Religion The God Question (continued in Part 2 - link in last post)

god or advanced entity?

  • god

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A little tip for you, you will not find any contradictions if you know what you are talking about.
You can make the bible to mean whatever you want if you want to spartan.
Do you know what you are talking about? Do you understand the bible fully? Is it the literal word of God?
 

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Was looking for somewhere to put this random thought I had (without starting a new thread) and this appears as good as any.

Any resident physicists please feel free to tell me how impossible this is, as I'm sure it is.

So 'regular' matter only makes up 20% of what we believe should be the mass of the observable universe. We also don't know for sure why within that 20% there appears to be far more matter than antimatter (I know there are some solid theories on this though).

My random thought was what if......the other 80% of 'Dark Matter' is actually four other types of matter, and at the beginning of the universe 5 completely different versions of matter were formed in equal quantities. Each only interacts with the others via gravity, and cannot distinguish between the other 4 types, it is just 'my type' & 'not my type'.

Within each type would exist their own versions of forces, 5 types of electromagnetism, 5 types of strong and weak nuclear forces, but only interacting within their own types. Except gravity of course.

You could also imagine that the balance of matter/anti-matter works out in the bigger picture. 'Our' matter is countered by one of the matter versions being mostly made of anti-matter.

Each galaxy could be 5 galaxies in one, with each of the 5 wondering what the other 80% is made up of. Could there be type 2 stars fusing type 2 hydrogen into type 2 helium? If a type 4 photon doesn't interact with our type, we wouldn't know if a type 4 star is shining somewhere in our neighborhood.

You could write a really good sci-fi story around that I reckon...
i think you're branching into the multiverse theory.....

if theres all this matter but nothing can interact with it, then the sum of all that matter is its own entity. same with our matter. its possible dark matter is just matter from another universe having an effect on ours. who knows, this matter could be in another dimension.
 

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I know a little more than the average google-searcher.
LOL! funny considering every argument you made so far against me was directly copied off gooogle and refuted a long time ago. Remember all those so called "academic" papers you just googled and pasted on here?? And then it was embarrassing because you really didn't have any idea of science and what the papers were actually talking about.

You pretend to know but still haven't demonstrated any ounce of knowledge. All this talk of knowing but you haven't proven anything! Just deflections. You haven't even commented on the video nor the contradicted bible verses, all you have said is they are not contradictory but haven't backed it up with any proof.
 
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I know a little more than the average google-searcher.
That's you claim. Good for you.
As for questioning others interest in religion/bible, you are making an assumption on the poster's knowledge because you do not like the material he posted. You do not address the material, you attack the poster. This is your common tactic.
So what if they use the internet to educate themselves. It's filled with information, many many sources, good sources and bad. How does that pale to your personal interpenetration of an ancient text which is mostly likely guided by whichever christian sect you belong to?
 

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The scriptures refer to themselves as the word of God numerous times.

how could we properly test this claim then?

how would we distinguish between the inspired word of an actual, real, existing god, versus fictitious stories, invented to inspire awe in potential religious followers?
 

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how could we properly test this claim then?

how would we distinguish between the inspired word of an actual, real, existing god, versus fictitious stories, invented to inspire awe in potential religious followers?
Why would you believe such a self-reference, in the face of no other evidence?
 

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It's an excellent question and it is hard to provide an appropriate enough answer for you!
Suffice to say that If we can look at the bible as a source of wisdom and narrative which contains truths
for our lives, and if I have no reason to doubt the existence of God - whether academically or experientially,
then it's likely, to me anyway, that it could very well be what it claims to be.
 

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...we can look at the bible as a source of wisdom and narrative which contains truths for our lives, and if I have no reason to doubt the existence of God
i can appreciate the first part. and i think that the bible doesn't need to be any more than this. cherry picking the best bits and jettisoning the nonsense is a more honorable way to go about a religion than stubbornly ignoring some of the bare-faced nonsense written only for glorification purposes.

are there people around who just take the good bits and just ignore the obvious bullshit? are there jesus followers who think he was good for a quote or two but dismiss the supernatural claims as they are not needed?

i just don't see that the supernatural stuff is needed.
 

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It's an excellent question and it is hard to provide an appropriate enough answer for you!
Suffice to say that If we can look at the bible as a source of wisdom and narrative which contains truths
for our lives, and if I have no reason to doubt the existence of God - whether academically or experientially,
then it's likely, to me anyway, that it could very well be what it claims to be.
People who need guidance, believe they need it or are not capable of properly questioning their beliefs just want to see their beliefs confirmed and will therefor not challenge them. I mean, whether academically or experientially, then it's likely, to me anyway, that it could very well be what it claims to be, wtf is that? :D

Religious people I know don't look critically at their beliefs at all. Asking them "why do you believe?" or "what makes you sure that there is a god?", I've heard the most naive or desperate answers.

You can replace your bible by any "guiding" book and believers will say exactly what you've just said, whether they believe in one god, multiple gods, spirits, life after death, reincarnation or any superstition.
 

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If you were to ask me why I believe in God, how can you appreciate the answer I give, when it is evident in the person I have become?
The best proof I can offer is the change in my own life and the lives of others who have given themselves over to the belief in a loving creator.
It transcends my life and changes the way I think, act, interact, treat people and I can go on. My belief has changed me. That is the only proof
I can offer someone. I HAVE and DO critically question my faith, and I have looked at other faith, but there is something genuinely unique
in the christian faith that sets it apart and changes lives. How can someone describe flight unless the other person has experienced it? How can you
believe the pain of someone else unless you have lived it yourself? It can be subjective, but all I can do is offer myself as proof... but still as an imperfect
and broken person who has a lot of work that needs to be done. That is the uniqueness of it - it's grace.
 

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If you were to ask me why I believe in God, how can you appreciate the answer I give, when it is evident in the person I have become?
The best proof I can offer is the change in my own life and the lives of others who have given themselves over to the belief in a loving creator.
It transcends my life and changes the way I think, act, interact, treat people and I can go on. My belief has changed me. That is the only proof
I can offer someone. I HAVE and DO critically question my faith, and I have looked at other faith, but there is something genuinely unique
in the christian faith that sets it apart and changes lives. How can someone describe flight unless the other person has experienced it? How can you
believe the pain of someone else unless you have lived it yourself? It can be subjective, but all I can do is offer myself as proof... but still as an imperfect
and broken person who has a lot of work that needs to be done. That is the uniqueness of it - it's grace.
Nowhere do you mention that this 'change' was for the better. If the measure of your faith is the change in you, then you committed to your religion before these changes, thus making them NOT the reason you believe in god. You chose to believe in god, and according to you, then you changed.

It seems you have NFI how you came to believe in god, if the reason you stated is the one you embrace. The erratic and nonsensical way in which you answer this fundamental question indicates that you have only ever thought about it in a fleeting fashion, if at all. The alternative possibility is that rather than merely being befuddled you are lying, probably because the real reason makes you look even more foolish.
 
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