Religion The God Question (continued in Part 2 - link in last post)

god or advanced entity?

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Which is exactly what YOU are doing, you are the one filtering what you want to see to support your own agenda, you are the daddy of it. Yet you have the cheek to have a go at someone else for doing it, hilarious

If you really wanna see the deeds of Christians as a foundation of where we'd find God, then you really are gonna be in trouble



You can keep repeating that statement all you want despite all the obvious rebuttals to it and blatant takedowns that have shot it down, just keep closing your eyes block your ears and repeat it to yourself, maybe you can brainwash yourself to it somehow. Oh wait you already have
No, unlike you I don't blanket all people who call themselves Christian as being genuinely what they say.
I wish people would stop doing this, because it is literally like saying all muslims are alike, or all black people are such and such or asians are this and that.
It is inaccurate and quite foolish to do that. Of course I am going to repeat this statement about the world, it's the truth. You can't seriously think that the
world is in wonderful shape? The irony is that at easter time, the time when Jesus died for one and all, you ask where God is and why he doesn't involve himself in peoples' lives.
 

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No, unlike you I don't blanket all people who call themselves Christian as being genuinely what they say.
So basically Christians who have used the scriptures to justify the persecution, oppression, and at times even the murder of individuals or the opposite sex over history, aren't Christians in your eyes, because you wanna filter them out since they don't suit your sample size

See? You are the one filtering out things that don't suit you to suit your own agenda, but you are gonna have a go at someone else for doing it? HA

I wish people would stop doing this, because it is literally like saying all muslims are alike, or all black people are such and such or asians are this and that.
It is inaccurate and quite foolish to do that. Of course I am going to repeat this statement about the world, it's the truth. You can't seriously think that the
world is in wonderful shape? The irony is that at easter time, the time when Jesus died for one and all, you ask where God is and why he doesn't involve himself in peoples' lives.
Now you're going off on a tangent again, no one is saying all Christians are like that, but there ARE definitely those who are like that and they are not the minority. So whether a Christian is good or bad is random, just like everyone else in the world even among the secular crowd, but you're gonna sit there and tell me, that you're only gonna count those you approve of as Christians, those who claim they are aren't, because you don't approve of them. And that's not selective and filtering?

For goodness sake, we're going back to God's omnipotence and love in a broken world can't be a consistent concept, and you're gonna ignore all that and just say "it's the truth", because you have brainwashed yourself as such, and anything that legitimately challenges your world view must not be true. I am not gonna repeat myself on how terribly stupid your argument is, because I've already done it too many times, if you refuse to listen or acknowledge it then it's your problem
 

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Can't go to the footy, most shops closed, TV full of dickheads babbling on about a fairy tale and telling us how to live etc, etc....but loving the irony how a rabbit and chocolate has taken it over.




About REAL life? Yeah, I know a fair bit. A helluva lot actually.

I'm not interested in your platitudes and interpretational shyte on some random book that you think talks about history and foretells the future and damns all who refuse to believe.

What horseshit.

Yeah, I'm charming - charming to the point of literally hoping that all of you pious pricks get your comeuppance n the future.


That last breath and heartbeat, when you think that the pearly gates await, will only be darkness and worms eating your flesh like the rest of us.

If you are right, LOL, then best of luck to you. However, I hope you get what for from this Christian God for continuously trying to tell us how to think and to live.

I'll be enjoying the eternal flames and damnation with a grin on my face.
Can't go to the footy? Our club organized the first Good Friday Game for the league. Which looks like being a good annual money spinner for the club. I've had a real Good Friday won by 30 points.
 

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who is persecuting who here?
suffice to say that the world is truly evil and corrupt
and the manifestations of that are evident no matter where you look, just watch the news! Logic and common sense can take you so far, but
where does logic come from? This is the point, there are so many questions and sometimes we focus on the wrong ones - rather than asking
where is God? why not try and see the good that IS done by people who give there lives serving Him. THAT is where you will find God in this world.
Point out what good has come from your involvement in this thread. You are a dissembling, paranoid fanatic, who thinks conversation consists of trying to score ridiculous debating points, when a requirement to provide content of argument defeats you. If you hold such a dim view of the world, one should hardly be surprised that you choose not to be a part of it, by creating an other one. You are a deluded coward.
 

