The future of Australian Basketball feat. Thon Maker

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Sherrif, not only are you from the same locality as I am, seems we are pretty much the same Gen lol
Also, reading news.com.au the other day, you know hoops is starting to build up its popularity once again when 4 of the top stories are all basketball related (4 of 10 stories displayed on the front page) and one story gets displayed in the main news headlines and it’s about Fultz and the sixers no longer trusting the process


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If you went to watch the Perth Wildcats in the 90's like me it would make sense. People forget there was a time basketball was the most popular sport on tv. Ive pretty much kept following basketball despite travelling all over the place. Ive taken my nephew to some Wildcats games last year. Im definitely not alone in being exposed to basketball in the boom of the sport in Australia in the late 80's early 90's who have come back to the sport and watch Wildcats games with sons, daughters, nieces or nephews. The stadium was full of adults in their late 30's watching the game with kids.
 
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I might be more excited to have Thon if he was actually 21 and not 25
I can confirm your right. He's 25. I went to a barbecue a couple of weeks ago and meant a bloke who taught him 8 yearts ago at Armadale High School. Thon came up in conversation because I was talking to a friend of mine about who I though would win the nba this year. I said probably Golden State, but the Bucks could yet surprise.
 

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Bolden could be the big loser from the 76ers' trade for the Clippers' power forwards Tobias Harris and Mike Scott. Played 0 minutes in yesterday's game.
 
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Bolden could be big the loser from the 76ers' trade for the Clippers' power forwards Tobias Harris and Mike Scott. Played 0 minutes in yesterday's game.
Hope he can find a team to play regular minutes for. Kid looks the good for me, fits the Baynes mould in a way IMO, but could be even better
 

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Ben needs a FT jumper and better post moves, I honestly wouldn’t mind if he bulked up a bit and could start playing smallball 5 minutes for Philly.

Due to his skill athleticism and size he should be pretty good as a roll man for the likes of Exum, Mills, Ingles. I think he should be doing most of his work out of the high post, passing to Mills/Broekhoff/Green curling around screens or fake handoffs with guys like Exum Mills Green who are a threat to get to the cup.

I’m quite worried about Exum personally. I think he’s coming off the bench for mine regardless because Mills has to start and Green just has more size and shooting at the 2 right now. That being said I expect him to close games; if we can get Exum/Green/Ingles/Simmons/jumpshooting C lineup working I think we are by far the team best equipped to take down USA.
 

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Ben needs a FT jumper and better post moves, I honestly wouldn’t mind if he bulked up a bit and could start playing smallball 5 minutes for Philly.

Due to his skill athleticism and size he should be pretty good as a roll man for the likes of Exum, Mills, Ingles. I think he should be doing most of his work out of the high post, passing to Mills/Broekhoff/Green curling around screens or fake handoffs with guys like Exum Mills Green who are a threat to get to the cup.

I’m quite worried about Exum personally. I think he’s coming off the bench for mine regardless because Mills has to start and Green just has more size and shooting at the 2 right now. That being said I expect him to close games; if we can get Exum/Green/Ingles/Simmons/jumpshooting C lineup working I think we are by far the team best equipped to take down USA.
Green is miles away from regular courtime for the Boomers barring the most dramatic improvement in the next twelve months by any aussie player ever. Unless the above view is talking about a minimum of 2 or 3 years away then there's no chance he'll be playing big minutes when he's competing against nba level players for that court time. If you're referring to the next basketball event on the horizon the World Champs then at best he'll be the 12 man selected. If he is selected but rarely plays that would be a truly great effort considering he'll only be 19 (ben didnt make the team at 19) at the time of the World Champs and is competing against the likes of Adel, Cooks, Sobey and Goulding for a position on the squad.

Exum has consistently been one of the better players at getting to the hoop for players coming off the bench in the nba since coming back from the shoulder injury. He actually fits the description nicely of some of the players who have dominated at world champs level in terms of being a very good athlete with nba experience, but not a star. Milos Teodosic from the Clippers is widely considered a superstar at international level and he's averaging 4 points compared Exum's 7.4 this year. Like Telo Exum's game as a playmaker on limited minutes for Utah means its highly likely he'll star at international level. The nba reserve playmakers pretty much always are able to penetrate and dominate because of the fact the defence at international level, bar medal rounds always contains significantly less all round athleticism and size then nba level.

