Resource The "Grand Final Policy" Thread

[atlaser]

That's just overly complex for no good reason honestly. The way it's done now is fine. Teams get rewarded for doing well in the home and away season with advantages in finals, there's no reason why that shouldn't extend to uniforms in finals also. Plus it's extremely straightforward

 

[hitthepost]

That's just overly complex for no good reason honestly. The way it's done now is fine. Teams get rewarded for doing well in the home and away season with advantages in finals, there's no reason why that shouldn't extend to uniforms in finals also. Plus it's extremely straightforward

We don't have to worry about it, but if it also determined which home ground the game was to be played at, then it would really be a blow to beat 1st in week one and not get the GF on your home turf.

Sinmilarly if we had a top 5, the winner of the major semi would be the undisputed home team. Purely based on the results in the finals themselves.

The fact that the venue is not a consideration doesn't mean that we shouldn't stop this being the case.

 

[parano1a]

Moot point now, but if Collingwood had beaten West Coast in the QF and they played again today, surely Collingwood would have earned the higher ranking?

 

[hitthepost]

Moot point now, but if Collingwood had beaten West Coast in the QF and they played again today, surely Collingwood would have earned the higher ranking?

Not according to current AFL policy. But according to my proposed flow-chart, yes.

 

[Heardy_101]

Honestly I think they should have earned that higher ranking, or at the very least, be the designated "home" team. Eddie would have no doubt pushed for that as well.

 

[Heardy_101]

This is why my local country league is so easy with their Grand Final policy

Top 4 system, QF, EF in the first week and PF in the second then the Grand Final.

1v2 in the QF, 1 is the home team, winner goes straight through to GF as the home team, loser goes through to PF as the home team.

3v4 in the EF, 3 is the home team but whoever wins from then on is the away team.

 

[lionbear]

Yes, but not often. The only time I can think of is from Round 14 2013 vs Geelong

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And I am sure there is a club announcement somewhere that this combo was scrapped as it bought bad luck

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

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[Lorenzo DMH]

What happens with jumpers/naming if a higher-ranked team is beaten by a lower-ranked team in the Qualifying Final, and the teams meet again in the Grand Final?

Current Policy: Untested, but likely still the Higher-Ranked team.

As yet, this situation has not happened under the current arrangement, so it cannot be said for sure either way. However Patrick Keane's tweet from 2018 stressed that rankings were determined after the final round of the season, so this suggests that there is no re-ranking during finals, and the team that finished higher on the ladder would still get the benefits. The most recent example of this situation occurring is 2006, where Sydney (4th) defeated West Coast (1st) in the 1st Qualifying Final, before the two sides met again in the Grand Final. Sydney were named first by virtue of winning the 1st Preliminary Final, while both sides wore their preferred uniform as there was no clash.

Just popping into this long dead thread because we finally have an answer to the above question for both the AFL men's and women's competitions:

• The in-finals ranking system has been codified to determine the 'home' club for Grand Finals in both the AFL and AFLW. The winners of the Qualifying Finals will be ranked first and second, the losers of the Qualifying Finals ranked third and fourth (the higher of the two clubs on the premiership ladder will be third) and the winners of the Elimination Finals ranked fifth and sixth (the higher of the two clubs on the premiership ladder will be fifth

From: Explained: All the new rule changes for the 2024 season

So if a team wins a qualifying final, as the away team while wearing their clash jumper, and then plays the same team on Grand Final day, they will be the ones wearing their home jumper, the AFL not suddenly changing there rules to a get a preferred outcome, not withstanding.

 

[Boyohboywowwee]

Just popping into this long dead thread because we finally have an answer to the above question for both the AFL men's and women's competitions:

• The in-finals ranking system has been codified to determine the 'home' club for Grand Finals in both the AFL and AFLW. The winners of the Qualifying Finals will be ranked first and second, the losers of the Qualifying Finals ranked third and fourth (the higher of the two clubs on the premiership ladder will be third) and the winners of the Elimination Finals ranked fifth and sixth (the higher of the two clubs on the premiership ladder will be fifth

From: Explained: All the new rule changes for the 2024 season

So if a team wins a qualifying final, as the away team while wearing their clash jumper, and then plays the same team on Grand Final day, they will be the ones wearing their home jumper, the AFL not suddenly changing there rules to a get a preferred outcome, not withstanding.

The way it should be. Saying that, since 2000 would this of changed the home team in previous grand finals?

 

[From The Pocket]

The way it should be. Saying that, since 2000 would this of changed the home team in previous grand finals?

2005 should've been West Coast vs Sydney as West Coast had the higher ladder position and won the QF between them, but Sydney was listed first as they won PF1.

In 2006, West Coast finished top of the ladder but lost the QF to Sydney, so could argue that it should've been a West Coast home game as the higher placed team but Sydney was listed first again.

I think they were tossing a coin to determine who'd have to wear white shorts (if anyone) and the idea of a home team in the Grand Final was largely irrelevant until 2010.

 

[Heardy_101]

Grand Final should be classed as a NEUTRAL game...

 

[BigChippa52]

Grand Final should be classed as a NEUTRAL game...

It is hard to do when it is played at the MCG, when a Non-Vic club plays a Vic club, the MCG is the best choice and it can't change they have always played it at the MCG besides COVID, if it is VIC v VIC then it is truly neutral, and clash jumpers are needed its not local footy, just encourages teams to win more games

 

[Heardy_101]

It is hard to do when it is played at the MCG, when a Non-Vic club plays a Vic club, the MCG is the best choice and it can't change they have always played it at the MCG besides COVID, if it is VIC v VIC then it is truly neutral, and clash jumpers are needed its not local footy, just encourages teams to win more games

I get that, but there's no need for this "home team / away team" crap the AFL churns out.

 

[Fizzler]

Grand Final should be classed as a NEUTRAL game...

I agree, but someone has to be listed first and it has to be consistently applied everywhere (media, record, historical archives). And there aren’t a whole lot of matchups where both teams can be in full home kits, you’d only really see it if one of Sydney or Gold Coast (not both) are playing, End of the day I think the higher ranked team makes more sense. People will complain that you don’t get much really for finishing top, at least first dibs at a grand final jumper is a good start.

 

[BigChippa52]

I get that, but there's no need for this "home team / away team" crap the AFL churns out.

agree on that but there's a disadvantage for a non-Vic team it still like an away game

 

[Boyohboywowwee]

I agree, but someone has to be listed first and it has to be consistently applied everywhere (media, record, historical archives). And there aren’t a whole lot of matchups where both teams can be in full home kits, you’d only really see it if one of Sydney or Gold Coast (not both) are playing, End of the day I think the higher ranked team makes more sense. People will complain that you don’t get much really for finishing top, at least first dibs at a grand final jumper is a good start.

100% spot on