The great blackout of 2016

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The government barely mentioned the South Australian blackout. While Turnbull drew cheers from his own side for talking about the Snowy 2.0 project, the report on the blackout was ignored. Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg did not even get a question about the report out from the Australian Energy Market Operator, issued hours before Question Time. The report settles the huge debate from last year about whether wind farms contributed to the blackout. Its finding on page 162 is clear: “the SA power system would have remained stable and interconnected if the Group A and B wind farms had ridden through all the six voltage disturbances.” It also says the problem has been fixed. So much for the vehement denials from Labor and the Greens about problems at the wind farms. The government says this vindicates its own claims, yet it did not bother making its argument in Question Time. With all eyes on Cyclone Debbie, the Coalition tactics committee was lost in a blackout
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Anyone that's thinking SA's power problems are over better think again...

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...tory/3229f43b1d46521dc16ebc27fc2ac952?login=1

SOUTH Australia is facing 125 days of power shortages over the next two years, and a high risk of summer blackouts, according to new data that has sparked urgent calls for action. Latest data from the Australian Energy Market Operator shows it expects SA to regularly run below reserve power levels starting from November, increasing the chance of forced blackouts. AEMO seeks to maintain a buffer of available supply in the energy system as insurance against unexpected failures, such as the Torrens Island fire this month that almost caused another statewide blackout. Its latest update shows SA eating into that buffer for 125 days in the next two years. That compares with 72 in Victoria, and none in the other states on the national grid.
AEMO says it hopes the market will respond to the new shortfall forecasts by bringing on more supply, or shifting planned maintenance away from danger days, to prevent forced blackouts. “Any low energy reserve conditions forecast are based on conservative estimates of supply and extreme weather conditions and do not translate to real energy shortfalls,” an AEMO spokesman said. “It also assumes an average level of network maintenance would occur. In reality, there would be no maintenance planned for a 40 plus degree day.” AEMO says it is attempting to make up for the closure of Victoria’s massive Hazelwood coal-fired power station by getting more power from other generators that have been switched off.
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kirky said:
You are a simplistic individual sometimes.

If the settings were correct we wouldn't have been blacked out - can you read? By all means spinning it the way you want it, but really we know it wasn't because of the actual wind farms.
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Is that like you can't read the post above yours?

"SOUTH Australia is facing 125 days of power shortages over the next two years, and a high risk of summer blackouts, according to new data that has sparked urgent calls for action. Latest data from the Australian Energy Market Operator shows it expects SA to regularly run below reserve power levels starting from November, increasing the chance of forced blackouts."
 
Elite Crow said:
So if we didn't have the wind farms we would have still been blacked out?
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No wonder old Jay & Tom didn't want the letter released..
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...t/news-story/023f495878ca721aef7cdd1864165e6c
Alinta offered to keep Port Augusta power station running for just $25 million from State Government

he owner of the now-defunct Port Augusta power station made a secret offer to keep generating electricity until mid-2018 in return for $25 million from the State Government — 22 times less than its $550 million power plan. Extensive details of Alinta Energy’s bid to subsidise the 520 megawatt Northern plant’s operation are revealed in a May, 2015, letter from the company to the Government.
Seizing on the explosive revelations, Opposition Leader Steven Marshall branded the rejection of an affordable deal to keep power prices down and prevent blackouts as the State Government’s biggest failure since the 1991 State Bank disaster. In the six-page letter supplied to The Advertiser by the Liberals, Alinta warns of significant risk to the security of South Australia’s power supply and a surge in electricity prices — costing the state $56 million to $112 million a year — if the power station and associated Leigh Creek brown coal mine were to close. Other sources have told The Advertiser that Alinta made another bid for $30 million to the government, which made a rejected counter-offer of only $8 million. Alinta then announced in June 2015 that it would close the station.
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The secret Alinta letter revealed also warned that closure of Flinders Power, which included the Northern power station and Leigh Creek, would trigger a $150 million annual blow to regional GDP and cost 450 jobs. The bulk of Alinta’s demand was for a 70 per cent subsidy of maintenance costs for the 250km Leigh Creek railway, which supplied brown coal to the power plant — equivalent to about $8 million over three years.
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kirky said:
You are a simplistic individual sometimes.

If the settings were correct we wouldn't have been blacked out - can you read? By all means spinning it the way you want it, but really we know it wasn't because of the actual wind farms.
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If we didn't have wind farms would we have cheaper more reliable electricity? This blackout is only a blip of our energy issues that this lefty *head government has created.
 
So a measly $8.33 Million per annum would have kept the Port Augusta Northern Power Station operating for another 3 years and likely staved off the blackout when the Wind Farms s**t themselves in September 16 not to mention the other lesser blackouts that occurred subsequently.... and not to mention the impending lack of generation events that AEMO is flagging for next summer and into the future.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...n/news-story/1c2c0c889dcaab8d0497054038b0a73d
Paul Starick: Alinta letter on cost to keep Port Augusta power station open could give Liberals the election

