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Bloody hell. I think Hendricks knocks him for 6 in this one. I don't rate brown whatsoever and he was flattered by lawler not wanting to risk his title shot too much. Now he's a shoe in to get the shot and Rory will have to wait further. I should be Lombard vs brown, Hendricks vs Rory.
Who has ever knocked Brown for 6? The only times I can think of him being rocked were in the Silva fight with the body kicks and the fight against Wonderboy. If Hendricks makes it a striking match, I think this could be a fight of the year candidate as both guys can crack and have great chins.
 

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Who has ever knocked Brown for 6? The only times I can think of him being rocked were in the Silva fight with the body kicks and the fight against Wonderboy. If Hendricks makes it a striking match, I think this could be a fight of the year candidate as both guys can crack and have great chins.
Look at the quality of opponents brown has fought...last a round against silva and he'll gas. Lawler was never in danger. Against higher calibre opponents brown will be terribly exposed
 
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Look at the quality of opponents brown has fought...last a round against silva and he'll gas. Lawler was never in danger. Against higher calibre opponents brown will be terribly exposed
Like Lawler? Sure, he was beaten but both guys had their moments and considering how Lawler has looked against pretty much everyone since he returned to 170 that's a pretty decent accomplishment. He also outstruck Jordan Mein and John Howard, murdered Mike Pyle and is the only man with a win over Thompson in a fight that took place mostly on the feet. His record is littered with bad losses and some lesser names, but he's legit and I think he'll prove that when he fights Hendricks.

Anyway, my point isn't that I think Brown will win, more that I have serious doubts that Hendricks will KO him with ease. Brown has been outpointed and submitted plenty of times, but his chin and toughness will likely be the last things that let him down.
 

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There's a massive difference between lawler looking for a title shot vs lawler playing conservatively knowing full well he's got the win and a shot at the champ. The win against Thompson was nothing special. He was a newcomer and had never been pressured by an experienced fighter before. Brown has fought 1 guy in the top 10 and never looked like winning.

Depends if it's a Hendricks with a point to prove or a Hendricks playing for points. Brown has a good chin and he relies upon that (often leaving openings with his reckless style) if he leaves openings against Hendricks he'll be back to fighting 10-20 ranked guys and getting fights because he's exciting. Modern day lytle
 
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There's a massive difference between lawler looking for a title shot vs lawler playing conservatively knowing full well he's got the win and a shot at the champ. The win against Thompson was nothing special. He was a newcomer and had never been pressured by an experienced fighter before. Brown has fought 1 guy in the top 10 and never looked like winning.
Lawler was being conservative while landing over 80 significant strikes? Both guys landed brutal shots in that fight and while the pace slowed in the middle rounds, it had nothing to do with being conservative on either man's behalf. What that fight proved is that Brown can hang with not only a top 10 guy but a guy good enough to hold a title. Personally, I thought going in to it that Lawler would be the first man to stop him by KO, but Brown stood strong with a guy regarded as one of the heaviest hitters in the division and held his own.

Depends if it's a Hendricks with a point to prove or a Hendricks playing for points. Brown has a good chin and he relies upon that (often leaving openings with his reckless style) if he leaves openings against Hendricks he'll be back to fighting 10-20 ranked guys and getting fights because he's exciting. Modern day lytle
Name me a fighter who doesn't leave openings. Brown isn't nearly as reckless as people seem to think he is... he's a precision striker with an amazingly good clinch game who is in the process of refining his grappling game. A guy with a great sub game is probably still his weakness, but that ain't Hendricks. Johnny I believe should be able to win comfortably using his wrestling, but if he employs the same strategy as either fight against Lawler I think Brown will give him hell.
 

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Lawler was being conservative while landing over 80 significant strikes? Both guys landed brutal shots in that fight and while the pace slowed in the middle rounds, it had nothing to do with being conservative on either man's behalf. What that fight proved is that Brown can hang with not only a top 10 guy but a guy good enough to hold a title. Personally, I thought going in to it that Lawler would be the first man to stop him by KO, but Brown stood strong with a guy regarded as one of the heaviest hitters in the division and held his own.