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So basically Christians who have used the scriptures to justify the persecution, oppression, and at times even the murder of individuals or the opposite sex over history, aren't Christians in your eyes, because you wanna filter them out because they don't suit your sample size

See? You are the one filtering out things that don't suit you to suit your own agenda, but you are gonna have a go at someone else for doing it? HA



Now you're going off on a tangent again, no one is saying all Christians are like that, but there ARE definitely those who are like that and they are not the minority. So whether a Christian is good or bad is random, just like everyone else in the world even among the secular crowd, but you're gonna sit there and tell me, that you're only gonna count those you approve of as Christians, those who claim they are aren't, because you don't approve of them. And that's not selective and filtering?

For goodness sake, we're going back to God's omnipotence and love in a broken world can't be a consistent concept, and you're gonna ignore all that and just say "it's the truth", because you have brainwashed yourself as such, and anything that legitimately challenges your world view must not be true. I am not gonna repeat myself on how terribly stupid your argument is, because I've already done it too many times, if you refuse to listen or acknowledge it then it's your problem

No, christians who act in a way that is inconsistent with how Jesus would have us live aren't really christian at all. Those who use their faith as a power over the lives of other people to abuse and destroy them are terribly evil and are NOT a representation of genuine Christianity, although some people would like it to be I'm sure so it can justify their position of hatred. You want God to intervene miraculously in this world and rail against him if it doesn't happen and use it to justify your bitterness. Anyone can do that. Do you think being a follower of God is easy? It is the most difficult lifestyle imaginable and yet the most rewarding. God will only be found in the actions and attitudes of others, those who reveal the character and nature of Jesus and the grace of God. If that is insufficient for you, then perhaps you may need to change your frame of reference,rather than trying to make other people change for the benefit of you.
 

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Point out what good has come from your involvement in this thread. You are a dissembling, paranoid fanatic, who thinks conversation consists of trying to score ridiculous debating points, when a requirement to provide content of argument defeats you. If you hold such a dim view of the world, one should hardly be surprised that you choose not to be a part of it, by creating an other one. You are a deluded coward.
Why do you rail against something that you don't even believe in? Foolish waste of time I would have thought. Also, your sanctimonious attitude and pathetic insults really don't bother me at all. I'd rather be a coward in your eyes than the eyes of God!
 

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“We believe in Marx, freud and darwin.
We believe everything is OK as long as you don’t hurt anyone to the best of your definition of hurt, and to the best of your knowledge.
We believe in sex before, during, and after marriage.
We believe in the therapy of sin.
We believe that adultery is fun.
We believe that sodomy’s OK.
We believe that taboos are taboo.
We believe that everything’s getting better despite evidence to the contrary.
The evidence must be investigated and you can prove anything with evidence.
We believe there’s something in horoscopes, UFO’s and bent spoons.
Jesus was a good man just like Buddha, Mohammed, and ourselves.
He was a good moral teacher though we think His good morals were bad.
We believe that all religions are basically the same- at least the one that we read was.
They all believe in love and goodness.
They only differ on matters of creation, sin, heaven, hell, God, and salvation.
We believe that after death comes the Nothing because when you ask the dead what happens they say nothing.
If death is not the end, if the dead have lied, then its compulsory heaven for all excepting perhaps Hitler, Stalin, and Genghis Kahn
We believe in Masters and Johnson.
What’s selected is average.
What’s average is normal.
What’s normal is good.
We believe in total disarmament.
We believe there are direct links between warfare and bloodshed.
Americans should beat their guns into tractors and the Russians would be sure to follow.
We believe that man is essentially good.
It’s only his behavior that lets him down.
This is the fault of society.
Society is the fault of conditions.
Conditions are the fault of society.
We believe that each man must find the truth that is right for him.
Reality will adapt accordingly.
The universe will readjust.
History will alter.
We believe that there is no absolute truth excepting the truth
that there is no absolute truth.
We believe in the rejection of creeds, and the flowering of individual thought.
If chance be the Father of all flesh, disaster is his rainbow in the sky and when you hear
State of Emergency!
Sniper Kills Ten!
Troops on Rampage!
Whites go Looting!
Bomb Blasts School!
It is but the sound of man worshipping his maker”

This would be a reasonable insight in to the problems of our world.
 

