Mega Thread The Flat Earth Mega thread.

[theyellowsash]

The flat earth was never the accepted belief. Most scientists among the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians etc - if I may use that term 'scientist' - most well-educated people knew the earth was a sphere - if they cared. Which, for the majority of folks, was the point - they didn't care. Their 'world' was too small to have any consequences relevant to whether the earth was round or flat. The concept of the Earth being finite at all would have been a massive leap for them.

The earth was recognised as a round object long before Jesuits or Christianity was even thought about.

i believe what people are thinking of is that the earth was considered to be at the center of the universe until copernicus in the 1700s or something

 

[JackOutback]

Now I don't know whether the Earth is flat round or convex but Where is the evidence of evolution and big bangs etc etc?

It's all there, ready for you to examine.* But some reject it either because they don't understand it or don't want to believe it for whatever reasons.

* Evolution and the Big Bang are theories, as any scientist will tell you. But they are theories that best explain the facts and no one yet has been able to prove a more reasonable explanation.

 

[NEGAN]

It's all there, ready for you to examine.* But some reject it either because they don't understand it or don't want to believe it for whatever reasons.

* Evolution and the Big Bang are theories, as any scientist will tell you. But they are theories that best explain the facts and no one yet has been able to prove a more reasonable explanation.

Hey hey hey bro

If you want to teach

your loved ones that they came from a nothingness bang which turned non living matter into living matter and then that living matter was able to reproduce itself ...that's your prerogative

You want to teach your loved ones their human existence is meaningless and will become nothingness that's your prerogative.

You want to tell your loved ones death is meaningless and we don't need funerals that's your prerogative.

Please let the rest of us who want to explore our options elsewhere the respect to do so.

And please dont force your faith down my throat, thanks.


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[JackOutback]

Scientific method and evidence as faith Welcome to 2018.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Scientific method and evidence as faith Welcome to 2018.

Absolutely....As all scientific knowledge claims depend upon the efficacy or otherwise of the human cognitive apparatus.....An apparatus which is pre-set & pre-determined by our designated nature's.

Stick that one in ya pipe & smoke it.

 

[theyellowsash]

Apparently coming up with a theory of the big bang and evolution based upon what we can observe and study doesn't hold as much scientific value as coming up with a story of a magical being who just existed somehow and used his/her/it's magic to pop everything into existence.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Apparently coming up with a theory of the big bang and evolution based upon what we can observe and study doesn't hold as much scientific value as coming up with a story of a magical being who just existed somehow and used his/her/it's magic to pop everything into existence.

Amazingly enough, they both share in the exact same existential grounds of credibility....Now fancy that....
in other words, both theories require a 'leap-of-faith' so to speak in order to believe either of them.

Life from non-life?.....Yeah, good-one Jimmae.

 

[Wallaby]

Life from non-life?.....Yeah, good-one Jimmae.

Yep - certainly happened. At least once. Still working on how - we may never know. It was a long time ago.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Yep - certainly happened. At least once. Still working on how - we may never know. It was a long time ago.

Methinks God might have a word or 2 to say about that.....Conscious awareness & organic life-force from inanimate matter?

You're asking us to believe a bigger miracle than the existence of God herself.

Certitude comes from the eternal being of a conscious spirit.

 

[theyellowsash]

Amazingly enough, they both share in the exact same existential grounds of credibility....Now fancy that....
in other words, both theories require a 'leap-of-faith' so to speak in order to believe either of them.

Life from non-life?.....Yeah, good-one Jimmae.

We can observe evolution, and have developed the theory of the big bang based on what we know of physics and what we can observe. The theory is also constantly being revised as new information comes about.

The basis of any religion is at best fairytales.

 

[Procrastinator35]

We can observe evolution, and have developed the theory of the big bang based on what we know of physics and what we can observe. The theory is also constantly being revised as new information comes about.

The basis of any religion is at best fairytales.

You are reliant upon conscious being & awareness in the first place in order to observe & extrapolate upon anything.

No consciousness with which to perceive the material world = No material world.

Welcome to philosophy 101.

 

[NEGAN]

There is nothing scientific about the big bang.

people have every right to claim or question whatever they want, that doesnt make it legitimate or scientific.

theyre idiots because they are going against thousands of years and the work of millions of independent and unrelated scientists who all prove the same conclusion. and its not even that because that in itself is fair, but its the reasons and the way they do it. FES says to science "wheres your proof the earth is round" and science produces innumerable studies and even photographs of the earth itself. FES then doesn't counter with alternative evidence, it simply claims its all a conspiracy and that the photos are fake. science then says well wheres your proof that the earth is flat and why all these things work when the science is based on everything we know, and FES just says we dunno but what you said sounds stupid, then produces a picture of the horizon and says 'there look flat'. the very basis of the flat earth argument is that everything is a lie or fake, even the stars themselves. that is not a legitimate basis for scientific argument.

going against common scientific knowledge with reasoned science and evidence is not stupid, but going against it without any evidence other than conspiracy theories, denial and slander is.

I don't know what you expect this is just the start of the movement. They don't have the funding or the influence that your scientist had.

