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Did you see his explanation on Helwani?Izzy wasnt even looking at Periera anymore, he was out on his feet.
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Did you see his explanation on Helwani?Izzy wasnt even looking at Periera anymore, he was out on his feet.
No if you wanna tldr it go ahead but I'm not wasting 45 mins on Izzy excuses.Did you see his explanation on Helwani?
… he actually didn’t make any. I’m not trying to convince you or anyone else here but I thought it made sense. Basically said he was rocked but was watching feet and hips and trying to stay active to recover, as soon as the fight was called he popped up to say he was fine. He didn’t criticize the stoppage, said Goddard is a great ref but felt like he deserved more time, also made the point that Goddard reffed the Gastelum fight and didn’t stop it after Kelvin was knocked down 4 times.No if you wanna tldr it go ahead but I'm not wasting 45 mins on Izzy excuses.
Izzy fights to his own technique quite a bit of the time.The only thing that was early about it was Izzy got to walk out of the ring instead of being carried out. If there's a boxing coach on earth that tells me that defending with your head down swaying side to side is proper technique then I'll retract but it's not.
Izzy has never defended against the fence like that before, I'm not sure how watching the hips helps when Alexs hook can shut you off with very little loading
Yeh, again, nobody is saying bad stoppage but he absolutely doesn’t fall over, he’s still on his feet and watching the stuff you just posted he slips the second last punch (more by luck than design to be fair). He’s obviously rocked, he said that himself but he doesn’t get knocked down and as soon as Goddard steps in he stands bolt upright to protest the stoppage very clearly lucid.The bloke falls over and stops defending himself. It's as clear as any stoppage
He literally stumbles over and goes down on his hand, gets up and doesn't return fire. Goddard tells him to fight back he doesn't. Izzy's explanation is irrelevant, to me he's completely cooked there and he's lucky he was savedYeh, again, nobody is saying bad stoppage but he absolutely doesn’t fall over, he’s still on his feet and watching the stuff you just posted he slips the second last punch (more by luck than design to be fair). He’s obviously rocked, he said that himself but he doesn’t get knocked down and as soon as Goddard steps in he stands bolt upright to protest the stoppage very clearly lucid.
Fair, I think it’s reasonable to give him a bit more time. I’m not even sure the stumble is considered a knock down?He literally stumbles over and goes down on his hand, gets up and doesn't return fire. Goddard tells him to fight back he doesn't. Izzy's explanation is irrelevant, to me he's completely cooked there and he's lucky he was saved
I don't think the stumble is a knockdown or should be, but it's a bad look. A healthy fighter isn't stumbling half over. IMO if that fight isn't stopped then there's no point stopping any fight unless the person's unconscious, it was akin to when Nunes was teeing off on RondaFair, I think it’s reasonable to give him a bit more time. I’m not even sure the stumble is considered a knock down?
I’m fine with others saying it’s a good stoppage, I’m not even really arguing against that, Izzy said he wanted longer and his explanation isn’t just “I was fine” he accepts the position and that the stoppage is reasonable but (rightly imo) wanted some more time. Given the way he pops up after the stoppage he was recovering as this was happening.
Every chance he takes another shot and goes down but there’s also a reasonable suggestion that he grabs a clinch and recovers. 5th round of a title fight he’s winning I can see his point.
Again, fair enough, I don’t really agree with you given the circumstances of the fight, nor did Izzy, that was really the only point I was making.I don't think the stumble is a knockdown or should be, but it's a bad look. A healthy fighter isn't stumbling half over. IMO if that fight isn't stopped then there's no point stopping any fight unless the person's unconscious, it was akin to when Nunes was teeing off on Ronda
Because Kelvin fought back, I don't see the confusion. Kelvin went down but was immediately to a leg or was back up. Izzy got knocked down as well or atleast badly wobbled but he defender himself.Fwiw the other part of the point he made is that Goddard reffed him and Gastelum and Kelvin got knocked down 4 times without a stoppage.
Izzy will have 0 knockdowns counted in this but also loses via TKO.
I’m not sure how you can argue there is any consistency to that.
Again, it’s not a bad stoppage, not even Izzy is saying that but I can understand why he’s not thrilled with it.
Kelvin didn’t have a 5 second period of being on dream street? I remember thinking they probably should have stopped that fight but they didn’t just as I know watching this I thought it was a touch early.Because Kelvin fought back, I don't see the confusion. Kelvin went down but was immediately to a leg or was back up. Izzy got knocked down as well or atleast badly wobbled but he defender himself.
He stopped defending himself, as to Izzy thinking it was early well no s**t, no fighters gonna say it was a good stoppage they are a fighter. It literally doesn't matter what he thinks. Alistair overeem would think it was stopped early in the Ngannou fight
It's completely on him, if he was so fine he should have kept either his hands or eyes up and he'd be allowed to continue. He didn't. Throw one punch and he probably continues, he didn't.
Yeah but mate you're saying Izzy thought it was early, my point is that in that case any fighter who's isn't unconscious could argue it's early. Whats the point of the ref thenKelvin didn’t have a 5 second period of being on dream street? I remember thinking they probably should have stopped that fight but they didn’t just as I know watching this I thought it was a touch early.
I’m not even really arguing against the stoppage, purely saying Izzy made a fairly reasonable point about why he thought it was early but also accepts what happens, you’re making out like me and Izzy are calling for Goddardz head and that’s just not the case.
Agree to disagree, it’s subjective and it’s a pointless back and forth now anyway.
I mean, I’d rather hear the former world champs thoughts on the fight than yours. He was asked about it in an interview and gave what I thought was a pretty insightful response. Given he’s the guy doing it it warrants consideration. It’s very easy for you and I to speculate what he was doing or feeling in the moment, he can just tell us and given he didn’t carry on like a dickhead about being robbed etc. it has some weight.Yeah but mate you're saying Izzy thought it was early, my point is that in that case any fighter who's isn't unconscious could argue it's early. Whats the point of the ref then
I mean, I’d rather hear the former world champs thoughts on the fight than yours. He was asked about it in an interview and gave what I thought was a pretty insightful response. Given he’s the guy doing it it warrants consideration. It’s very easy for you and I to speculate what he was doing or feeling in the moment, he can just tell us and given he didn’t carry on like a dickhead about being robbed etc. it has some weight.
I’m also not arguing that he’s right just that he’s articulate, reasonable and made some pretty fair points. This isn’t someone who got absolutely starched after getting their ass handed to them for 3 straight rounds arguing about “going out on their sword” this is a guy who was almost certainly was winning the fight, nearly KOd his opponent in the first and got caught at the end saying “I don’t think I was completely done, here’s what I was doing and here’s a few points why I would have liked some more time but also Marc’s great and I get it”.
You don’t even want to listen to it so ultimately any discussion with you on what Izzy thought (which was what I originally responded to) isn’t gonna have much insight.