Religion The God Question - part 2

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So p35 how would you define god? or what is your concept/idea/understanding of god?
Come on TP....To define is to set limits & thereby put a human measure on that which lies beyond any human scale.

God is the mystery & glue of the universe....It's that simple.
 

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no i did not, never heard of him.
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just googled, i do now. will have a more detailed look later.

i'm a fan of man.
Yep....Paradise Lost.

One of the quintessential works of the Western canon.

Also the book of choice for British soldiers of WW1....Staring death in the face....No escape there: prepare to meet your maker.
 

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Yep....Paradise Lost.

One of the quintessential works of the Western canon.

Also the book of choice for British soldiers of WW1....Staring death in the face....No escape there: prepare to meet your maker.
no doubt when i am on deaths door i will be hoping (not praying:)) you are right.

i have been at 2 death beds in the last few years, both cancer and one a believer and one an agnostic, they were both scared when it came to the end, even the believer (my father) said hours before his death to me "f...k J is there something there, i don't want to go"

IMO we would all love there to be another journey to go on, me? i have my doubts.
 

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thanks for the replies evo, P35. this discussion is probably way too deep for me, i'll stick to my disbelief in an omnipresent, judgemental institutionalized religious deity which this thread is for and leave the time discussion for another time:). ie. when somebody starts a thread about it.
It's cool mate. My view on time is certainly not a widely held one.
 
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The quest? Is that like the quest for the Holy Grail? To search for something imaginary?


Maybe....Or just that the journey is the answer to all there is.

The Grail Journey is rather more an interior one, to find the hidden treasure within.
 

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The history of Jewish persecution & homelessness should give you the answer.
Sorry i dont understand. Do you believe in a Biblical god, loving caring and judging people like BT argues here? or do you believe Jesus was a Rabbi that preached like other rabbi's but stories about him are symbolic? do you also believe that the god of OT was Jesus? or symbolic?
 
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Sorry i dont understand. Do you believe in a Biblical god, loving caring and judging people like BT argues here? or do you believe Jesus was a Rabbi that preached like other rabbi's but stories about him are symbolic? do you also believe that the god of OT was Jesus? or symbolic?
The Biblical God of the Old Testament was your first enquiry.

The NT, though it's narrative is formulated upon the old, entails as much Greek & Roman influence, as it does Judaic....Probably more.

I agree with Nietzsche's reading on them both as Pathologically Conceived....As an Over-compensation, at the hands of persecution.

Not difficult to see that, I'd of thought.
 

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The Biblical God of the Old Testament was your first enquiry.

The NT, though it's narrative is formulated upon the old, entails as much Greek & Roman influence, as it does Judaic....Probably more.

I agree with Nietzsche's reading on them both as Pathologically Conceived....As an Over-compensation, at the hands of persecution.

Not difficult to see that, I'd of thought.
Ok but that's not what the catholics believe, that was the question i wanted an answer to.

So you believe the major denominations of Christianity are wrong in their interpretation?
 
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Ok but that's not what the catholics believe, that was the question i wanted an answer to.

So you believe the major denominations of Christianity are wrong in their interpretation?
Anyone who interprets the Bible literally is a fundy....We know that.

I'm rather more aligned with Gnosticism....None of the Gnostic gospels ascribe super-natural powers to CHrist....His being & life are more an exemplar of how to live the good life & stick to the straight & narrow....I.E. A holy man.
 

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Anyone who interprets the Bible literally is a fundy....We know that.

I'm rather more aligned with Gnosticism....None of the Gnostic gospels ascribe super-natural powers to CHrist....His being & life are more an exemplar of how to live the good life & stick to the straight & narrow....I.E. A holy man.
I agree, believe something pretty similar to this as well, but many here (Hello Bennett) who claim to be theologians argue for institutionalised religion.
 
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Anyone who interprets the Bible literally is a fundy....We know that.

I'm rather more aligned with Gnosticism....None of the Gnostic gospels ascribe super-natural powers to CHrist....His being & life are more an exemplar of how to live the good life & stick to the straight & narrow....I.E. A holy man.
That isnt true at all. I interpret parts of the bible literally and im not a fundy. The bible is a mix of literal and metaphorical.
 
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That isnt true at all. I interpret parts of the bible literally and im not a fundy. The bible is a mix of literal and metaphorical.
Depends which parts I suppose....But David Hume serves as a good litmus test on that front.
 
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That isnt true at all. I interpret parts of the bible literally and im not a fundy. The bible is a mix of literal and metaphorical.
As scientific knowledge continues to advance, I'm sure the Bible will become increasingly metaphorical. This will no doubt culminate in the Church re-educating people on how to "properly" read the Bible.
 
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As scientific knowledge continues to advance, I'm sure the Bible will become increasingly metaphorical. This will no doubt culminate in the Church re-educating people on how to "properly" read the Bible.
Yes, as we understand the world better our understanding of the bible will get better.
 

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As scientific knowledge continues to advance, I'm sure the Bible will become increasingly metaphorical. This will no doubt culminate in the Church re-educating people on how to "properly" read the Bible.
Check the dates on these writing from some heavy hitters of the Church.
Just a tad before Darwin and carbon dating.
Are you sure you weren't bought up a fundamentalist?

Clement of Alexandria

"And how could creation take place in time, seeing time was born along with things which exist? . . . That, then, we may be taught that the world was originated and not suppose that God made it in time, prophecy adds: ‘This is the book of the generation, also of the things in them, when they were created in the day that God made heaven and earth’ [Gen. 2:4]. For the expression ‘when they were created’ intimates an indefinite and dateless production. But the expression ‘in the day that God made them,’ that is, in and by which God made ‘all things,’ and ‘without which not even one thing was made,’ points out the activity exerted by the Son" (Miscellanies 6:16 [A.D. 208]).

Origen

"For who that has understanding will suppose that the first and second and third day existed without a sun and moon and stars and that the first day was, as it were, also without a sky? . . . I do not suppose that anyone doubts that these things figuratively indicate certain mysteries, the history having taken place in appearance and not literally" (The Fundamental Doctrines 4:1:16 [A.D. 225]).
 
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