Ben's been lauded by pretty much every commentator for his improvement in his low post play. Including a mention in todays game against Lakers. Not sure what you are going about he's good enough to be one of the youngest all stars, but apparently according to you he needs to 'work' on things. Id recommend watching him play a bit. He doenst ever go to the high post and I mean ever. In half court sets he either receives the ball in a position to drive or in the low post after passing the ball off. Rubbish he needs a FT jumper to play at a high level. He shoots free throws at 60% which is far from a disaster considering the skill set he provides outside of that one skill.

Ill trust the judgment of Lebron and the Greek Freak who both wanted him on their all star squads. He's already playing at an exceptional level for such a young player. World Champs he will almost certainly dominate like few international players have in recent years. Just like nearly every nba all star international player has at pretty much every World Champs in recent memory. If you want to respond a bit of basic research wouldnt hurt.
 
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Ben needs a FT jumper and better post moves, I honestly wouldn’t mind if he bulked up a bit and could start playing smallball 5 minutes for Philly.

Due to his skill athleticism and size he should be pretty good as a roll man for the likes of Exum, Mills, Ingles. I think he should be doing most of his work out of the high post, passing to Mills/Broekhoff/Green curling around screens or fake handoffs with guys like Exum Mills Green who are a threat to get to the cup.

I’m quite worried about Exum personally. I think he’s coming off the bench for mine regardless because Mills has to start and Green just has more size and shooting at the 2 right now. That being said I expect him to close games; if we can get Exum/Green/Ingles/Simmons/jumpshooting C lineup working I think we are by far the team best equipped to take down USA.
I like Mills but I don’t think he’s starting ahead of Exum. Exums per 36 stats for the month leading up to his injury have been phenomenal. I heard on a jazz podcast (sorry can’t ember which one) somewhere that he was getting to the basket at a rate per possession that even had the GFreak beat. Nobody drives as much as him obviously but Exum is up there. On top of that, that last month of play his efficiency was Uber efficient and had him in elite circles.
Even Quinn has started coming around to him which was half the battle. Gotta believe that the Jazz, the same Jazz that wouldn’t give Up on Ex for Conley, know a little more than we do. He’ll be the Jazz’s starting pg barring injury. Might even end up happening this season.



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They would defs have mills in the starting 5 with Ben. Most likely playing a similar role to JJ. Prefer exum on the bench as it gives some size to match opposing guards/wings and some scoring. Not convinced that green would be selected for 2020 games, especially if we have other nba guards/wings. Would love it if he was selected, just for the experience alone. Either way it's fun thinking about this teams potential with plenty of spots up for grabs!
 
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I like Mills but I don’t think he’s starting ahead of Exum. Exums per 36 stats for the month leading up to his injury have been phenomenal. I heard on a jazz podcast (sorry can’t ember which one) somewhere that he was getting to the basket at a rate per possession that even had the GFreak beat. Nobody drives as much as him obviously but Exum is up there. On top of that, that last month of play his efficiency was Uber efficient and had him in elite circles.
Even Quinn has started coming around to him which was half the battle. Gotta believe that the Jazz, the same Jazz that wouldn’t give Up on Ex for Conley, know a little more than we do. He’ll be the Jazz’s starting pg barring injury. Might even end up happening this season.



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Important to remember even some of the top six ranked teams in the world like Serbia and Lithuania have less than five nba players on their roster.Non nba international players from European nations do play in quality leagues, but using Milos as a reference point again, he was widely considered the best playmaker in the world outside of the nba before he entered the league. Exum's playing better than him in his given court time this season.

I personally like the idea of a starting five full of speed. Mills, Exum, Ingles, (the exception to the speed rule) Bolden and Simmons. With Simmons playing powerforward in defence and operating in the post with half court sets. Having three genuine speed demons in Ben, Mills and Dante should allow us to score and lot of fast break point and also have a lot of steals in defence.
 
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Green is miles away from regular courtime for the Boomers barring the most dramatic improvement in the next twelve months by any aussie player ever. Unless the above view is talking about a minimum of 2 or 3 years away then there's no chance he'll be playing big minutes when he's competing against nba level players for that court time. If you're referring to the next basketball event on the horizon the World Champs then at best he'll be the 12 man selected. If he is selected but rarely plays that would be a truly great effort considering he'll only be 19 (ben didnt make the team at 19) at the time of the World Champs and is competing against the likes of Adel, Cooks, Sobey and Goulding for a position on the squad.

