Autopsy The Grand Final Disaster of 2017.

Discussion in 'Adelaide' started by Cleric, Sep 30, 2017.

Put it out there
  1. FrustratedTiger

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    OH, THE CAP LOCKS AGAIN! AND THE *******s. So salty. Interstate teams get 11 games a season of biased umpiring. It gets them to a grand final where most can't cope without it. And before you start with it being a national competition, the Victorians teams didn't join the SANFL. If we had, we would have expected that the Grand Finals would be played in Adelaide. If you don't like playing at the MCG, go watch Glenelg v Sturt. Enjoy your offseason. I'm done.
     
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  2. feenix67

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    I've thought this for a while. We can't find another way to win. We're so drilled that it makes you wonder whether players lose their natural football instinct when things aren't working.

    There's no doubt in my mind that someone should have thumped someone ten minutes into the third quarter. We had lost control of the game and needed to use McEnroe tactics to stop momentum. At the very least we should have flooded the defence to stop the margin blowing out and giving us a chance in the last. That's on Tex and the coach. The big fella needed to earn himself a 6 week holiday by taking Cotchin out and making a statement. The coach needed to focus on winning the game in front of him rather than hoping they'd just "click" at some stage.
     
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  3. Samcro24

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    Hawthorn away would be the only one. Down 6 goals to 1, won by a couple.

    Agree with your post though.
     
  4. Bone71

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    How would Richmond have coped at AO in the GF? Don't say it doesn't matter because the GF will always be at the MCG just answer the question....................

    I'm well aware that Adelaide joined the VFL we've had 27 seasons of reminders. So I'm happy to take the, supposed, 10 games of biased umpiring at AO since we get raped in every other way in this competition.

    Just remember the only way your shit club has manged to win a flag in the modern era was with the AFL paving the way at every step - well done congratulations!

    BTW I DON'T CARE THAT YOU DON'T LIKE CAPS LOCK I WILL USE IT WHENEVER I ******* WELL LIKE.
     
  5. Slippery Pete

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    It's a good point. We have a lot of blokes who think leading by example is enough.

    But it's not enough. If you're a leader and you're having a shit individual game, you have to be able to impact the game - and your teammates- in other ways.
     
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  6. Swooping Crow

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    You should have played Geelong at Simonds in first final.

    You were gifted a flag. Well done!
     
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    That is a perfect sliding doors example.
     
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    Tex's lack of leadership (lack of anything) in the biggest game most of these guys will ever play is unforgivable.
     
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    Im curious as to why he didnt take it upon himself to get into the players heads at HT that while we are down, we are still in the game.

    For the Tigers to turn a 9pt lead at HT into a 48pt bashing at the final siren is inexcusable.
     
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    i come in peace and understand your anguish, cant agree on the bs that the afl paved the way for us. we had a crap draw on the back of an ordinary 2016 and were dealt no fav during the finals. the draw opened up for us after cats defeated GWS in final Round and we benefited from the cards that were dealt. there's no case around home grounds in finals coz there never has been a mandate other than utilising either MCG or Etihad
    we were forced to wear our away strip and the campaigners didn't even play our song as we broke thru the barrier
     
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    Did you say that in 1997 when Adelaide got a home semi-final against Geelong despite the Cats finishing higher on the H&A ladder than the Crows? :rolleyes:

    Finals are played at the MCG. Always have been since 1897, always will. Geelong have played 118 finals in their history and 96 have been at the MCG (for 9 flags) and only two have been at their home grounds (one at Corio and one at KP). Playing finals at the MCG didn't stop Geelong winning in 2007-09-11. It didn't stop Adelaide winning in 1997-98. It didn't stop Richmond being totally crap for 35 straight years either. If you're the good enough on the day you win; if not you lose. Footy is as simple as that!

    Speaking of unfair advantages and "gifting" wins, Adelaide and Geelong didn't have to play Richmond at the MCG during the H&A season yet Richmond had to play both teams away. The Tigers only got one home game against the other top 5 teams (vs GWS). Yeah the Tigers really got an advantage there! :rolleyes: Richmond missed out on finishing on top of the ladder by just 2 points because by your own 'logic' the Tigers missed out on a certain 12 points vs Adel, Geel & Port at the MCG if we had a truly fair H&A season. So, again by your own 'logic', Adelaide and Geelong only finished above Richmond on the ladder due to the "gift" of home ground advantage thanks to the unevenness of the draw. Whinge all you like but you can't have it both ways.
     