Name me a fighter who doesn't leave openings. Brown isn't nearly as reckless as people seem to think he is... he's a precision striker with an amazingly good clinch game who is in the process of refining his grappling game. A guy with a great sub game is probably still his weakness, but that ain't Hendricks. Johnny I believe should be able to win comfortably using his wrestling, but if he employs the same strategy as either fight against Lawler I think Brown will give him hell.
You just proved my point. In the first fight against Hendricks Lawler had 150 significant strikes, in the second 116 (even with Hendricks using his wall and stall tactic). So yes if he has 80 significant fights in a 5 round stand up fight he was conservative. He did enough to win and it's what most fighters do when they know a title shot is next. Hendricks did it against condit.

At the end of the day he's fought one top 10 fighter and lost. Beat a silva that came in with non-existent cardio, wonder kid after his second ufc fight and not much else. He's blue collar with good cardio and a good chin. The good thing for brown is johny knows he's next in line so he'll do just enough just like lawler did. If he wasn't in line and needed to make a statement it'd be Fitch and the hitman for brown
 
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You just proved my point. In the first fight against Hendricks Lawler had 150 significant strikes, in the second 116 (even with Hendricks using his wall and stall tactic). So yes if he has 80 significant fights in a 5 round stand up fight he was conservative. He did enough to win and it's what most fighters do when they know a title shot is next. Hendricks did it against condit.
Hendricks took the Condit fight easy? He nearly decapitated him in the first round and then had to rely on his wrestling when Condit came roaring back.... hardly taking it easy. Also, there was only a 46 strike output difference between Lawler's second fight against Hendricks and his fight with Brown... roughly 9 per round or 1.8 per minute. That one extra strike per 35 or so seconds (that based on percentages from the fights probably wouldn't have landed anyway) makes the difference between fighting conservatively and winning a title while going for it?
 

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Hendricks took the Condit fight easy? He nearly decapitated him in the first round and then had to rely on his wrestling when Condit came roaring back.... hardly taking it easy. Also, there was only a 46 strike output difference between Lawler's second fight against Hendricks and his fight with Brown... roughly 9 per round or 1.8 per minute. That one extra strike per 35 or so seconds (that based on percentages from the fights probably wouldn't have landed anyway) makes the difference between fighting conservatively and winning a title while going for it?
Was brown laying on lawler like Hendricks was? It's a weak point because Hendricks was trying for a take down for large parts (especially in the fourth and fifth rounds). Lawler was unable to punch because for most of it he was trying not to be taken down.

My point is whilst a goer brown is just not good enough. He shouldn't even be in the top 10 considering he's never beaten someone in side it. Beating #26 #24 and #15 should not have got him a fight with lawler.
 

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Was brown laying on lawler like Hendricks was? It's a weak point because Hendricks was trying for a take down for large parts (especially in the fourth and fifth rounds). Lawler was unable to punch because for most of it he was trying not to be taken down.
Rounds 4 and 5 saw Lawler land over 60 significant strikes and throw more than 100, both figures which were well up from the previous 3 rounds. The rounds you are claiming effected Lawler's output were actually his best consecutive rounds statistically and were vital in winning him the title. Was he just taking it easy in the second and third rounds when he let Hendricks tee off on him? If yes, what was he fighting conservatively to protect?

My point is whilst a goer brown is just not good enough. He shouldn't even be in the top 10 considering he's never beaten someone in side it. Beating #26 #24 and #15 should not have got him a fight with lawler.
Brown is not good enough for what? To win a title? No shame in that... there have been a number of great fighters who never got to win a strap.

If Brown's not good enough for the top 10, can you please show me your rankings? I'd be very interested to see who you have in there in place of him.
 

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There's no way that happens, Dana is just being a prick. It's obvious that the UFC don't like Rory too much, but hey won't bump Kelvin above him, particularly when they can have Rory fight for the title in front of a packed Canadian crowd. My guess is that Dana is just building Kelvin's brand.
I think it's huge for the UFC to do exactly that with their push in to Mexico and Cain's injury worries. I don't think a win over Woodley (who Rory has already dominated and been passed over for a shot) gets him a crack at the champ, but it likely puts him in a title eliminator type of fight later in the year.
 