Exum has consistently been one of the better players at getting to the hoop for players coming off the bench in the nba since coming back from the shoulder injury. He actually fits the description nicely of some of the players who have dominated at world champs level in terms of being a very good athlete with nba experience, but not a star. Milos Teodosic from the Clippers is widely considered a superstar at international level and he's averaging 4 points compared Exum's 7.4 this year. Like Telo Exum's game as a playmaker on limited minutes for Utah means its highly likely he'll star at international level. The nba reserve playmakers pretty much always are able to penetrate and dominate because of the fact the defence at international level, bar medal rounds always contains significantly less all round athleticism and size then nba level.

Ben's been lauded by pretty much every commentator for his improvement in his low post play. Including a mention in todays game against Lakers. Not sure what you are going about he's good enough to be one of the youngest all stars, but apparently according to you he needs to 'work' on things. Id recommend watching him play a bit. He doenst ever go to the high post and I mean ever. In half court sets he either receives the ball in a position to drive or in the low post after passing the ball off. Rubbish he needs a FT jumper to play at a high level. He shoots free throws at 60% which is far from a disaster considering the skill set he provides outside of that one skill.

Ill trust the judgment of Lebron and the Greek Freak who both wanted him on their all star squads. He's already playing at an exceptional level for such a young player. World Champs he will almost certainly dominate like few international players have in recent years. Just like nearly every nba all star international player has at pretty much every World Champs in recent memory. If you want to respond a bit of basic research wouldnt hurt.
60% is not good enough for a guy who plays the way Simmons’ plays. He’s a guy who in his prime will probably shoot at least 10 FT a game.

And Simmons is not going to be posting up 6’6” wings in international basketball. NBA is going small and Ben plays in a lineup where he has Butler demanding the opponent’s best wing defender as well as Embiid demanding the opponents’ C, a lot of which would be playing the 4 in international basketball.

There will be more traditional fours in international basketball. The low post doesn’t make the best use of Ben’s superior speed and athleticism relative to basically anyone his size, and whilst he’s got great touch and skill in the paint his ability to get good post position consistently against stocky 6’9” PF is not something I’d rely on in international basketball. His strengths are his athleticism vision and finishing around the basket, and the Aussie team is a lot different to Philly who have multiple all stars on one team.

It’s important he develops a low post ability for his NBA team but right now he’s not a top 20 player in the game and certainly not good enough to be the best player on a silver medal contending team. Ben playing out of the high post and having that FT jumper opponents have to respect opens up the paint for Exum Ingles Green Broekhoff Mills to slash/cut and also opens up his own offence further as he can start incorporating those FT jumpers, pump fakes, fake handoffs into his game.

Apart from Ben we have some great guards we need to take advantage of to be a chance for Silver. You know that Patty Exum are athletic enough to get free curling around screens, why would you ditch that potentially ball movement based offence just to throw Ben in the low post.

I wouldn’t like to Ben receiving the ball on the perimeter much in international ball with his current skillset given there are no defensive 3 second violations and you’ll see a lot more traditional rim protectors camping under the rim ready to challenge Ben at the cup.

I think Green will have to be ready to come in and knock down shots and play passable defence because Ingles by 2020 won’t be able to play 40 minutes a night. He has the athletic profile to be a legitimate pest as a perimeter defender. You say he’s not ready but he’s ranked very highly by recruiters, sure there’s a LOT of competition at his spot but with his combination of skillset and athletic profile he’s probably got the potential to be a much bigger contributor than Deng Adel or Chris Goulding.

**** I can’t believe you think Ben will be anything more than a borderline all star every year without him either bulking up and playing small ball C and truly moving to low post based offence(which will never happen in the same team as Embiid and Butler) or without developing a fkin FT line jumper. It’s not that hard of a shot for anyone with touch and skill and Ben has been knocking down his FT at a better clip recently anyway.

Giannis is taking pull-up Js but also he’s much stronger than Ben right now which helps his low post game. If Ben doesn’t either bulk up or start taking and making Js he won’t ever be a top ten player.
 
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Important to remember even some of the top six ranked teams in the world like Serbia and Lithuania have less than five nba players on their roster.Non nba international players from European nations do play in quality leagues, but using Milos as a reference point again, he was widely considered the best playmaker in the world outside of the nba before he entered the league. Exum's playing better than him in his given court time this season.

