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I've seen a lot of "he's just another player at another club" comments now. Whenever he does retire and stop playing AFL, will you say he is a Hawthorn great, a general great player, great Sydney player, a spud or something else?
 
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Further more, if he held the club in some regard we could of received compensation, instead he is a selfish, dirty stinking mercenary!
He is. What I find so amazing about the whole episode is how he managed to keep it to himself for a year. This horse-shit about only decided after the GF is his final deceit.
 
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Asking this as a general question, please ignore I'm a Sydney supporter.

I've seen a lot of "he's just another player at another club" comments now. Whenever he does retire and stop playing AFL, will you say he is a Hawthorn great, a general great player, great Sydney player, a spud or something else?
Can't predict the future.

But it has to be said that he has outstanding, freakish ability that may never be seen again in a player his size. A little inconsistent at times.

There has not ever been any big issues with his on-field game.......its the off-field one that has irked many.
 

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The sitdown interview with Mike Sheenan where he interviews Clarkson and Ross Lyon, he asks Clarko about the day Franklin told him that he was leaving and it was Tuesday after the Grand Final. Clarkson goes onto say that they both met up in America and Clarkson said that Franklin struggled living in Melbourne in 2012 and Clarkson said that if he was not happy living in Melbourne that the club would be okay with leaving and going interstate and they weren't going to stop or hold him back.

They showed the clip on FoxFooty before the Swans game... the whole interview will probably be shown before the game tomorrow I reckon
I can't believe we didn't trade him. Clarko knew he wanted to leave and supported him even though Franklin is one of the best players of the last 10 years. Says a lot about the kind of person Franklin is to dog a club with a coach like that. Makes me despise him even more.
 

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Asking this as a general question, please ignore I'm a Sydney supporter.

I've seen a lot of "he's just another player at another club" comments now. Whenever he does retire and stop playing AFL, will you say he is a Hawthorn great, a general great player, great Sydney player, a spud or something else?
He will no doubt be looked upon by us more favourably after he's retired. How favourably will depend on how things play out over the rest of his career. Every time he's part of a Sydney team that beats the Hawks in a game (and especially finals) he will be tarnishing his legacy as a Hawks great.
 

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Asking this as a general question, please ignore I'm a Sydney supporter.

I've seen a lot of "he's just another player at another club" comments now. Whenever he does retire and stop playing AFL, will you say he is a Hawthorn great, a general great player, great Sydney player, a spud or something else?
He's definitely not a Hawthorn great for mine.

To call him a great after how he treated the club would be disrespectful to other greats of the club who showed more loyalty in harder times.

That's just my opinion though. If he's a part of a Sydney side which beats Hawthorn in a Grand Final/Prelim then I imagine it'd be pretty hard to find any Hawthorn supporter with any truly positive feelings towards him.
 
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Asking this as a general question, please ignore I'm a Sydney supporter.

I've seen a lot of "he's just another player at another club" comments now. Whenever he does retire and stop playing AFL, will you say he is a Hawthorn great, a general great player, great Sydney player, a spud or something else?
For all the reasons that have been explained ad nauseam, I say he's a selfish c***
 
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Asking this as a general question, please ignore I'm a Sydney supporter.

I've seen a lot of "he's just another player at another club" comments now. Whenever he does retire and stop playing AFL, will you say he is a Hawthorn great, a general great player, great Sydney player, a spud or something else?

Buddy will retire in 2022 or when the $$$ run out.

We won't even remember his name by then.
 
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He will no doubt be looked upon by us more favourably after he's retired. How favourably will depend on how things play out over the rest of his career. Every time he's part of a Sydney team that beats the Hawks in a game (and especially finals) he will be tarnishing his legacy as a Hawks great.
Correct. Anyone who does Hawthorn over both on and off the field simply cannot be considered to be in the same pantheon as greats like Jason Dunstall who stuck with the club through thick and thin.
 
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Buddy will retire in 2022 or when the $$$ run out.

We won't even remember his name by then.
He has his contract for life now. No more negotiations or pressure to perform on that front.

He could have a renaissance year this year, then slip into fat Elvis mode next year.
 

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In 3, 5 or 10 years he'll be a nobody as far as I'm concerned. Much like jarman, whom I loved as a player and won a premiership, went to crows and played in more premierships. For me he remains more a crows player than a hawk. And since it's $ydney that just makes it worse.
 

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Asking this as a general question, please ignore I'm a Sydney supporter.

I've seen a lot of "he's just another player at another club" comments now. Whenever he does retire and stop playing AFL, will you say he is a Hawthorn great, a general great player, great Sydney player, a spud or something else?
An option you didn't provide .... just a player who no longer wanted Hawthorn so who cares what he does?
 

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In 3, 5 or 10 years he'll be a nobody as far as I'm concerned. Much like jarman, whom I loved as a player and won a premiership, went to crows and played in more premierships. For me he remains more a crows player than a hawk. And since it's $ydney that just makes it worse.
Not quite the same as Jarman. Franklin took the money and ran, he let the club down. Leaving Hawthorn was not Jarman's decision. His wife is the brains of their marriage and she wanted to go home so she could raise their kids with family around them. Jarman was happy to play for the Hawks, just as he was happy to go home. He just wanted to play football.