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Rounds 4 and 5 saw Lawler land over 60 significant strikes and throw more than 100, both figures which were well up from the previous 3 rounds. The rounds you are claiming effected Lawler's output were actually his best consecutive rounds statistically and were vital in winning him the title. Was he just taking it easy in the second and third rounds when he let Hendricks tee off on him? If yes, what was he fighting conservatively to protect?



Brown is not good enough for what? To win a title? No shame in that... there have been a number of great fighters who never got to win a strap.

If Brown's not good enough for the top 10, can you please show me your rankings? I'd be very interested to see who you have in there in place of him.
My point was Brown vs Lawler. How many take downs did Brown go for? Explain the massive discrepancy between a brown/lawler vs lawler/hendricks. 80 vs 116 and 150 is a lot. Especially when #1 brown doesn't have the knockout power Hendricks has (therefore can throw more) and #2 Lawler doesn't have to fear the take down when fighting Brown.

When did I ever say there was a shame in it? Not once. My point was he can't hang with Hendricks...as in 10 times out of 10 Hendricks wins. Of course plenty of great fighters have never won a belt...once again I never argued that. So you think he should be in the top 10? Surely you'd have to beat a top 10 fighter to warrant a spot inside of it?!

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I think every fighter in that list beats Matt Brown. Outside of that Nelson takes him down and submits him, Saffiedine out strikes him.

I think his range is the Burkman's, Thatch (up and comer. Good fight in my opinion), Ellenberger, Magny and Alves.

Good thing for Brown is a likes to bang and can give exciting fights. UFC likes money so they are more likely to push Brown's worth
 

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There's no way that happens, Dana is just being a prick. It's obvious that the UFC don't like Rory too much, but hey won't bump Kelvin above him, particularly when they can have Rory fight for the title in front of a packed Canadian crowd. My guess is that Dana is just building Kelvin's brand.
that'd be an absolute joke. Dana needs Kelvin because then they can say he's a product of the ultimate fighter. They'll plug that for all its worth. Kelvin is a machine though. Look forward to seeing what he can become. Amazing that he's had no drop off dropping a division. Just looks like more of a monster.

Not sure what else Rory needs to do. Line em up and hell beat them.
 

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I think Both Brown and the Wonderboy Thompson are being severely underrated here. Thompson's standup credentials are impeccable. A stand up war with him and Rory, or even Saffiedine would be a thing of beauty. Brown's also as gritty as they come, almost a carbon copy of Lawler in gritty toughness. I think Hendricks will stand for a while but then get bored and put him on the floor for a the last round or 2. Brown's TDD won't be as good as Lawler's was.
 

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I think Both Brown and the Wonderboy Thompson are being severely underrated here. Thompson's standup credentials are impeccable. A stand up war with him and Rory, or even Saffiedine would be a thing of beauty. Brown's also as gritty as they come, almost a carbon copy of Lawler in gritty toughness. I think Hendricks will stand for a while but then get bored and put him on the floor for a the last round or 2. Brown's TDD won't be as good as Lawler's was.
Wonderboy is good, his stand up excellent but just needs more training in other parts. I think Thatch will beat him. Going to be a ripper.
 
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Brown's TDD won't be as good as Lawler's was.
Probably not, but it has improved a lot over the last few years and should be on a much higher level than Condit's was when he fought Hendricks. If he can have the same sort of success standing that Carlos did, this could be a belter. The biggest factor in Hendricks' favour that I see in this fight is that it's only a 3 rounder. Given 5 rounds, I think Brown could outlast him but with only three I think Johnny will be able to take a decision.
 

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Probably not, but it has improved a lot over the last few years and should be on a much higher level than Condit's was when he fought Hendricks. If he can have the same sort of success standing that Carlos did, this could be a belter. The biggest factor in Hendricks' favour that I see in this fight is that it's only a 3 rounder. Given 5 rounds, I think Brown could outlast him but with only three I think Johnny will be able to take a decision.
Without doubt. The highly regarded Dolce diet didn't do Johnny any favours against Lawler. Brown's take down defence has improved a lot but it would be interesting to see if round 4 + 5 Johnny (that was knackered against Lawler) could take down Brown.
 

