Analysis The Goldsack Conundrum

[soreplums]

I like him and what he can bring, but would be interested to see whether he has any trade value if he has a good 2015.

I love his pressure up forward and love the idea of him being able to cover ground in the back half, but he lacks polish by foot and fumbles a lot. Could be a damaging HBF/ wingman if these areas had improved.

However, given we have a number of players coming through who can play his role, I'd be sussing out his worth on the trade table (yes I know it's early)

 

[PTpie]

Who's Hawthorn's player that can play everywhere or Sydney's?

Wow I've not been keeping tabs on this thread but for those two teams the answers are really easy as they have two of the best utilities in the game in Shaun Burgoyne and Jarrad McVeigh.

There isn't a player on the list at Collingwood that can go toe to toe with The Sack. He is fast, strong, can mark, is an excellent one on one tackler and creates doubt in the mind of opposition players when they have the ball. He can play tall or small, forward or back and run on the wing. He may not be elite at everything but he certainly isn't below average at anything.

 

[BEEG]

Can almost play anywhere has heart like I have said before he is not our best but every teams needs these kind of players

I feel the Maxwell role could be the best spot for him

 

[ClaytonM]

If anyone thinks there is not a role for a defensive forward then they were not watching on the weekend. Yarran cut us to ribbons from the back and must have a defensive forward down on him when we play for real.

 

[DinoSoar]

If anyone thinks there is not a role for a defensive forward then they were not watching on the weekend. Yarran cut us to ribbons from the back and must have a defensive forward down on him when we play for real.

Just had a thought - is a defensive forward required to negate someone like Yarran or is a more offensive forward required to make Yarran more accountable? Would the primary objective for a defender be to shutdown his direct opponent and ensure the opposing forward doesn't get off the leash? If so, wouldn't that make the strategy of defensive forward at odds with the fundamental role of a forward to score and generally be a headache for his defender, not the other way around.

I don't know what the answer is and I'm by no means a gameplan or strategy guru but it's just another aspect to the conundrum, in a kind of chicken or egg scenario.

 

[mike123]

Wow I've not been keeping tabs on this thread but for those two teams the answers are really easy as they have two of the best utilities in the game in Shaun Burgoyne and Jarrad McVeigh.

And those guys play their positions to higher standard then Goldsack. With those guys I'd be happy for them just to play them in one position. Their versatilely is a bonus not a clear strength. Goldsack biggest value is his ability to be swithced and for mine that isn't enough.

There isn't a player on the list at Collingwood that can go toe to toe with The Sack. He is fast, strong, can mark, is an excellent one on one tackler and creates doubt in the mind of opposition players when they have the ball. He can play tall or small, forward or back and run on the wing. He may not be elite at everything but he certainly isn't below average at anything.

Terrible kick, always fumbles, doesn't find much ball, offers barely any scoreboard impact and defenders don't care about him. Sorry but with those weakness I would rather him not play.

 

[mike123]

If anyone thinks there is not a role for a defensive forward then they were not watching on the weekend. Yarran cut us to ribbons from the back and must have a defensive forward down on him when we play for real.

Then why didn't Goldsack stop him?

 

[ClaytonM]

Just had a thought - is a defensive forward required to negate someone like Yarran or is a more offensive forward required to make Yarran more accountable? Would the primary objective for a defender be to shutdown his direct opponent and ensure the opposing forward doesn't get off the leash? If so, wouldn't that make the strategy of defensive forward at odds with the fundamental role of a forward to score and generally be a headache for his defender, not the other way around.

I don't know what the answer is and I'm by no means a gameplan or strategy guru but it's just another aspect to the conundrum, in a kind of chicken or egg scenario.

In the old days of positions and one-on-one setups that may have been the case, but not today. If we want to beat Carlton shutting down Yarran will go a long way to achieving that.

 

[ClaytonM]

Then why didn't Goldsack stop him?

It was a trial match. Hard tags are not the norm.

I suspect come the real deal Yarran will get a defensive tag. He is probably their most dangerous player.

 

[loki04]

Then why didn't Goldsack stop him?

Lol or Blair/Goldy stop Everritt from kicking 3 farking goals from BP!

 

[Black Prince]

And those guys play their positions to higher standard then Goldsack. With those guys I'd be happy for them just to play them in one position. Their versatilely is a bonus not a clear strength. Goldsack biggest value is his ability to be swithced and for mine that isn't enough.



Terrible kick, always fumbles, doesn't find much ball, offers barely any scoreboard impact and defenders don't care about him. Sorry but with those weakness I would rather him not play.

Saw Goldsack in the Bendigo Nab cup game and in a way was saddened .He was positioned at the back of a pack ,the ball comes could have marked safely but decides to punch it away .His role , focus and mindset is now only to negate and tackle where I would have preferred him to attack and use his speed as he did when first arriving. Leigh Matthews once quoted how bemused he was seeing Goldsack used for the purpose to only negate and tackle rather than have someone on the list who could effectively use the fundamental skills of the game in marking kicking and to handball .