the academic has been drawn to the fe discussion however, where there is smoke there is fire>? what made you feel like it was worth joining the party

'Party'? If this is a 'party' its a fairly dismal one. I've explained why the FE Earth theory will not be taught in science curriculums. No more, no less.

did you just come here flapping your gums? or did you read anything here?

Are you really devoid of basic comprehension? Go and read what I said again. This time carefully. Why do you think I commented?

 

[BrewSmackerVeiny]

You have completely failed to answer the important part of the question. In fact, you have evaded it.

To maintain a global conspiracy involving several space agencies, hundreds of airline companies, communications companies, shipping firms and multiple governments for several years without anyone noticing 'the truth' would be an enormously expensive and time-consuming exercise. I have yet to see one satisfactorily explanation for why it would be necessary to conceal a flat earth from the public, especially through such elaborate means. I may not be able to work out why such a conspiracy would exist, but from your non-answer to my comment, it's clear you cannot do so either.

It's been covered multiple times earlier in the thread, I realize it's a long thread with a lot of long videos so It's not unreasonable to not have found the answer on an older page, I'll try and summarise what I have gleaned -
The general consensus for the reason would seem to be in order to make it appear as if there is no god, and by extension, no greater purpose for life, thus making people more interested in 'living for the now'(An ideal consumer), and having no 'post life consequences' for actions they may consider otherwise immoral. If the Earth was flat and existed the way the FE theory claims then it would be abundantly clear that it had to have been created, thus people would be more inclined to seek out divine answers and higher meaning, and less inclined to focus on materialism and less willing to act immorally.
There may have been other reasons posited but this seems to be the main one.

 

[darth_timon]

It's been covered multiple times earlier in the thread, I realize it's a long thread with a lot of long videos so It's not unreasonable to not have found the answer on an older page, I'll try and summarise what I have gleaned -
The general consensus for the reason would seem to be in order to make it appear as if there is no god, and by extension, no greater purpose for life, thus making people more interested in 'living for the now'(An ideal consumer), and having no 'post life consequences' for actions they may consider otherwise immoral. If the Earth was flat and existed the way the FE theory claims then it would be abundantly clear that it had to have been created, thus people would be more inclined to seek out divine answers and higher meaning, and less inclined to focus on materialism and less willing to act immorally.
There may have been other reasons posited but this seems to be the main one.

Why does it not surprise me that one of the cornerstones of FE theory is this sort of nonsense? The irony of some FE supporters calling the scientific method 'religious', whilst arguing in favour of a vast conspiracy that seeks to undermine religious beliefs... are these people so insecure in their faith that they have to shore up their beliefs by attacking science?

 

[darth_timon]

... live an uber consumer-capitalist lifestyle and not about divine matters, would be in there somewhere perhaps

This explains a lot (as does BrewSmackerVeiny's explanation). You think the notion that the earth is a globe is somehow an attack on religious beliefs.

 

[Reppie]

It's been covered multiple times earlier in the thread, I realize it's a long thread with a lot of long videos so It's not unreasonable to not have found the answer on an older page, I'll try and summarise what I have gleaned -
The general consensus for the reason would seem to be in order to make it appear as if there is no god, and by extension, no greater purpose for life, thus making people more interested in 'living for the now'(An ideal consumer), and having no 'post life consequences' for actions they may consider otherwise immoral. If the Earth was flat and existed the way the FE theory claims then it would be abundantly clear that it had to have been created, thus people would be more inclined to seek out divine answers and higher meaning, and less inclined to focus on materialism and less willing to act immorally.
There may have been other reasons posited but this seems to be the main one.

Excellent post.
Some have spiritual minds and others have material minds so there will never be an agreement on a lot of subjects.
There are a lot of questions to be answered from both camps but more from the globe model in my opinion.
It's flat until someone can prove otherwise.