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Everyone obviously wants to fight McGregor because of the pay day he'll bring.

I enjoyed Conor's comments regarding his 5 year plan. Defend the belt once, move up to 155 and try and win that.

Don't like that he turned his back on Dethrone. 'Stay Ready' was good and much better than being with Reebok. I understand he wants to make his money and run while he can but still...
 

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Everyone obviously wants to fight McGregor because of the pay day he'll bring.

I enjoyed Conor's comments regarding his 5 year plan. Defend the belt once, move up to 155 and try and win that.

Don't like that he turned his back on Dethrone. 'Stay Ready' was good and much better than being with Reebok. I understand he wants to make his money and run while he can but still...
pretty sure that the ufc (ie// dana, larenzo and frank) would have forced/influenced his decision. he would make more money than 99% of ufc fighters, so he wouldnt care...

this whole clothing deal is why there needs to be a union.... the fact that the low grade fighters, the fighters that really struggle to get sponsers will do better, and, fighters that are in the upper echelon will do much better , but fighters in the middle will be screwed is absolute bullshit.


u only have to look at nate diaz' pay check from his recent fight to understand the discrepency that is in place. u have a fighter that, while he doesnt premote fights along the same lines as conor, he is a "needle pusher", as dana would say. how he can take home less than 20 grand before taxes and camp costs is remarkable.. i think mma is a very selfish sport, which works against all fighters because they would be a hell of alot better off if they banded together,

its a joke.. there is a hell of alot money to be made in mma but it seems only zuffa is making bank.

i cant see zuffa owning the ufc in 5 years, due to the way they run there buisness. The ufc will be much like the nba and nfl, in terms of employee rights in the near future.

id recommend anyone to read luke thomas' piece on it on mmafighting.com

while he doesnt take issue with the union per se, he points out the difference between an employee (which ufc fighters should be), and independent contractors (which ufc fighters are)
 

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pretty sure that the ufc (ie// dana, larenzo and frank) would have forced/influenced his decision. he would make more money than 99% of ufc fighters, so he wouldnt care...

this whole clothing deal is why there needs to be a union.... the fact that the low grade fighters, the fighters that really struggle to get sponsers will do better, and, fighters that are in the upper echelon will do much better , but fighters in the middle will be screwed is absolute bullshit.


u only have to look at nate diaz' pay check from his recent fight to understand the discrepency that is in place. u have a fighter that, while he doesnt premote fights along the same lines as conor, he is a "needle pusher", as dana would say. how he can take home less than 20 grand before taxes and camp costs is remarkable.. i think mma is a very selfish sport, which works against all fighters because they would be a hell of alot better off if they banded together,

its a joke.. there is a hell of alot money to be made in mma but it seems only zuffa is making bank.

i cant see zuffa owning the ufc in 5 years, due to the way they run there buisness. The ufc will be much like the nba and nfl, in terms of employee rights in the near future.

id recommend anyone to read luke thomas' piece on it on mmafighting.com

while he doesnt take issue with the union per se, he points out the difference between an employee (which ufc fighters should be), and independent contractors (which ufc fighters are)
Agreed. The pay discrepancies aRe shocking. Not only that, even the top earners get paid little in comparison to other high end athletes. I read an articles the other day saying gsp and Bisping are the top earners overall with approx 4 million in wages throughout their career. I know that doesn't take into account sponsors and what not. Even Fitch commented before his fight against silva that he was struggling financially. How can a top welterweight struggle that badly.

Dana's net worth is around $300 million...not much discrepancy there :rolleyes:

It really does seem like you need a fight of the night performance to get by. Fair enough if you could work a job like you could back in the day but the level of competition is too high for that now. If you are injured you're stuffed. Cruz said he'd struggle financially if he didn't have media work to aid through his recovery
 

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Miguel Torres lost a kickboxing fight because he get a Jones style kick to the knee and it blew out. Not pretty to watch. Torres was one of my favourite fighters back in the day, it sucks to see this happen to him and possibly end his fighting career that way.
 
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