THIS is the document that Liberal leader Steven Marshall desperately hopes will make him Premier in March next year. It is, he believes, the smoking gun which exposes Premier Jay Weatherill’s rejection of an affordable deal to keep power prices down and prevent blackouts. Mr Marshall’s ambitions for the impact he hopes the letter will have are revealed in his claim that “this is the biggest failure of a State Government since the State Bank disaster” in 1991. That financial collapse triggered an overwhelming mood for change at the 1993 election, when Labor was thrown out after holding power since 1982. Mr Marshall wants to create a similar mood to obliterate a Labor regime in power for 15 years and counting. He is determined to sheet home the blame for statewide blackouts and high electricity prices to Mr Weatherill, alleging Labor has sold out South Australians with an ideological pursuit of renewable energy. This argument is bolstered by the $25 million cost over three years to keep the 520MW Port Augusta power plant generating electricity until mid-2018. The Liberals will push Mr Weatherill in parliament over coming days, contrasting the $25 million Alinta bid with his $550 million package headlined by a $360 million, government-owned gas-fired power plant and giant battery. They will argue Mr Weatherill was ideologically obsessed to the point where he would not extend the life of a coal-fired plant to enable the impact of its eventual closure on the SA power grid to be properly planned and dealt with. It is a battering ram desperately needed by the Liberals, despite an electoral boundary redraw which has installed them as favourites to win the next election, on March 17 next year.
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Bicks said:
So a measly $8.33 Million per annum would have kept the Port Augusta Northern Power Station operating for another 3 years and likely staved off the blackout when the Wind Farms s**t themselves in September 16 not to mention the other lesser blackouts that occurred subsequently.... and not to mention the impending lack of generation events that AEMO is flagging for next summer and into the future.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...n/news-story/1c2c0c889dcaab8d0497054038b0a73d
Paul Starick: Alinta letter on cost to keep Port Augusta power station open could give Liberals the election
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No only that, it wouldn't have decimated Port Augusta.
 
Oh dear..

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...k=985d84a8f0631c7093e44f22d0be7916-1490765177

Details emerge of Alinta offer to keep SA’s last coal-fired power station open

When The Australian a fortnight ago asked the Premier about Alinta’s $25m offer to remain open, he flatly denied it. The Premier had called a news conference on March 15 at Adelaide Airport to inspect a rooftop solar array for television news cameras and promote his new $550m “self-sufficient” energy plan that included a new $360m gas-fired power plant to stabilise the state’s wind-reliant grid.
Mr Weatherill was asked by The Australian why the government had rejected an offer from Alinta to run Northern for up to five years for a “very modest sum” of “between $25m and $27m”. “No we didn’t,” the Premier said. “We didn’t, that’s just not accurate. We’ve never been offered anything from Alinta.”
Pressed further, Mr Weatherill continued to deny it. “That’s not accurate, that’s simply just not accurate. That’s a false piece of information you’ve just promoted.” Asked how much Alinta sought in return to keeping Northern open, the Premier said: “They have never offered anything that meets our needs.”
The Premier is expected to face further scrutiny over his repeated public denials of Alinta’s offer this afternoon in Question Time. Asked a third time if Alinta sought “to keep operating for a modest subsidy from the state government”, Mr Weatherill said: “No.”
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Port Augusta folk furious but hey it's not an ALP held seat so Jay and Tom don't give a stuff.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...n/news-story/21338ee617ba830a6d9f91e3464ae435
Port Augusta furious after revelation State Government could have kept Alinta-owned power station open for $25 million
Erin Jones, The Advertiser
THE Port Augusta community is in disbelief that hundreds of jobs lost in the town could have been saved if the State Government had accepted an offer to keep Alinta Energy’s power station open. Residents say it was a “kick in the guts” to learn, via The Advertiser, that the Government had rejected Alinta’s offer to generate electricity until mid-2018, in return for $25 million — then kept it secret from the town and taxpayers. The city’s angry mayor Sam Johnson said the revelations showed the Government had played politics with people’s lives. Hundreds of people lost their jobs, families left town and several businesses closed their doors as a result of the town’s largest employer closing in May last year. The Advertiser on Tuesday revealed Alinta had made the offer in 2015 and had warned the state’s power supply was at risk and electricity prices would surge if the power station and Leigh Creek coal mine closed. Twins Brett and Matthew Prentis worked at the power station for a combined 62 years and were shocked to hear the Government knew all of the risks of the station closure.
“Anyone that has any idea about generation knew if the base-load coal-fire power station closed down, you’re going to have trouble,” Brett said.
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Bicks said:
Port Augusta folk furious but hey it's not an ALP held seat so Jay and Tom don't give a stuff.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...n/news-story/21338ee617ba830a6d9f91e3464ae435
Port Augusta furious after revelation State Government could have kept Alinta-owned power station open for $25 million
Erin Jones, The Advertiser
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Is the sitting member that independent who backed Labor to form government? If it is, he'd feel a little foolish now.

He should pull his support and with the Labor woman who is going rogue they could bring the government down and kick them out early.
 
Elite Crow said:
Is the sitting member that independent who backed Labor to form government? If it is, he'd feel a little foolish now.

He should pull his support and with the Labor woman who is going rogue they could bring the government down and kick them out early.
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Nah that's that Jeff Brock fellow from Pirie that pissed off his electorate Tony Windsor style when he supported Labor against the wishes of the voters, Port Augusta is the seat of Stuart sitting member is Dan Van Holst Lib seat since 1997.
 
Bicks said:
Nah that's that Jeff Brock fellow from Pirie that pissed off his electorate Tony Windsor style when he supported Labor against the wishes of the voters, Port Augusta is the seat of Stuart sitting member is Dan Van Holst Lib seat since 1997.
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I hope Port Augustas neighbours send a message next election
 
Bicks said:
Port Augusta folk furious but hey it's not an ALP held seat so Jay and Tom don't give a stuff.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...n/news-story/21338ee617ba830a6d9f91e3464ae435
Port Augusta furious after revelation State Government could have kept Alinta-owned power station open for $25 million
Erin Jones, The Advertiser
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I swear on Leon Byner this morning they said Alinta even offered to waive the $25m

I'll try find it

Also they were going to retrofit it to a gas conversion
 
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