I personally like the idea of a starting five full of speed. Mills, Exum, Ingles, (the exception to the speed rule) Bolden and Simmons. With Simmons playing powerforward in defence and operating in the post with half court sets. Having three genuine speed demons in Ben, Mills and Dante should allow us to score and lot of fast break point and also have a lot of steals in defence.
Big responsibility to Bolden to play C defensively in international ball, do you reckon he can do it? If he can it is huge, we’d be getting a lot of points off transition with that lineup
 

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I like Mills but I don’t think he’s starting ahead of Exum. Exums per 36 stats for the month leading up to his injury have been phenomenal. I heard on a jazz podcast (sorry can’t ember which one) somewhere that he was getting to the basket at a rate per possession that even had the GFreak beat. Nobody drives as much as him obviously but Exum is up there. On top of that, that last month of play his efficiency was Uber efficient and had him in elite circles.
Even Quinn has started coming around to him which was half the battle. Gotta believe that the Jazz, the same Jazz that wouldn’t give Up on Ex for Conley, know a little more than we do. He’ll be the Jazz’s starting pg barring injury. Might even end up happening this season.



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I hope so, I damn hope so. He does need to become a better off ball player to succeed next to Simmons unless Simmons develops a spectacular jumper though.
 
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I hope so, I damn hope so. He does need to become a better off ball player to succeed next to Simmons unless Simmons develops a spectacular jumper though.
Exum's already a good shooter whenever he gets his feet set at the deeper nba three point line, just not off the dribble. He's showed that he's off ball play has developed a heap whenever he's had the chance to play more minutes in games in this season, its just whenever his minutes are less his role is to play primarily onball. With Dante's athleticsim dont be surprised if he leads us in scoring. In the Aussie side only Ben's better at getting to the hoop, but Dante has shown he can hit open shots at a high clip in the thirty or so games ive seen in recent years. In the off season the Utah Jazz twitter feed they were talking about Dante hitting threes at a better rate than anyone in the team including Ingles during training drills. With the better looks he'll get at international ball we will be able to see more of his massively improved shot mechanics and three point stroke.

For what its worth I think its important to note Ben doesnt need to develop a jumper to dominate international ball. He's an nba all star. Decent nba players like Patty Mills dominate international ball, so Ben's a near certainty to dominate just like star Nba players the Gasol's have in recent events.
 
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60% is not good enough for a guy who plays the way Simmons’ plays. He’s a guy who in his prime will probably shoot at least 10 FT a game.

And Simmons is not going to be posting up 6’6” wings in international basketball. NBA is going small and Ben plays in a lineup where he has Butler demanding the opponent’s best wing defender as well as Embiid demanding the opponents’ C, a lot of which would be playing the 4 in international basketball.

There will be more traditional fours in international basketball. The low post doesn’t make the best use of Ben’s superior speed and athleticism relative to basically anyone his size, and whilst he’s got great touch and skill in the paint his ability to get good post position consistently against stocky 6’9” PF is not something I’d rely on in international basketball. His strengths are his athleticism vision and finishing around the basket, and the Aussie team is a lot different to Philly who have multiple all stars on one team.

It’s important he develops a low post ability for his NBA team but right now he’s not a top 20 player in the game and certainly not good enough to be the best player on a silver medal contending team. Ben playing out of the high post and having that FT jumper opponents have to respect opens up the paint for Exum Ingles Green Broekhoff Mills to slash/cut and also opens up his own offence further as he can start incorporating those FT jumpers, pump fakes, fake handoffs into his game.

Apart from Ben we have some great guards we need to take advantage of to be a chance for Silver. You know that Patty Exum are athletic enough to get free curling around screens, why would you ditch that potentially ball movement based offence just to throw Ben in the low post.

I wouldn’t like to Ben receiving the ball on the perimeter much in international ball with his current skillset given there are no defensive 3 second violations and you’ll see a lot more traditional rim protectors camping under the rim ready to challenge Ben at the cup.

I think Green will have to be ready to come in and knock down shots and play passable defence because Ingles by 2020 won’t be able to play 40 minutes a night. He has the athletic profile to be a legitimate pest as a perimeter defender. You say he’s not ready but he’s ranked very highly by recruiters, sure there’s a LOT of competition at his spot but with his combination of skillset and athletic profile he’s probably got the potential to be a much bigger contributor than Deng Adel or Chris Goulding.

