The future of the ABC - Guthrie sacked

[geelong_crazy26]

What do you want, flag waving Journo's like on Sky, or proper professionals who actually know how to ask questions. Remember the old 'righty' Piers Akerman, he was on the ABC for a while. More keen to push his own right wing bias than actually discuss anything rationally. That sort of 'Bolt' approach is not journalism. Its barrow pushing.

Could you imagine a Sky news 'journo' looking into the aged care sector, or banks, or indeed investigating anything in a forensic manner? Imagine Sky news investigating the QLD Petersen cabal in 1987 which showed how corrupt those conservative slags had become. Thats what started the rights attack on the ABC. Being found out.

No they're just shock jocks. That's & a cheer squad for the cons/right.

They moan about the left bias of the ABC all the time. Every review into the ABC shows its impartiality, yet the right still crap on with the tired, wrong, old grizzling BS.

The ABC has wide positive public support & confidence. The ABC serves the Australian public very well.

I think you don't understand that the ABC belongs to ALL AUSTRALIANS, this means it should represent the views of ALL AUSTRALIANS.

If you want an a left wing only media network its going to have to be a private media organisation.

 

[Hawk Dork]

I think you don't understand that the ABC belongs to ALL AUSTRALIANS, this means it should represent the views of ALL AUSTRALIANS.

If you want an a left wing only media network its going to have to be a private media organisation.

and if you want a right leaning media its not going to be Government owned

 

[geelong_crazy26]

No, white male privilege etc that is to me anyway a left notion.
Privilege give me a spell everything is might makes right and carve your own piece out of life. No one owes anyone anything.
I also reject any “white guilt for oppression of aboriginal population” - people can choose to help out with aboriginal disadvantage but those who don’t shouldn’t feel guilt or shame about not helping.

So with regards to social issues where is the line that someone crosses from just being on the right or far right ?

For example what about the following 3 are they just on the right or far right ?

Howard ?
Abbott ?
Trump ?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

and if you want a right leaning media its not going to be Government owned

I am not arguing for a right leaning ABC. I am arguing that the ABC staff should be roughly 50/50 left and right.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

But I’m talking about truth and integrity here, it could even be a left-leaning media mogul spreading this fabrication, perhaps ABC finds that anthropic climate change was invented by Scientists for left-leaning political purposes. Would the ABC have a responsibility to stop reporting anthropic climate change as the truth? Or given that X% of the population have been manipulated to think this is the truth, the ABC would have to continue to present this as the truth.

But the reality is that with regards to political topics people don't agree on what the truth is. What you think is the truth is no more valid than what I think is the truth.

I think you have been manipulated at some point, perhaps not by the ABC but by someone on the far left.

 

[Crankyhawk]

So with regards to social issues where is the line that someone crosses from just being on the right or far right ?

For example what about the following 3 are they just on the right or far right ?

Howard ?
Abbott ?
Trump ?

Trump is not far right, just a deceptive snake (more obviously than the average politician )
Abbott is nostalgic for the 1940s, froze Medicare and therefore people brought their gp type problems to the emergency department costing a lot more to the government (but it shifts the cost from federal to state). Seems to be a worshipper of coal and of sucking off murdoch. Far right.
Howard - gun control neither left nor right; anti multiculturalism in his younger days but not vocal about it when in charge. I would not class him as far right.

That said the key is to outline the various social issues and class the candidate as left, centrist or right depending on issue eg climate change, globalisation, freedom of movement, adherence to trickledown economic theory etc

And of course this is just the opinion of a moderate right winger at personal level but is also anti privatisation

 

[RupieDupie]

But the reality is that with regards to political topics people don't agree on what the truth is. What you think is the truth is no more valid than what I think is the truth.

I think you have been manipulated at some point, perhaps not by the ABC but by someone on the far left.

In a Simpsons episode, Lisa remarks that for a person to appreciate a particular musical piece they have to listen to the notes the musician is not playing (YouTube video below).

The truth of the matter is I’m reading the posts that you’re not posting here. The obvious one being that most people would agree that the news media has a responsibility to tell the truth. As you’re not stating this, you are actually revealing your true position.

 

[medusala]

Only your opinion re the worth of the various newspapers not facts.

Nope. Fairfax went broke. Independent stopped printing. Guardian losing money hand over fist.

The only reason Bolt and Piers were on the ABC was because they are right wingers. They took the seats of 2 actual journalists. They are not that.

They're whinging is a form of conservative action for right wing fcuk wits who can't succeed on merit.

The ABC not to mention the public service in general is full of people who cant succeed on merit in the real world.

 

[RupieDupie]

Nope. Fairfax went broke. Independent stopped printing. Guardian losing money hand over fist.



The ABC not to mention the public service in general is full of people who cant succeed on merit in the real world.

