Mega Thread The Former Player Thread: Part 2

[Punts]

Well it certainly doesn’t look like it off field with some of the instagram BS that you witness from the group so if it’s only an on field culture issue my advice to the group would be harden the @@@@ up be professional and do what you are paid for. The amount of legendary sports teams that had issues within but were a dominant force in their sport is a mile long.

Would of happened years ago

This group is shot mentally i don’t care what people say. Watch the Adelaide again

 

[Wheresbuddy]

I haven’t gone on the Carlton board but I would be pretty disappointed reading this if I was them.

I’d want the message from Ollie and Hayward to be about how excited they are to join Carlton and how they want to help make them contenders.

Instead the message is dripping with resentment towards Sydney. It would be like dating someone who keeps complaining about their ex, no thanks.

My take on this is the opposite.

They seem to be relieved to be at a club that wants them, to be playing together and with a few ex team mates. Both are of great character and will want to do their very best to repay the faith the Blues have shown in them. Indeed, Carlton even honoured the triggers in their old Swans contracts.

On the flip side, I don't really know much about Curnow and his character. For all we know, he could view us as a path into retirement by the sea where the weather is better and he gets to surf everyday. Definitely concerned at his presser when he was already alluding to the fact that his end is approaching.

I'm on the fence about all this but hoping it works out for us.

 

[The Blue Max]

I think we lacked (and still lack) a couple of genuine ‘bulls’.

We’ve never really recovered after losing the physical attributes of Goodes, Kennedy and Mumford.

 

[RedBloodBlackSwan]

My take on this is the opposite.

They seem to be relieved to be at a club that wants them, to be playing together and with a few ex team mates. Both are of great character and will want to do their very best to repay the faith the Blues have shown in them. Indeed, Carlton even honoured the triggers in their old Swans contracts.

On the flip side, I don't really know much about Curnow and his character. For all we know, he could view us as a path into retirement by the sea where the weather is better and he gets to surf everyday. Definitely concerned at his presser when he was already alluding to the fact that his end is approaching.

I'm on the fence about all this but hoping it works out for us.

I watched a longer video and it was better than the snippets I initially saw.

I still don’t think the snippets were great. I think the players could have been coached better on how to frame what they said.

As I Carlton supporter, I would not want players who were relieved to get to my club - I’d want players joining on a mission. But then again, Carlton was in a tough spot - it was either keep a player who wanted out, take in players who weren’t bashing down the door to leave their current club, or accept draft picks only and fall backwards.

I share some doubts about Curnow, though I personally didn’t mind him referencing the shortness of his career.

I hope Hayward, Florent and Curnow all do well. I hope it is a trade where we can look back and all clubs and players won.

 

[Callipygian]

I hold nothing against Will and Ollie. If anyone is in the wrong, it is the club. But really it's just the modern football industry in action.

The reason I say the club is in the wrong is because they are not honouring the contract that they signed. The club wooed Will & Ollie last year when they were being offered bigger bucks to go elsewhere, and Will and Ollie stuck phat on the implicit promise that we're on a journey together and they wanted to be part of it, and we wanted them to be part of it. 12 months on the situation changed and the contract became an inconvenience and so we have reneged.

People complain when players sign contracts and then want to leave. But players, at least sometimes (Merrett, Marshall, Papley, O'Keefe), get held to their contract. It (bizarrely) seems harder for a player to hold the club to its contract and the best example of that is Treloar because you got the sense that Adz strongly resisted being pushed out the door. He was armed with a contract but he lost anyway. Once the club seriously wants you gone it seems there's not much you can do.

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It has been hinted that James Rowbottom

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was also invited to go elsewhere and he resisted (evidently successfully). Who knows what truth there is in that and if it's true how/why he was able to resist. Clearly the club wasn't pushing as hard and I'm sure it's also relevant that there was not such a clear destination for him to go as with Will and Ollie. But, if it's true that we/the club tried to get him to go, that's another thing that can't be good for our culture.

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I'm not sold on Cox but I certainly don't blame him for everything. Cox is a first year coach that had a bunch of injuries to deal with, plus a lack of assistants. However he was well prepared and had served his apprenticeship and I think it was a reasonable transition - he was handling the coaching in the early part of pre-season anyway and the players knew him well so I don't think it was so difficult for the playing group to deal with except for the fact that they had an attachment to Horse and losing him would have been hard. He had also known that at some point Horse was due to handover to him but he said it "probably happened a year earlier than I expected" (as I recall).

 

[SydneyBlood]

Stop making sense

 

[rustycrate]

Spot on.

I also suspect that our biggest mistake was having little support for a rookie coach. At times it was obvious in games and it has apparently been identified, which is why we have added significantly to our coaches' ranks compared to last season.

A rookie coach. Sounds dumb.