**** I can’t believe you think Ben will be anything more than a borderline all star every year without him either bulking up and playing small ball C and truly moving to low post based offence(which will never happen in the same team as Embiid and Butler) or without developing a fkin FT line jumper. It’s not that hard of a shot for anyone with touch and skill and Ben has been knocking down his FT at a better clip recently anyway.

Giannis is taking pull-up Js but also he’s much stronger than Ben right now which helps his low post game. If Ben doesn’t either bulk up or start taking and making Js he won’t ever be a top ten player.
Captain obvious call. But this is one of the least informed post ive read on any online forum for any subject anywhere. If you think Green will be ready to go and play regular minutes then you break new ground in being clueless on aussie basketball. The kids highly rated (last I checked 12th in nation in terms of college prospects) for a player who's only just turned 18, but no where near where Ben was rated at the same age (ranked 1 0r 2 ) and Ben didnt even make the team when he was the age Josh will be a the World Champs. Ive followed the World Champs since 1990 and medal winning teams have had a handful of nba players, so its beyond very bizzare to not think an nba all star wont dominate.

You do realize at 22 Ben' was the youngest player selected by an nba superstar to play in the all star game before the late change of Russell. He plays for a successful team at nba level, yet you are saying he'll struggle at international level where decent nba players dominate. If you watch Ben play he finishes at the rim at one oft he highest efficiency rates of any player in the league. Im pretty sure he can handle any of the predominately slower moving (compared to the nba) Euro bigs. He also already plays a lot in the lost post in half court as Embid spends significant time on the perimetre. Im not saying he will be good in the post if he develops. Im saying he already is and I watch 70%ish of all his games. The needs to play small ball C doesnt even make sense. Magic Johnson describes him as potentially the next truly great point guard. Im pretty sure he's a better judge of playing ability than the above poster. To be fair its getting pretty hard to work out who knows more about Ben. LeBron, Gianiss, Magic or some random who's clearly never seen him play. Hang on a sec, no its not.
 
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Captain obvious call. But this is one of the least informed post ive read on any online forum for any subject anywhere. If you think Green will be ready to go and play regular minutes then you break new ground in being clueless on aussie basketball. The kids highly rated (last I checked 12th in nation in terms of college prospects) for a player who's only just turned 18, but no where near where Ben was rated at the same age (ranked 1 0r 2 ) and Ben didnt even make the team when he was the age Josh will be a the World Champs. Ive followed the World Champs since 1990 and medal winning teams have had a handful of nba players, so its beyond very bizzare to not think an nba all star wont dominate.

You do realize at 22 Ben' was the youngest player selected by an nba superstar to play in the all star game before the late change of Russell. He plays for a successful team at nba level, yet you are saying he'll struggle at international level where decent nba players dominate. If you watch Ben play he finishes at the rim at one oft he highest efficiency rates of any player in the league. Im pretty sure he can handle any of the predominately slower moving (compared to the nba) Euro bigs. He also already plays a lot in the lost post in half court as Embid spends significant time on the perimetre. Im not saying he will be good in the post if he develops. Im saying he already is and I watch 70%ish of all his games. The needs to play small ball C doesnt even make sense. Magic Johnson describes him as potentially the next truly great point guard. Im pretty sure he's a better judge of playing ability than the above poster. To be fair its getting pretty hard to work out who knows more about Ben. LeBron, Gianiss, Magic or some random who's clearly never seen him play. Hang on a sec, no its not.
Yeah it is a seriously odd take to be thinking Simmons is a problem ... and Green is going to be a solution.

I think the poster is seriously confused about the difference in standards between high school/NBA. This time next year, Green would be lucky to get minutes for an NBL team, let alone the National team. terrence ferguson is a relevant comparison and he averaged 4ppg in the NBL as a College freshman.

Green would need to make a massive leap to be even in contention of a spot at the 2020 olympics.

As for simmons, his style of play is absolutely perfect for international play and Australia finally has the depth to compliment his style. A serviceable jump shot would be great, but isnt necessary for him to be completely dominant.
 
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Good to see Landale and Mathiang selected along with Creek and Humphries for the final 2 WC qualifiers. No idea about their respective availabilities, but would've liked to have seen some of the other Europe based players like Xavier Cooks, Makur Maker and Duop Reath.
I particularly like Cooks, I hope they are keeping a tracking of him. Hopefully a smokey for the WC.

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