 

[darthbards]

It's been covered multiple times earlier in the thread, I realize it's a long thread with a lot of long videos so It's not unreasonable to not have found the answer on an older page, I'll try and summarise what I have gleaned -
The general consensus for the reason would seem to be in order to make it appear as if there is no god, and by extension, no greater purpose for life, thus making people more interested in 'living for the now'(An ideal consumer), and having no 'post life consequences' for actions they may consider otherwise immoral. If the Earth was flat and existed the way the FE theory claims then it would be abundantly clear that it had to have been created, thus people would be more inclined to seek out divine answers and higher meaning, and less inclined to focus on materialism and less willing to act immorally.
There may have been other reasons posited but this seems to be the main one.

There also seems to be a huge fear in regards to things such as the big band and other scientific theories being completely wrong.

This fear can be seen via aggression and anger,always a dead giveaway.

 

[darth_timon]

There also seems to be a huge fear in regards to things such as the big band and other scientific theories being completely wrong.

This fear can be seen via aggression and anger,always a dead giveaway.

As opposed to the subtle snide remarks and attacks on science as being a religious mentality?

I've put the following up on my website. http://meerkatmusings.co.uk/flat-earthers/

Over on Big Footy, I am following and participating in a thread that highlights the extent to which people are prepared to believe wild conspiracy theories. Namely that the world is flat. This would be amusing if it were not a tragic indictment of how damaging pseudo-science is.

The thread is indicative of the same problem that motivates anti-vaxxers – people will believe stuff that sounds vaguely scientific, but will ignore stuff that actually is scientific, because it’s hard. Let’s take a more detailed look at the flat-earth nonsense, and let’s consider a force called gravity.

Gravity is the theory that objects exert a pull on each other. Over time, two rocks in space will be attracted to one another, and will collide. This new object has more mass, and therefore its pull grows stronger. The object grows, gains more mass, its gravitational pull gets stronger, and so on. Gravity works to continue to squeeze the object until it becomes spherical in shape. Through this process, stars and planets form (in fact, gravity is crucial to the formation of stars, as it compresses mass at the star’s centre to the point where fusion begins).

Gravity underpins the orbits of planets around stars and moons around planets. Without it, we would fly off the earth and the stars and planets would come apart.

This is a theory, detractors say, it is not a fact. It is a theory that can be tested – throw a ball into the air, and it comes back down to the ground. The best explanation for this? Gravity.

Lets take this to the extreme. There is evidence for the existence of black holes, including supermassive ones, including one at the heart of the Milky Way. Black holes are the end result of the relationship between mass, density and gravity. They are gravity gone wild. Our best explanations for their formation are due to gravity crushing matter to a single point, where nothing can escape its grip, even light itself.

Without gravity, how do planets form? How are stars powered?

Reasons for Denial

Why would it be necessary to conceal a flat earth from the public? To what end would such a conspiracy exist? I have read of the idea that a giant ice wall exists at the edges of the world, guarded by NASA (right, because NASA is a military organisation, oh wait…). I have read of plane pilots swearing to secrecy. I have read of many ways and means of hiding the ‘truth’ from the public. I have not read of a single explanation as to why. These undertakings would be monstrously expensive, and they would be on-going expenses, and all for what? There isn’t a satisfactory explanation for why this conspiracy exists.

The bottom line here? People speak of not accepting what the ‘establishment’ tells us, but sometimes the most straightforward answer is the correct one. Conspiracies for the sake of conspiracies are utter nonsense, and this is what the Flat Earth Theory is.

Religious Mentality

One of the great ironies of this thread is that the scientific method has come under attack as a ‘religious’ approach. Take for example this post by ‘darthbards’:

I think what we are dealing with here is pure ignorance and the round ball brigade unable to accept they’ve been barking up the wrong tree with this round nonsense.
They seem to have no understanding whatsoever regarding FE theory despite having it explained to them numerous times,often even repeating questions already answered.
Falling over the edge,lol,it’s near impossible,using their terrible human sight as proof,ignoring the lack of human perception. Some even explaining general relativity which has nothing to do with FE theory,while having no grasp of special relativity at all. I very much doubt they have ever studied FE theory themselves, and as we all know,it isn’t taught in school,so they need to do their own research. I very much doubt they have,or taken it beyond their own biased opinions. We have even had an alleged ‘teacher’ admit he forces his own views on our poor children, even admitting he tells them other extremely popular views like religion are myths,again forcing personal views on others. No wonder so many have such a closed mind and viewpoint. What a disgrace.