If only success in the real world was based on merit, and not based on thuggery and corruption (which is legally allowed for some people but not others).

 

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[Hawk Dork]

Nope. Fairfax went broke. Independent stopped printing. Guardian losing money hand over fist.



The ABC not to mention the public service in general is full of people who cant succeed on merit in the real world.

How much is the Australian making ?...lol
Why did the Libs hobble the NBN to stop Netflix from killing foxtel for uncle Rupert?

 

[CheapCharlie]

I don't know what the problem is in having the ABC split somewhat evenly between right and left wing journalists.

It's a problem the debate is even surrounding this.

The journalists of the ABC should be politically neutral.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Trump is not far right, just a deceptive snake (more obviously than the average politician )
Abbott is nostalgic for the 1940s, froze Medicare and therefore people brought their gp type problems to the emergency department costing a lot more to the government (but it shifts the cost from federal to state). Seems to be a worshipper of coal and of sucking off murdoch. Far right.
Howard - gun control neither left nor right; anti multiculturalism in his younger days but not vocal about it when in charge. I would not class him as far right.

That said the key is to outline the various social issues and class the candidate as left, centrist or right depending on issue eg climate change, globalisation, freedom of movement, adherence to trickledown economic theory etc

And of course this is just the opinion of a moderate right winger at personal level but is also anti privatisation

Who would you classify as far left ?

Given that you labelled Abbott as far right and he is popular with the liberal base this would make him more popular than the greens who basically stay at 10%.

Are the greens far left ?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

It's a problem the debate is even surrounding this.

The journalists of the ABC should be politically neutral.

Its just not a reality for people with an interest in politics to have no bias level at all especially when they appear on opinion shows.

 

[Leeda]

Its just not a reality for people with an interest in politics to have no bias level at all especially when they appear on opinion shows.

It's important to at least establish where you come from and so on and then you can say what you like. As long as it is proffered that you have a certain belief.

then you can dribble all you like about your beliefs. But also that you don't just dribble and then give no respect to your opposing visitors of a show
say like Q and A.. that drives me insane that it always appears one sided or at least doesn't want to hold a reasonable, and respectful discussion.

maybe I haven't seen it for a while but that is why.. everyone is too busy building a profile for themselves that they drop all niceties and 'bash' word fully
everyone else.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Its just not a reality for people with an interest in politics to have no bias level at all especially when they appear on opinion shows.

But the majority of Australians support gay marriage
The majority would want a fairer treatment of refugees
The majority of Australian believe in man made climate change
The majority of Australians would be pro abortion
The majority would be republicans
The majority of Australian trust the ABC
They reflect the majority view on most issues its just the majority view is not that of the RWNJ

 

[Procrastinator35]

But the majority of Australians support gay marriage
The majority would want a fairer treatment of refugees
The majority of Australian believe in man made climate change
The majority of Australians would be pro abortion
The majority would be republicans
The majority of Australian trust the ABC
They reflect the majority view on most issues its just the majority view is not that of the RWNJ

The 'majority view' is what Ruprect & his paid lackeys tell us it is.....That's the whole point of desiring a full-court, full-press media monopoly.

Ergo....That bad old left-leaning employee dictated, socialist, commie ABC.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Who would you classify as far left ?

Given that you labelled Abbott as far right and he is popular with the liberal base this would make him more popular than the greens who basically stay at 10%.

Are the greens far left ?

As I said it depends on the specific issue you are asking
- on climate change they are aligned with emission reduction so would put that as centre left
- open borders and no detention for refugees that is left (not hard left)

Hard left are the crazies I met at university who believe in differential pricing eg unemployed person pays 10c for coffee, Murdoch would pay $200 for same coffee

 

[Leeda]

The 'majority view' is what Ruprect & his paid lackeys tell us it is.....That's the whole point of desiring a full-court, full-press media monopoly.

Ergo....That bad old left-leaning employee dictated, socialist, commie ABC.

that is the reputation of the Abc that has delivered in so many ways. No matter how many comedy shows and pure and unbiased reporters around
the world you have showing different ideas, it is still a place that always opposes the govt. and even when the govt isn't the left hand writing the book
it still appears to be obviously opposing the one in power.
I'll leave that with u and you will shutter down and then come at me or else ignore me.. shutters up dude..
Never let it be said that I don't argue with a fellow supporter. I still live life in the real world too...

 

[Procrastinator35]

that is the reputation of the Abc that has delivered in so many ways. No matter how many comedy shows and pure and unbiased reporters around
the world you have showing different ideas, it is still a place that always opposes the govt. and even when the govt isn't the left hand writing the book
it still appears to be obviously opposing the one in power.
I'll leave that with u and you will shutter down and then come at me or else ignore me.. shutters up dude..