The problem is with FE you have to find the specific people (the individual who are making the progress the research) to get their reasoning behind what they believe.

There are so many fes out there i agree some of the information that can be obtained is utter horseshit. The trick is to separate the good from the mad.



I have seen engineers scientist religious teachers piolets all in disbelief of this movement and what they have produced.

There was this one guy an engineer who was in utter disbelief he started making videos trying to debunk it. He used all his knowledge in physics but he just couldn't do it. Instead of debunking the flat Earth he ended up starting to debunk the heliocentric model.

He got massive 10k+ people plus watching his videos by time he hit his 3rd video and he was getting huge. One day a professor watching his videos did not like what he was doing and dobbed him in. Next day all his vids were pulled down and he vanished. So much for science questioning their beliefs. This is a true story.

 

[Boston tiger]

Hey hey hey bro

If you want to teach

your loved ones that they came from a nothingness bang which turned non living matter into living matter and then that living matter was able to reproduce itself ...that's your prerogative

You want to teach your loved ones their human existence is meaningless and will become nothingness that's your prerogative.

You want to tell your loved ones death is meaningless and we don't need funerals that's your prerogative.

Please let the rest of us who want to explore our options elsewhere the respect to do so.

And please dont force your faith down my throat, thanks.


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You don’t think God could have pulled off a “Big Bang”.
Science isn’t in competition with a Christian God.
Science deals with what happened after creation.
How God created is Gods business.

Evolution is just change it doesn’t make a creator null and void.

Your problem is your interpretation of the Bible not science.

 

[NEGAN]

You don’t think God could have pulled off a “Big Bang”.
Science isn’t in competition with a Christian God.
Science deals with what happened after creation.
How God created is Gods business.

Evolution is just change it doesn’t make a creator null and void.

Your problem is your interpretation of the Bible not science.

Hang on science doesn't believe in God. When talking science I cant use both god and science.

 

[theyellowsash]

You are reliant upon conscious being & awareness in the first place in order to observe & extrapolate upon anything.

No consciousness with which to perceive the material world = No material world.

Welcome to philosophy 101.

Ah philosophy. The human centric notion that if a human being isn't present to observe something, then it can't have happened.

But I would support your contention that to believe in religion you need to lack concious thought. What else could explain the belief that literally metaphorical stories are a factual account of the history of the entire universe.

 

[Boston tiger]

Hang on science doesn't believe in God. When talking science I cant use both god and science.

Why do you need to ?

 

[NEGAN]

Why do you need to ?

When talking about a scientific theory do I add god into the equation or what?

 

[Procrastinator35]

Ah philosophy. The human centric notion that if a human being isn't present to observe something, then it can't have happened.

But I would support your contention that to believe in religion you need to lack concious thought. What else could explain the belief that literally metaphorical stories are a factual account of the history of the entire universe.

Your ability to both comprehend & respond to my post says it all really.....Reaffirmation through denial....LOL.

 

[Boston tiger]

Hang on science doesn't believe in God. When talking science I cant use both god and science.

Science points us to God. The more amazing the universe the greater the homage to its creator

 

[Boston tiger]

Hang on science doesn't believe in God. When talking science I cant use both god and science.

Science is a glorious human discipline and a reflection of the love of our creator. I could go on all day.
Where are you getting your Christiananity because it sounds dodgy

 

[NEGAN]

Science points us to God. The more amazing the universe the greater the homage to its creator

What????

You're kidding right?

I agree with your premise but in no way shape or form does science include a god.

 

[NEGAN]

Science is a glorious human discipline and a reflection of the love of our creator. I could go on all day.
Where are you getting your Christiananity because it sounds dodgy

Mate if I am specifically talking about the big bang in a scientific sense I cannot add god to the equation.

Now you can say god created the big bang but it would no longer be in the realm of science.

 

[theyellowsash]

Your ability to both comprehend & respond to my post says it all really.....Reaffirmation through denial....LOL.

You can't use big words and philosophy to justify the fact that you believe magical beings pooped the universe I to existence through magic.

I am comfortable that while what I believe may not turn out to be 100% correct, it is at least a theory devised through learning and observation and is supported by evidence based on study and observation.

 

[Procrastinator35]

You can't use big words and philosophy to justify the fact that you believe magical beings pooped the universe I to existence through magic.

I am comfortable that while what I believe may not turn out to be 100% correct, it is at least a theory devised through learning and observation and is supported by evidence based on study and observation.

All life is magical.....The fact we are here, alive & conscious is magic in itself.

That people lose sight of this very simple, yet basic truth, has more to do with the fact that they are lost in a materialist illusion of their own making.

 

[theyellowsash]

All life is magical.....The fact we are here, alive & conscious is magic in itself.

That people lose sight of this very simple, yet basic truth, has more to do with the fact that they are lost in a materialist illusion of their own making.

Life and the universe is magical in a rhetorical sense, but in the end it is made up of a whole lot of things which we can study and understand. Understanding nature and the universe doesn't have to take away the wonder and magic of the universe, in fact it can increase the wonder in how incredible it is. However the feeling of magic and wonder of how the universe works is no basis for believing that it must have been created by actual magic.