We are yet to be provided with any proof of gravity,big bangs,dark matter or dark energy. We are yet to see any unedited pictures of this fantastic round wonderment,yet have seen numerous edited versions.

Instead of complaining so much about what isn’t all the time,some need to hit the books,learn more beyond what we think we know. It might be scary that we have no idea what’s going on,but it sure beats the anger that develops through ignorance and brainwashing.

We live in an extremely corrupt world,we need to be careful what we are told to believe. Still not sure what theory is 100% correct,but I’d bet my bottom dollar it sure to hell isnt a big ball spinning round and round,hurtling through space.

Classic ‘let’s attack science’ mentality. Much of science is theory, but it’s theory that fits the facts, based on our observations and experiments. Gravity is the best explanation for the formation of stars and planets. It’s the best explanation for black holes. We have observed moons orbiting other planets and have been doing so for hundreds of years.

Gravity is critical to the formation of stars (as mentioned earlier) and it helps to drive processes that create the elements that make up, among other things, the building blocks of life. We know through spectral analysis what the composition of stars is, and we can infer from this the process that forms the elements within them. The gravity/density/pressure process is the best one we have for explaining supernovae and the spreading of advanced elements across the galaxy.

Religion under Attack?

Another user, ‘BrewSmackerVeiny’, made reference to posts buried within the nearly 90 pages of conversation as to why flat earth conspiracies exist – to deny the existence of God and to create an immoral society. Please note, I am not saying BSV supports this argument:

It’s been covered multiple times earlier in the thread, I realize it’s a long thread with a lot of long videos so It’s not unreasonable to not have found the answer on an older page, I’ll try and summarise what I have gleaned –
The general consensus for the reason would seem to be in order to make it appear as if there is no god, and by extension, no greater purpose for life, thus making people more interested in ‘living for the now'(An ideal consumer), and having no ‘post life consequences’ for actions they may consider otherwise immoral. If the Earth was flat and existed the way the FE theory claims then it would be abundantly clear that it had to have been created, thus people would be more inclined to seek out divine answers and higher meaning, and less inclined to focus on materialism and less willing to act immorally.
There may have been other reasons posited but this seems to be the main one.

This shouldn’t come as a surprise to me. Historically people who challenged established religious doctrine have come under fire. Galileo is but one example of the clash between religion and science, and so the arguments being made by darthbards and another user (who goes by the name ‘cannot’) are merely updated, pseudo-scientific versions of old arguments aimed at weakening science. ‘Think for yourself and don’t be brainwashed’ is their cry – yet their theories and pseudo-science can’t survive any meaningful scrutiny.

They are guilty of the Alternative Syllogism Fallacy – Theory A or Theory B – if not A, then B must win by default. It hardly matters to them if B is actually worse for explaining facts than A – if A is not perfect, we are, for some inexplicable reason, to proceed with B.

This sort of attitude is ultimately harmful to scientific progress. It is the sort of mentality that gives rise to anti-vaxxers and young earth creationists. It’s bad for our understanding of the world around us, and should always be opposed.

 

[darthbards]

As opposed to the subtle snide remarks and attacks on science as being a religious mentality?

I've put the following up on my website. http://meerkatmusings.co.uk/flat-earthers/

Over on Big Footy, I am following and participating in a thread that highlights the extent to which people are prepared to believe wild conspiracy theories. Namely that the world is flat. This would be amusing if it were not a tragic indictment of how damaging pseudo-science is.

The thread is indicative of the same problem that motivates anti-vaxxers – people will believe stuff that sounds vaguely scientific, but will ignore stuff that actually is scientific, because it’s hard. Let’s take a more detailed look at the flat-earth nonsense, and let’s consider a force called gravity.