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Why do you rail against something that you don't even believe in? Foolish waste of time I would have thought. Also, your sanctimonious attitude and pathetic insults really don't bother me at all. I'd rather be a coward in your eyes than the eyes of God!
Idiots annoy me. What colour eyes does god have? Is he still living in the same premises? Where, exactly, are they? What time is it in heaven?
 

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“We believe in Marx, freud and darwin.
We believe everything is OK as long as you don’t hurt anyone to the best of your definition of hurt, and to the best of your knowledge.
We believe in sex before, during, and after marriage.
We believe in the therapy of sin.
We believe that adultery is fun.
We believe that sodomy’s OK.
We believe that taboos are taboo.
We believe that everything’s getting better despite evidence to the contrary.
The evidence must be investigated and you can prove anything with evidence.
We believe there’s something in horoscopes, UFO’s and bent spoons.
Jesus was a good man just like Buddha, Mohammed, and ourselves.
He was a good moral teacher though we think His good morals were bad.
We believe that all religions are basically the same- at least the one that we read was.
They all believe in love and goodness.
They only differ on matters of creation, sin, heaven, hell, God, and salvation.
We believe that after death comes the Nothing because when you ask the dead what happens they say nothing.
If death is not the end, if the dead have lied, then its compulsory heaven for all excepting perhaps Hitler, Stalin, and Genghis Kahn
We believe in Masters and Johnson.
What’s selected is average.
What’s average is normal.
What’s normal is good.
We believe in total disarmament.
We believe there are direct links between warfare and bloodshed.
Americans should beat their guns into tractors and the Russians would be sure to follow.
We believe that man is essentially good.
It’s only his behavior that lets him down.
This is the fault of society.
Society is the fault of conditions.
Conditions are the fault of society.
We believe that each man must find the truth that is right for him.
Reality will adapt accordingly.
The universe will readjust.
History will alter.
We believe that there is no absolute truth excepting the truth
that there is no absolute truth.
We believe in the rejection of creeds, and the flowering of individual thought.
If chance be the Father of all flesh, disaster is his rainbow in the sky and when you hear
State of Emergency!
Sniper Kills Ten!
Troops on Rampage!
Whites go Looting!
Bomb Blasts School!
It is but the sound of man worshipping his maker”

This would be a reasonable insight in to the problems of our world.
These are the thoughts which have caused you to fall profoundly ill. Have you sought help?
 

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You really think I care what you think of me? Do you think I am trying to tell you how to live?
Stop trying to impress people.
Of course you don't care, which pleases me greatly.

However, your religion, and others, are constantly telling us how to live and what we can, and cannot, do!

Abortion, euthanasia etc...burn in eternal hell. FMD

It would be a joke if it didn't find it's way into public policy and have frocked F***wits constantly ramming it down our throats.

You yourself have just finished lecturing a poster on how we should look at people doing good work in Gods name. What? Non-theists can't and don't do good in the world every second of the day?

Give me a break you pious prick.
 

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Of course you don't care, which pleases me greatly.

However, your religion, and others, are constantly telling us how to live and what we can, and cannot, do!

Abortion, euthanasia etc...burn in eternal hell. FMD

It would be a joke if it didn't find it's way into public policy and have frocked F***wits constantly ramming it down our throats.

You yourself have just finished lecturing a poster on how we should look at people doing good work in Gods name. What? Non-theists can't and don't do good in the world every second of the day?

Give me a break you pious prick.
grow up, I was addressing a specific question to a specific person, but keep on enjoying the school holidays!
I'm sorry that my beliefs are impugning on your beliefs and desire to remove my beliefs!
 