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    We could have played you at any ground in the country and we still would have won. Please don't say it was the venue that gave us the win as that's a cop out for your supposed leaders like Tex, Jenkins and betts who along with most of your team were not up to it when we applied the heat. Best to lose graciously, it's a much better look.
     
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    Maybe but its not that certain. Good sides lose away on grounds that don't suit them often.

    As for Adelaide's performance, well, I'm less complimentary than I was to the idiot that thinks that the good vic sides are in any way harsher done by the H&A fixture than any of the non vic sides. I still can't put into words how furious I am at that pathetic capitulation.
     
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    Also don't underestimate the home crowd advantage. It works more often than not particularly when talking about the top teams who are vying for a flag. Just my 2c worth coming from another non Vic supporter without any ties to either side who played in the GF.
     
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    Understand how the seedings worked back then. Yes Adelaide had every right to host that game in 97, Geelong lost to 7th and Adelaide beat 5th in what world does Adelaide not go past Geelong in the seedings?

    As to the rest. Cry me a river, so you didn't get a return game against us and a couple of others. There are only 5 return games and I'm pretty certain Richmond and the AFL would have preferred them to be almost exclusively against other vic clubs. Try going to Kardinia Park every year or getting stuck with one or more of the Tasmania or Darwin games just because vic clubs can't pay the bills and their supporters are too insular to turn up against non vic sides.
     
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    Goers in his Sunday Mail column asks Crows supporters to stop blaming your own, in fact 'please stop blaming everyone'. This from a Port Adelaide supporter ?

    Graciously, and in humble irony, he goes on to finish his column poo-pooing the 'pre-finals Gold Coast idyll' and labelling the 'staring caper during the national anthem as stupid'. What an SA treasure this person is !

    'Stop Blaming Everyone' ? ? Lol. NTUA............the very essence of PA delusion.

    GMS (roughly translated > give me strength ! )
     
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    What? So you think that not only you should get to play at your home ground against a side ranked higher than you but you also DESERVE to wear your home strip?

    Your draw is only crap if you an average to poor vic team, it was no harder than the average non vic draw. I also watched all your finals and lets just say you had the rub of the green in every one of them. Don't even need to mention your captain who would have been rubbed out 100% of the time over the last 5 years....................
     
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    So you think the afl should have introduced a policy in 2017 that awarded home finals , it's never been the case , always played at MCG or etihad and before that vfl park. With winning margin 51p, 36p and 48p , there was a bit more than rub of the green in it and cotcha didn't deserve a suspension anymore than sloane did ,
     
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    lol your comparing Sloane to Cotchin? Cotchin clearly made the decision to go through his opponent with an arm tucked, Sloane clearly was positioning himself to tackle HUGE difference, a moronic comparison perpetrated by the vic media and anyone desperate to get Cotchin off.

    As for your first final I agree it shouldn't have been at Kardinia Park, I never said it should have been since Geelong have home games at the MCG. What I do think is that if Geelong should play ALL of its home games at Kardina Park in the future then any earn't home finals should be at Kardina Park until then they have no case. Nope you got the rub of the green in all of your final games but the call to have the Cats play you at the MCG was not what I was referring to. I am saying that momentum in each game was affected in each game in your favour - deliberate or not.
     
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    Well you ain't allowed to tackle and knock someone out , sloane was fortunate that danger got up with minimal effect , Cotchin was going for the ball in the contest , which he won , was incidental contact .shiel played on , was bumped again and was then spelled . There were a couple of other incidents that we were pretty lucky with
     
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    Our players had to stand their waiting for them to play the song and they only just got it playing as we went through it. Clearly someone was asleep at the wheel.
     
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    Cotchin is a sniper and got off because of the VFL boys club.
     
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    So all those home games at the G didn't give you an advantage Grand Final day even though we finished top? We travelled to Simonds, Tasmania, Darwin and Perth this year so it wasn't all easy with our fixture. Congrats on the flag though, you did play well despite the umps raping us in the first half. ;)
     
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    You know the league has been good to you when your main complaint is the design of the clothing you had to wear in the grand final