Gravity is the theory that objects exert a pull on each other. Over time, two rocks in space will be attracted to one another, and will collide. This new object has more mass, and therefore its pull grows stronger. The object grows, gains more mass, its gravitational pull gets stronger, and so on. Gravity works to continue to squeeze the object until it becomes spherical in shape. Through this process, stars and planets form (in fact, gravity is crucial to the formation of stars, as it compresses mass at the star’s centre to the point where fusion begins).

Gravity underpins the orbits of planets around stars and moons around planets. Without it, we would fly off the earth and the stars and planets would come apart.

This is a theory, detractors say, it is not a fact. It is a theory that can be tested – throw a ball into the air, and it comes back down to the ground. The best explanation for this? Gravity.

Lets take this to the extreme. There is evidence for the existence of black holes, including supermassive ones, including one at the heart of the Milky Way. Black holes are the end result of the relationship between mass, density and gravity. They are gravity gone wild. Our best explanations for their formation are due to gravity crushing matter to a single point, where nothing can escape its grip, even light itself.

Without gravity, how do planets form? How are stars powered?

Reasons for Denial

Why would it be necessary to conceal a flat earth from the public? To what end would such a conspiracy exist? I have read of the idea that a giant ice wall exists at the edges of the world, guarded by NASA (right, because NASA is a military organisation, oh wait…). I have read of plane pilots swearing to secrecy. I have read of many ways and means of hiding the ‘truth’ from the public. I have not read of a single explanation as to why. These undertakings would be monstrously expensive, and they would be on-going expenses, and all for what? There isn’t a satisfactory explanation for why this conspiracy exists.

The bottom line here? People speak of not accepting what the ‘establishment’ tells us, but sometimes the most straightforward answer is the correct one. Conspiracies for the sake of conspiracies are utter nonsense, and this is what the Flat Earth Theory is.

Religious Mentality

One of the great ironies of this thread is that the scientific method has come under attack as a ‘religious’ approach. Take for example this post by ‘darthbards’:

I think what we are dealing with here is pure ignorance and the round ball brigade unable to accept they’ve been barking up the wrong tree with this round nonsense.
They seem to have no understanding whatsoever regarding FE theory despite having it explained to them numerous times,often even repeating questions already answered.
Falling over the edge,lol,it’s near impossible,using their terrible human sight as proof,ignoring the lack of human perception. Some even explaining general relativity which has nothing to do with FE theory,while having no grasp of special relativity at all. I very much doubt they have ever studied FE theory themselves, and as we all know,it isn’t taught in school,so they need to do their own research. I very much doubt they have,or taken it beyond their own biased opinions. We have even had an alleged ‘teacher’ admit he forces his own views on our poor children, even admitting he tells them other extremely popular views like religion are myths,again forcing personal views on others. No wonder so many have such a closed mind and viewpoint. What a disgrace.

We are yet to be provided with any proof of gravity,big bangs,dark matter or dark energy. We are yet to see any unedited pictures of this fantastic round wonderment,yet have seen numerous edited versions.

Instead of complaining so much about what isn’t all the time,some need to hit the books,learn more beyond what we think we know. It might be scary that we have no idea what’s going on,but it sure beats the anger that develops through ignorance and brainwashing.

We live in an extremely corrupt world,we need to be careful what we are told to believe. Still not sure what theory is 100% correct,but I’d bet my bottom dollar it sure to hell isnt a big ball spinning round and round,hurtling through space.

Classic ‘let’s attack science’ mentality. Much of science is theory, but it’s theory that fits the facts, based on our observations and experiments. Gravity is the best explanation for the formation of stars and planets. It’s the best explanation for black holes. We have observed moons orbiting other planets and have been doing so for hundreds of years.

Gravity is critical to the formation of stars (as mentioned earlier) and it helps to drive processes that create the elements that make up, among other things, the building blocks of life. We know through spectral analysis what the composition of stars is, and we can infer from this the process that forms the elements within them. The gravity/density/pressure process is the best one we have for explaining supernovae and the spreading of advanced elements across the galaxy.

Religion under Attack?