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No, christians who act in a way that is inconsistent with how Jesus would have us live aren't really christian at all. Those who use their faith as a power over the lives of other people to abuse and destroy them are terribly evil and are NOT a representation of genuine Christianity, although some people would like it to be I'm sure so it can justify their position of hatred. .
That's a completely different area altogether, these people have quoted scriptures, OT ones, that justify their positions. Some NT, too, Paul had quite harsh things to say about homosexuals. The bible in itself has a lot of verses that actually justifies their bigotry and prejudice. Which makes it really difficult to see how you can just separate those you think are Christians and those won't aren't, because it is so blurred. Yet you are trying to be selective about it

You want God to intervene miraculously in this world and rail against him if it doesn't happen and use it to justify your bitterness.
But he has intervened miraculously in this world all the time according to the bible, it happens too often, way too many times. If an omnipotent and all loving God can somehow continually allow for atrocities in the world to happen, then it's a legitimate question to ask for those who are not blind sheeps, it has nothing to do with justifying bitterness, it's just common sense. Something you might be foreign to

Do you think being a follower of God is easy? It is the most difficult lifestyle imaginable and yet the most rewarding. God will only be found in the actions and attitudes of others, those who reveal the character and nature of Jesus and the grace of God. If that is insufficient for you, then perhaps you may need to change your frame of reference,rather than trying to make other people change for the benefit of you.
See that's just narcissistic self promotion and pumping your own tyres to me, I heard you said it's a broken world? Then there are many difficult lifestyles out there, who are you to self indulgently say it's the most difficult, more difficult out of all of them, such as that poor starving kid living in the slum who has to sell her body at the age of 8 or her family would starve? Kids who have to pick out trash in a dump and sell them in order to get enough to just get by? You are just arrogantly big noting yourself to make what you do as somehow more important and more meaningful than it actually is

If God can be found in the actions and attitudes of Christians and those who claim to follow Him then we have a two faced God, which is kinda the point all along

Of course it's insufficient for me, I can think for myself, I use my head a little, you really think all this nonsense is sufficient for any reasonable man? And btw, Christians are those who try to make people change for their own benefit, one of the worst at it, yet again projection
 

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grow up, I was addressing a specific question to a specific person, but keep on enjoying the school holidays!
I'm sorry that my beliefs are impugning on your beliefs and desire to remove my beliefs!
Have your beliefs, keep your beliefs, cherish your beliefs.

But stop projecting them onto the rest of us.

Hell for you now.

Oh, that's right. You just say sorry and please forgive me.

:rolleyes:
 

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That's a completely different area altogether, these people have quoted scriptures, OT ones, that justify their positions. Some NT, too, Paul had quite harsh things to say about homosexuals. The bible in itself has a lot of verses that actually justifies their bigotry and prejudice. Which makes it really difficult to see how you can just separate those you think are Christians and those won't aren't, because it is so blurred. Yet you are trying to be selective about it



But he has intervened miraculously in this world all the time according to the bible, it happens too often, way too many times. If an omnipotent and all loving God can somehow continually allow for atrocities in the world to happen, then it's a legitimate question to ask for those who are not blind sheeps, it has nothing to do with justifying bitterness, it's just common sense. Something you might be foreign to



See that's just narcissistic self promotion and pumping your own tyres to me, I heard you said it's a broken world? Then there are many difficult lifestyles out there, who are you to self indulgently say it's the most difficult, more difficult out of all of them, such as that poor starving kid living in the slum who has to sell her body at the age of 8 or her family would starve? Kids who have to pick out trash in a dump and sell them in order to get enough to just get by? You are just arrogantly big noting yourself to make what you do as somehow more important and more meaningful than it actually is

If God can be found in the actions and attitudes of Christians and those who claim to follow Him then we have a two faced God, which is kinda the point all along

Of course it's insufficient for me, I can think for myself, I use my head a little, you really think all this nonsense is sufficient for any reasonable man? And btw, Christians are those who try to make people change for their own benefit, one of the worst at it, yet again projection

Hey, you are entitled to think what you want, it is free will after all, but don't lump all christians together as bad people and seriously guys, stop bringing the homosexual argument in to the issue as though it is the biggest thing on your collective plates. Of course it is difficult being a christian, you think living a life that goes against what is 'normal' in this day and age is easy? It's not 'tyre pumping' at all, it just is. I am fortunate enough to not live in a place where such atrocities happen that you mentioned, so what are YOU doing about it? I know there are genuine christian groups that go to these places to help, so what can you do to assist? Stop looking for reasons and excuses to bad christians, you will never get a reasonable answer to any of your questions that way, you will just make yourself more bitter.
 