 

[bedford]

Ben Paton likely to play at Albury Tigers

 

[bedford]

I believe Adam Goodes has become a father of 4 , i know the first 2 were girls

 

[Wolfgang West]

Ben Paton likely to play at Albury Tigers

Even with the injuries this year I can still not fathom how this bloke played Senior AFL Footy. Will be much better suited at this level.

 

[bedford]

Even with the injuries this year I can still not fathom how this bloke played Senior AFL Footy. Will be much better suited at this level.

He was good at VFL level and that's it

 

[Wolfgang West]

He was good at VFL level and that's it

You may watch more VFL than me so I will bow to your judgement but from what I witnessed at AFL Level he looked an ordinary VFL player at best. Anyway I am intending to do a few road trips next year to some O&M games so I will include an Albury game in my plans and give you an honest appraisal. To be honest the bloke has left me mentally scarred.

 

[bedford]

You may watch more VFL than me so I will bow to your judgement but from what I witnessed at AFL Level he looked an ordinary VFL player at best. Anyway I am intending to do a few road trips next year to some O&M games so I will include an Albury game in my plans and give you an honest appraisal. To be honest the bloke has left me mentally scarred.

Mentally scarred lol

 

[Adnico26Parker]

 

[Adnico26Parker]

 

[bedford]

Beat me by a minute lol

 

[McGowan3]

Huge effort

 

[Wolfgang West]

Huge effort

Shows what a freak of an athlete he has been. Most AFL Players that retire are kicking around in shit leagues getting a $5k appearance fee or sitting on the couch doing stuff all.

 

[McGowan3]

Shows what a freak of an athlete he has been. Most AFL Players that retire are kicking around in shit leagues getting a $5k appearance fee or sitting on the couch doing stuff all.

His dad was a hockey player who let himself go and became a very big unit so he may have that in mind. Shows good discipline. Great for his mental health as well.

 

[Wolfgang West]

Beat me by a minute lol

Interesting to know how people feel about this because Franklin shows one bit of acknowledgment that he once played at Hawthorn and still obviously has friends and connections there and it’s Oh ! Stuff Buddy He’s a Hawk !
Boo hoo ! So I guess stuff Ted he’s one of those cheating druggies ????

 

[tombomb]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pick-12-in-the-2008-afl-national-draft-lewis-johnston-on-his-10-game-career-across-two-clubs/news-story/e11bef335bd7f5a149e6ced05790d9f8

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. Talks about his brief career and some of the injuries he had. Just as my temperature was rising at the reminder of another wasted first round pick, they had a photo of him and Hannebery together—who we took in the second round.

Come draft day, Johnston was pretty certain that he was headed to Sydney, but hearing his name called in the first round was a shock.

“They told me if you’re available at pick 30, we’re happy to take you … but yeah, they took me at pick 12, so I wasn’t expecting that at all.”

If you’re into omens, Johnston’s start in the Harbour Sydney could easily be seen as a sign of what was to come.

“When I went over my first two weeks I got the flu, I was sick as anything,” Johnston remembers.

“Then I was meant to fly back [to Sydney] on the Sunday night and I got food poisoning on the Saturday after Christmas.

“After that, I settled in and then played round one in the VFL team then in round two, I broke my foot and missed the rest of the season.”

Johnston’s injury woes didn’t get much better after that.

“I had an issue with my toe in my second year and then my third year I did my ankle, it was a syndesmosis injury and I missed about 14 weeks and then when I was at the Crows I broke my leg in my second season, it was like up in the knee joint and then in my last season I snapped the tendon off my finger so had to get that reattached.”

And so, when 2008’s number 12 draft pick got the tap on the shoulder from the Crows at the end of 2014, Johnston wasn’t surprised.

 

[Callipygian]

Beat me by a minute lol

You must have caught him on an off day. Usually it's at least 20 minutes. He's untouchable.

 

[bedford]

Interesting to know how people feel about this because Franklin shows one bit of acknowledgment that he once played at Hawthorn and still obviously has friends and connections there and it’s Oh ! Stuff Buddy He’s a Hawk !
Boo hoo ! So I guess stuff Ted he’s one of those cheating druggies ????

Why are you replying to me , i didn't say anything about Bud

 

[bedford]

You must have caught him on an off day. Usually it's at least 20 minutes. He's untouchable.

Got him a couple of times lol , i really don't know how he does it , but i love the content he provides , not the bullshit like others

 

[joeykanga]

Interesting to know how people feel about this because Franklin shows one bit of acknowledgment that he once played at Hawthorn and still obviously has friends and connections there and it’s Oh ! Stuff Buddy He’s a Hawk !
Boo hoo ! So I guess stuff Ted he’s one of those cheating druggies ????

You're interested to know and then you state you know how they'll act. A bit confusing