Another user, ‘BrewSmackerVeiny’, made reference to posts buried within the nearly 90 pages of conversation as to why flat earth conspiracies exist – to deny the existence of God and to create an immoral society. Please note, I am not saying BSV supports this argument:

It’s been covered multiple times earlier in the thread, I realize it’s a long thread with a lot of long videos so It’s not unreasonable to not have found the answer on an older page, I’ll try and summarise what I have gleaned –
The general consensus for the reason would seem to be in order to make it appear as if there is no god, and by extension, no greater purpose for life, thus making people more interested in ‘living for the now'(An ideal consumer), and having no ‘post life consequences’ for actions they may consider otherwise immoral. If the Earth was flat and existed the way the FE theory claims then it would be abundantly clear that it had to have been created, thus people would be more inclined to seek out divine answers and higher meaning, and less inclined to focus on materialism and less willing to act immorally.
There may have been other reasons posited but this seems to be the main one.

This shouldn’t come as a surprise to me. Historically people who challenged established religious doctrine have come under fire. Galileo is but one example of the clash between religion and science, and so the arguments being made by darthbards and another user (who goes by the name ‘cannot’) are merely updated, pseudo-scientific versions of old arguments aimed at weakening science. ‘Think for yourself and don’t be brainwashed’ is their cry – yet their theories and pseudo-science can’t survive any meaningful scrutiny.

They are guilty of the Alternative Syllogism Fallacy – Theory A or Theory B – if not A, then B must win by default. It hardly matters to them if B is actually worse for explaining facts than A – if A is not perfect, we are, for some inexplicable reason, to proceed with B.

This sort of attitude is ultimately harmful to scientific progress. It is the sort of mentality that gives rise to anti-vaxxers and young earth creationists. It’s bad for our understanding of the world around us, and should always be opposed.

Looks to me like it's the same people who troll and bash religious people over here to me. If people want to believe a different theory to you,just let them.

And how does any alternate theory effect science. People can study more than one theory at a time until we actually find the one that's correct.

It looks to me that some are just over sensitive to their theories being questioned while thinking it's perfectly fine to bash others before they can supply their own facts. Shouldn't you be busy putting together the pieces to the Big Bang theories. Sounds like your the one being destructive to science wasting your time commenting on things you dont have any interest in.

And your why is the reason being being hidden question has been answered. The answer was no idea. If you don't like that answer,to bad. Your theories have plenty of unanswered questions also.

Go start a big ball thread if you love it so much. The PE people have answered all the questions asked to the best of their ability. If you choose to not believe,good for you,and I support that. We're all free to make our own choices in what to believe and what not to.

So what are you trying to do now? Gather up an internet gang to come over here and try and force people to believe what you think everyone should believe? Yep that should work lol.
Or is your little gang hidden behind their little computer screens just going to offer that fearful retort of abuse. You think the FE people havnt heard that before.

If your so confident with your big ball what would you care what someone else thinks?

 

[katana]

Not in the science curriculum they don't.

yes well, maybe he exaggerated but i can assure you that they do at age 13.

Actually the question of 'why' is very important here, and your answer avoids the question. 'Why hide the truth' is a compelling argument against flat-earth nonsense, for no one has been able to answer this question to any satisfying degree.

because it's a dumb question.

 

[darth_timon]

Looks to me like it's the same people who troll and bash religious people over here to me. If people want to believe a different theory to you,just let them.

And how does any alternate theory effect science. People can study more than one theory at a time until we actually find the one that's correct.

It looks to me that some are just over sensitive to their theories being questioned while thinking it's perfectly fine to bash others before they can supply their own facts. Shouldn't you be busy putting together the pieces to the Big Bang theories. Sounds like your the one being destructive to science wasting your time commenting on things you dont have any interest in.

And your why is the reason being being hidden question has been answered. The answer was no idea. If you don't like that answer,to bad. Your theories have plenty of unanswered questions also.

Go start a big ball thread if you love it so much. The PE people have answered all the questions asked to the best of their ability. If you choose to not believe,good for you,and I support that. We're all free to make our own choices in what to believe and what not to.