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Have your beliefs, keep your beliefs, cherish your beliefs.

But stop projecting them onto the rest of us.



Hell for you now.

Oh, that's right. You just say sorry and please forgive me.

:rolleyes:
I'm not projecting them on anyone you goose! A question was asked which I tried to answer.

Stop quoting standard humanism 101 and think for yourself.
 

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Hey, you are entitled to think what you want, it is free will after all, but don't lump all christians together as bad people and seriously guys,
Heh I have not done that, not in the slightest, keep making things up all you want

stop bringing the homosexual argument in to the issue as though it is the biggest thing on your collective plates.
It's one of the most glaring ones, I guess you wouldn't want people to bring it up coz it would show you up

Of course it is difficult being a christian, you think living a life that goes against what is 'normal' in this day and age is easy? It's not 'tyre pumping' at all, it just is. I am fortunate enough to not live in a place where such atrocities happen that you mentioned, so what are YOU doing about it?
That entire statement is completely pumping your own tyres and narcissistic big noting of yourself, are you that self unaware?

You said it was the most difficult lifestyle, you were effectively comparing yourself to child prostitutes and voluntary child labour, those kids who actually have to live difficult lives. You are the one being completely ridiculous, and I give you that, you certainly aren't normal, not in a good way

So now it's a penis size comparison contest? Look I have been doing all these things for these atrocities, allegedly, I am awesome, what are YOU doing about it? Btw if you actually know what I'm doing about it, then you wouldn't sound so condescendingly boastful of yourself.

Btw it is against the scriptures to be boastful of your works if you have any, you do realise Jesus in the sermon on the mount told people to not let their good deeds be seen and keep them hidden, let their charities be unnoticed. You know that, right? You know how Jesus accused the Pharisees of doing good works and letting everyone know about it as a narcissistic way to show how good they are, and how Jesus said it was a terrible thing to do, right? So you are gonna act like a Pharisee now and justify your own position? How are you in anyway Christian? Btw this is from the gospels which you somehow selectively picked, you are violating your own God's commands.

I know there are genuine christian groups that go to these places to help, so what can you do to assist? Stop looking for reasons and excuses to bad christians, you will never get a reasonable answer to any of your questions that way, you will just make yourself more bitter.
Actuallyn I have reasonable answers to all those questions, just because you are too deluded to accept them doesn't mean they aren't reasonable

I love good Christians, they are good people, you are unfortunately not one of them
 

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Heh I have not done that, not in the slightest, keep making things up all you want



It's one of the most glaring ones, I guess you wouldn't want people to bring it up coz it would show you up



That entire statement is completely pumping your own tyres and narcissistic big noting of yourself, are you that self unaware?

You said it was the most difficult lifestyle, you were effectively comparing yourself to child prostitutes and voluntary child labour, those kids who actually have to live difficult lives. You are the one being completely ridiculous, and I give you that, you certainly aren't normal, not in a good way

So now it's a penis size comparison contest? Look I have been doing all these things for these atrocities, allegedly, I am awesome, what are YOU doing about it? Btw if you actually know what I'm doing about it, then you wouldn't sound so condescendingly boastful of yourself.

Btw it is against the scriptures to be boastful of your works if you have any, you do realise Jesus in the sermon on the mount told people to not let their good deeds be seen and keep them hidden, let their charities be unnoticed. You know that, right? You know how Jesus accused the Pharisees of doing good works and letting everyone know about it as a narcissistic way to show how good they are, and how Jesus said it was a terrible thing to do, right? So you are gonna act like a Pharisee now and justify your own position? How are you in anyway Christian? Btw this is from the gospels which you somehow selectively picked, you are violating your own God's commands.