For those who don't know, it was Fudd's wife who got him to Hawthorn in the first place, so it was her decision to go home. Although disappointed, I could accept Jarman leaving as he left for all the right reasons. I will never forgive the reasons or the way Franklin left. He's just a Sydney boofhead so far as I'm concerned.
 
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..this guy has left behind a lot of bad blood with Hawks supporters...everytime I see him running around in that $hit outfit...I just turn the TV off..or turn the radio off when they discuss him...he's gone and no longer of interest..we got a broad bean for him whilst the $hits got a player that's kicking half their goals..and are our direct opposition for the flag this year...will take a loooong time for this heartburn to settle over how he left the Hawks....
 
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Asking this as a general question, please ignore I'm a Sydney supporter.

I've seen a lot of "he's just another player at another club" comments now. Whenever he does retire and stop playing AFL, will you say he is a Hawthorn great, a general great player, great Sydney player, a spud or something else?
On paper, a significant player.

However, when hes retired, as a person he is an ex sydney player, and shouldnt be part of the old boys network


I sense that with ablett to a bigger extent. Geelong offered him a lifetimes good fortune in geelong, he turned his back on that for $$$$
No doubt he will think he can return to geelong after and still tap int the other stuff. No way for mine, thats just greedy, as was Buddy Boots
 
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On paper, a significant player.

However, when hes retired, as a person he is an ex sydney player, and shouldnt be part of the old boys network


I sense that with ablett to a bigger extent. Geelong offered him a lifetimes good fortune in geelong, he turned his back on that for $$$$
No doubt he will think he can return to geelong after and still tap int the other stuff. No way for mine, thats just greedy, as was Buddy Boots
The Ablett defection has another couple of layers to it for me. If Ablett had stayed at the he would have arguably achieved even more success in a stronger side too - perhaps been a better more valuable player. Conceivably would have probably won flags and Brownlows too. By going for money, he denied himself that. And he also, more than likely, denied his former teammates further success by leaving.
 

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On paper, a significant player.

However, when hes retired, as a person he is an ex sydney player, and shouldnt be part of the old boys network


I sense that with ablett to a bigger extent. Geelong offered him a lifetimes good fortune in geelong, he turned his back on that for $$$$
No doubt he will think he can return to geelong after and still tap int the other stuff. No way for mine, thats just greedy, as was Buddy Boots
I actually think Ablett will always be welcome in Geelong. They love him and I don't think they ever booed him. I believe they actually applauded him at his first game back at Simmonds.

The key difference being that he left for a new challenge that was helping build a new club from the ground up and proving he could be a great player in a poor side rather than people just assuming he was a great player because he was in a great side. He got the big bucks but I personally don't believe that was his main motivator. He's also quite a private guy by the sounds of things so playing in QLD was always going to help him stay under the radar. Geelong were also looked after in the compensation department. They probably should've got more than they did but they did a hell of a lot better than we did.

I think Buddy leaving could've been a lot more palatable for us if he left under the same circumstances. If he'd gone to GWS to help them build and shown he was still capable of the freakish without having Mitchell, Hodge, Lewis, Burgoyne, Rioli, etc kicking it directly onto his tit 15 times a game. If he'd gone to live in Homebush to escape the limelight instead of becoming a *gag* "celebrity" in Bondi playing for a fellow contender that offers him nothing significantly different to what he was capable of getting at Hawthorn other than extra $$$.

What he's done is the equivalent of if Ablett had up and left at the end of 2010 and instead of signing with Gold Coast he signed with Hawthorn. Then Geelong fans would boo him for certain.
 

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For all the reasons that have been explained ad nauseam, I say he's a selfish c***
Correct assessment. Stabbed the club in the back, shafted the team and the supporters, can go **** himself mercenary money grub.
 

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Watching bits and pieces of him yesterday I am starting to move on, was gutted when he shafted us all but seeing him run around celebrating in a $ydney jumper with senior sitting up in the stands in a $wans scarf hit home what a tosser he is and we will be much better off without him in the long run, Hawthorn footy club was here along time before L Franklin and will be for a long time after, long live the brown and gold ....
 

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..this guy has left behind a lot of bad blood with Hawks supporters...everytime I see him running around in that $hit outfit...I just turn the TV off..or turn the radio off when they discuss him...he's gone and no longer of interest..we got a broad bean for him whilst the $hits got a player that's kicking half their goals..and are our direct opposition for the flag this year...will take a loooong time for this heartburn to settle over how he left the Hawks....
Easiest thing for me is to hope Hawthorn beat Sydney, or the times we might not win....... make it incredibly hard for them to win the week after by playing with intensity wearing them out.

I cross my fingers and hope that he never experiences a grand final win with the Swans.
 
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