So what are you trying to do now? Gather up an internet gang to come over here and try and force people to believe what you think everyone should believe? Yep that should work lol.
Or is your little gang hidden behind their little computer screens just going to offer that fearful retort of abuse. You think the FE people havnt heard that before.

If your so confident with your big ball what would you care what someone else thinks?

There's more to this than 'believing another theory'. This is about undermining scientific endeavour with vague pseudo-science like FE theory. It is a dead-end of a theory, rooted in religious beliefs rather than science, yet it is being insidiously injected as a scientific idea (much like creationism). It's then presented as an alternative to conventional science, attacking existing theories on the basis that theory A can't explain everything. Of course, FE explains far less, but that gets overlooked.

Your string of subtle Ad Hominens not withstanding, I invite you to address the actual content of what I wrote, instead of trying to evade it.

 

[darth_timon]

yes well, maybe he exaggerated but i can assure you that they do at age 13.


because it's a dumb question.

In what way?

 

[darth_timon]

what else thats important is this:

just cause you cant work out why, doesnt mean much

it just means you dont know

it certainly doesnt mean TPTB have not lied to you

or your daddy

Yet you cannot offer a single clue yourself as to why? Your entire point here is 'they lied because they wanted to'?

 

[darthbards]

There's more to this than 'believing another theory'. This is about undermining scientific endeavour with vague pseudo-science like FE theory. It is a dead-end of a theory, rooted in religious beliefs rather than science, yet it is being insidiously injected as a scientific idea (much like creationism). It's then presented as an alternative to conventional science, attacking existing theories on the basis that theory A can't explain everything. Of course, FE explains far less, but that gets overlooked.

Your string of subtle Ad Hominens not withstanding, I invite you to address the actual content of what I wrote, instead of trying to evade it.

Well don't bother yourself with it then, and pull your finger out and find this dark matter and big bang and leave others to believe whatever the heck they want to.

And where's this big gang your posting to,I want to tell those bozos to get their noses out of other people's business and journeys through life as well.

 

[darthbards]

Yet you cannot offer a single clue yourself as to why? Your entire point here is 'they lied because they wanted to'?

We told you why,we don't know. You don't even like the theory,so what would you care.

 

[darth_timon]

Well don't bother yourself with it then, and pull your finger out and find this dark matter and big bang and leave others to believe whatever the heck they want to.

And where's this big gang your posting to,I want to tell those bozos to get their noses out of other people's business and journeys through life as well.

You missed the part where I mentioned that pseudo-scientific nonsense like FE is harmful to genuine science. Perhaps you should heed your own advice and not refer to the scientific method as 'religious'.

 

[Total Power]

You missed the part where I mentioned that pseudo-scientific nonsense like FE is harmful to genuine science. Perhaps you should heed your own advice and not refer to the scientific method as 'religious'.

LOL i must admire your patience

 

[darth_timon]

We told you why,we don't know. You don't even like the theory,so what would you care.

So in other words you admit there is no valid reason you can think of to deny FE, only vague allusions. Thank you.

 

[darthbards]

You missed the part where I mentioned that pseudo-scientific nonsense like FE is harmful to genuine science. Perhaps you should heed your own advice and not refer to the scientific method as 'religious'.

And you obviously missed the part I said it doesn't effect scientific studies in other areas whatsoever. Your just wasting your time sticking your nose in other people's business.

And so what I think science is a religion,I never said I don't like religions. Having beliefs and faith in things is great. Don't tell me your getting your knickers in a knot over a simple word?
The more I see and hear science getting all antsy with the church and bible the more I just think it's an alternate religion,a different type of religion. It's just a word,meaning faith, belief,pursuit followed with great devotion. Sounds like a nice word to me.

And this big gang you showed us the post you were sending to, sure are taking their time.

And this vague allusion thing you've said in the next post,if you want to think that,good for you. No skin of my nose.
Like I said,I think the chances the earth is round is 30%. My ego couldn't care less if I'm 70% out. In fact I'd be happy if I am and we finally get some understanding of what's going on.
4% knowledge of the particles in our universe,I'm not making any wild predictions based on that or this Swiss cheese big bang theory.