Actuallyn I have reasonable answers to all those questions, just because you are too deluded to accept them doesn't mean they aren't reasonable

I love good Christians, they are good people, you are unfortunately not one of them
I am completely against homosexuality, I don't hide it. Does it mean I abuse them? treat them as lesser people? not at all.
Secondly, I'm not pumping my tyres, I am stating a fact, I'm not saying how wonderful I am, sorry to disappoint you, but thanks for your scriptural knowledge.
Thirdly, I'm sorry you feel I am not a good christian, I would like to know what criteria you use to decide whom you consider to be good or not.
 

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I am completely against homosexuality, I don't hide it. Does it mean I abuse them? treat them as lesser people? not at all.
There are a lot of cases of Christians around the world abusing discriminating and blatantly harrassing them in the name of Christ, they're against homosexuality, too. So I somehow don't see how you represent the entire Christian population

Secondly, I'm not pumping my tyres, I am stating a fact, I'm not saying how wonderful I am, sorry to disappoint you, but thanks for your scriptural knowledge.
Thirdly, I'm sorry you feel I am not a good christian, I would like to know what criteria you use to decide whom you consider to be good or not.
So it's a fact that the Christian lifestyle is the most difficult lifestyle? This is in your own words. Coz that would appear that you either don't know what pumping your own tyres mean or that you don't know what facts mean

But you are clearly trying to tell us how wonderful you are, you have zero self-awareness. And don't worry you have disappointed me enough, you can't go much lower

Good Christians would at least not be blatantly hypocritical and would at least try to respect Jesus's commands before having a go at some other Christians who aren't like Jesus or listen to His commands and say they aren't genuine Christians. That would help
 

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There are a lot of cases of Christians around the world abusing discriminating and blatantly harrassing them in the name of Christ, they're against homosexuality, too. So I somehow don't see how you represent the entire Christian population



So it's a fact that the Christian lifestyle is the most difficult lifestyle? This is in your own words. Coz that would appear that you either don't know what pumping your own tyres mean or that you don't know what facts mean

But you are clearly trying to tell us how wonderful you are, you have zero self-awareness. And don't worry you have disappointed me enough, you can't go much lower

Good Christians would at least not be blatantly hypocritical and would at least try to respect Jesus's commands before having a go at some other Christians who aren't like Jesus or listen to His commands and say they aren't genuine Christians. That would help
It's an incredibly difficult way to live, but it is a way I CHOOSE to live. Maybe I should have clarified that more so you wouldn't have a hookhold
to attack a certain part and miss the point. I am the least wonderful person walking the earth today, I don't know why you are pursuing this unless
it is something that amuses you because you need to find something to attack on. Trust me, I'm a horrible person when left to my own devices.
Please tell me then about having a go at other christians. You seem to know so much about the bible that you completely missed the part where
it says that you will know a genuine christian by their lives, not by their words.
 

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It's an incredibly difficult way to live, but it is a way I CHOOSE to live. Maybe I should have clarified that more so you wouldn't have a hookhold
to attack a certain part and miss the point. I am the least wonderful person walking the earth today, I don't know why you are pursuing this unless
it is something that amuses you because you need to find something to attack on. Trust me, I'm a horrible person when left to my own devices.
Please tell me then about having a go at other christians. You seem to know so much about the bible that you completely missed the part where
it says that you will know a genuine christian by their lives, not by their words.
I'm not missing the point, it's the point you made yourself, you got called out on it and suddenly I am the one who missed the point, good to see your gift of deflection hasn't left you

I am pursuing this because you were pumping your own tyres with some ridiculous statements, so I bring a bit of reality into it and see how you'd react, it's interesting that way. Honestly if you don't want people holding you up for the silly things that you say, just don't talk

Actually their words give a hint to their lives, have you not read proverbs about the power of words and the wicked tongue?

Anyway we have deviated enough from the original topic, I'm more than happy to keep going on this silly tangent coz it actually is quite amusing for me, so if you keep going then I will, be my guest. Otherwise my points have been made
 
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