All the more reason for it's guaranteed future independence from government interference....What we need more than ever is a strong independent 4th estate, in the face of the onslaught from Murdoche inc, & his gathering assault on our Democracy from all directions....The bloke is a multi-nat stooge & cancer on Democracy itself, doing their dirty deeds here in Oz.

Blots article decrying Rudd's call for a full Royal Commission into media ownership in this country, is proof positive of what's going down here....That's the first good idea Rudd's had in a long, long while....And it's sorely needed.

The shackles need to be applied to this giant that's running amok & out of control pronto, in arresting his full take-over of this countries media, before it's too late....He's already corrupted our government & the Liberal party holus bolus.

 

[quotemokc]

But the majority of Australians support gay marriage
The majority would want a fairer treatment of refugees
The majority of Australian believe in man made climate change
The majority of Australians would be pro abortion
The majority would be republicans
The majority of Australian trust the ABC
They reflect the majority view on most issues its just the majority view is not that of the RWNJ

Some of those statements are very vague.

"Fairer treatment of refugees"

What does this mean, ideally we wouldn't have refugees and they could stay living in their own country.

Lets not pretend that left wing Hollywood doesn't have the same grasp on peoples minds that people claim Murdoch does.

 

[AM]

I think the journalism you enjoy is terrible. Difference is the ABC is owned by all Australians while newscorp is a private company.

I will repeat the ABC on all social issues takes a left wing point of view.

Yeah, we know you keep repeating it - over and over. Even after being shown to be an imposter you still post the same baseless unadulterated crap. Time after time you've been asked to provide something even remotely probative in relation to the ABC. All we get is look-over-here s**t or commentary not backed by a scintilla of evidence.

Your thought bubble that because the Dirty Digger owns Newcorpse he should be judged by entirely different standards to the ABC is Blot-like jackassery. Ipso facto, publish lies and distortions, recklessly inflame and mislead and misuse his empire to unscrupulously impose his warped and and unethical views on us through manipulation - particularly of governments.

Lets not forget this is the turd who illegally hacked phones, including that of a mother who had lost her child, lied about it until irrefutable evidence was produced, then blubbed crocodile tears at the inquiry following which he told his editorial staff he thought they'd done nothing wrong.

Because an enterprise is privately owned should not give it the right to lie, distort, manipulate, inflame et al. It's arrant nonsense to suggest they should not be held to the same high standards as public broadcasters.

We've seen through the behaviour of financial institutions, aged care operators, mining companies, food manufactures, retailers........I could go on, that you can't trust private companies. Greed and profit are their motivations not civic and social responsibility.

I'd love for the media ownership laws to change not only in terms of cross media ownership but in ensuring the accurate presentation of news and the fair presentation of views.

Who knows, even someone as confused as you might benefit. Nah! Too much to ask.

btw. Still waiting for evidence the ABC is biased. Waiting! Waiting!

 

[Leeda]

All the more reason for it's guaranteed future independence from government interference....What we need more than ever is a strong independent 4th estate, in the face of the onslaught from Murdoche inc, & his gathering assault on our Democracy from all directions....The bloke is a multi-nat stooge & cancer on Democracy itself, doing their dirty deeds here in Oz.

Blots article decrying Rudd's call for a full Royal Commission into media ownership in this country, is proof positive of what's going down here....That's the first good idea Rudd's had in a long, long while....And it's sorely needed.

The shackles need to be applied to this giant that's running amok & out of control pronto, in arresting his full take-over of this countries media, before it's too late....He's already corrupted our government & the Liberal party holus bolus.

very nicely said. I agree not wholeheartedly but that it goes against my grain that someone does their best to demean democracy and that is what it is,
to allow them to allow their media conglomeration to be party to political dynamics and well we know what Fox sells.

this is an ongoing theme and I have yet to establish my thoughts about this.. carry on.. Rudd's influence is something I can't say I espouse either.

 

[medusala]

How much is the Australian making ?...lol
Why did the Libs hobble the NBN to stop Netflix from killing foxtel for uncle Rupert?

Oz gets subsidised by tabloids. Thats his model. Thats why his quality papers are so good.

NBN is and always was a joke. Up there with desal plant as worst public policy decision of the last couple of decades.

 

[madmug]

I think you don't understand that the ABC belongs to ALL AUSTRALIANS, this means it should represent the views of ALL AUSTRALIANS.

If you want an a left wing only media network its going to have to be a private media organisation.

I don't think you understand, nor want to. The ABC does journalism. Not flag waving or barrow pushing. Look at the many reviews of the ABC. It is not biased. It asks questions. Partisan politicians don't like that.

Unlike a lot of other national broadcasters around the world, it is NOT a mouth piece for Government. AND thank FK for that.