NWO/Illuminati The Great Reset

[Malifice]

Pandemic

Lebbo, leaving aside your madness re COVID, do you agree the recent HIV, SARS, Ebola, Zika and Bird/ Swine flu pandemics were real and happened?

 

[Lebbo73]

Lebbo, leaving aside your madness re COVID, do you agree the recent HIV, SARS, Ebola, Zika and Bird/ Swine flu pandemics were real and happened?

Ebola and SARS were a deliberate attack on Africans along with HIV to slow population growth. We know what Gates did to destroy fertility rates. We’re seeing this again.
Forgetting HIV but AIDS was caused by drugs that destroyed a person’s immune system after they were told they had this virus. Fauci was involved back then with a poisonous drug that was administered to patients after a faulty test said they’re HIV positive. There was nothing wrong with most of them.
They’re using Remdesivir now on Covid19 patients in hospital to shut down their airways and kill people. Most of the medical staff don’t know what they’re doing and those that do are paid off, silenced and/or sacked.

 

[Malifice]

Ebola and SARS were a deliberate attack on Africans along with HIV to slow population growth. We know what Gates did to destroy fertility rates. We’re seeing this again.
Forgetting HIV but AIDS was caused by drugs that destroyed a person’s immune system after they were told they had this virus. Fauci was involved back then with a poisonous drug that was administered to patients after a faulty test said they’re HIV positive. There was nothing wrong with most of them.

So all of the recent global pandemics (HIV, SARS, Zika, Swine Flu, COVID) were simply plots by the Jew.. err 'globalists, Hollywood elites and financiers' (and Bill Gates) to 'slow population growth' of the other races?

They’re using Remdesivir now on Covid19 patients in hospital to shut down their airways and kill people. Most of the medical staff don’t know what they’re doing and those that do are paid off, silenced and/or sacked.

And now the 'globalists and financiers' (and Gates) have deceived the worlds medical and scientific community to engage in murdering patients with a drug by the tens of thousands, that 'they' have convinced everyone is safe and effective, by falsifying medical journal articles, clinical trials and so forth?

This is what you think is actually happening? This is how you think the world actually works?

 

[Lebbo73]

So all of the recent global pandemics (HIV, SARS, Zika, Swine Flu, COVID) were simply plots by the Jew.. err 'globalists, Hollywood elites and financiers' (and Bill Gates) to 'slow population growth' of the other races?



And now the 'globalists and financiers' (and Gates) have deceived the worlds medical and scientific community to engage in murdering patients with a drug by the tens of thousands, that 'they' have convinced everyone is safe and effective, by falsifying medical journal articles, clinical trials and so forth?

This is what you think is actually happening? This is how you think the world actually works?

Don’t act dumb. This site is censored. The news is censored. Opposing experts are silenced while your grifter scientists

 

[BlueE]

Lol. Australia is not bound to comply with any treaty, even if we enter into one, and barring few exceptions it creates no domestic obligations either (unless passed into Domestic law).

All this 'treaty' does is create a framework for nations to more effectively work together to combat pandemics and incentivize reporting of potential pandemics, whereby the WHO agree to give money to those that report them (or refuse to give money to those that hide them).

What's your problem with this? You think nations shouldnt co-operate with each other to deal with pandemics?

And it will take the Uni party 5 minutes to pass legislation for the "pandemic preparedness" treaty, I think we've already agreed to.

Doesn't it set off alarm bells to have unelected officials like the Marxist Ethiopian in charge of the WHO able to declare a state of global emergency to prevent a potential pandemic, not in response to an actual event with incentivised reporting of pandemics and punishment for non compliance?

As Knightly says "Far from preventing “future pandemics”, they would actively encourage them."

To move on with the treaty, WHO needs to be empowered — financially, and politically.

It recommends the involvement of “non-state actors” such as the World Bank, International Monetary Fund, World Trade Organisation and International Labour Organisation in the negotiations, and suggests the treaty offer financial incentives for the early reporting of “health emergencies”

[The treaty should possess] An adaptable incentive regime, [including] sanctions such as public reprimands, economic sanctions, or denial of benefits.

We already know the other key points likely to be included in a pandemic treaty. They will almost certainly try to introduce international vaccine passports, and pour funding into big Pharma’s pockets to produce “vaccines” even faster with even less safety testing.

But all of that could pale in comparison to the legal powers potentially being handed to the director-general of the WHO (or whatever new “independent” body they may decide to create) to punish, rebuke or reward national governments.

A “Pandemic Treaty” that overrides or overrules national or local governments would hand supranational powers to an unelected bureaucrat or “expert”, who could exercise them entirely at his own discretion and on completely subjective criteria.

This is the very definition of technocratic globalism.

“Pandemic Treaty” will hand WHO keys to global government

The first public hearings on the proposed “Pandemic Treaty” are closed, with the next round due to start in mid-June. We’ve been trying to keep this issue on our front page, entir…

off-guardian.org

 

[BlueE]

Ebola and SARS were a deliberate attack on Africans along with HIV to slow population growth. We know what Gates did to destroy fertility rates. We’re seeing this again.
Forgetting HIV but AIDS was caused by drugs that destroyed a person’s immune system after they were told they had this virus. Fauci was involved back then with a poisonous drug that was administered to patients after a faulty test said they’re HIV positive. There was nothing wrong with most of them.
They’re using Remdesivir now on Covid19 patients in hospital to shut down their airways and kill people. Most of the medical staff don’t know what they’re doing and those that do are paid off, silenced and/or sacked.

Very good example was the 1976 "swine flu" fake pandemic that was exposed as nothing more than a bad flu by scientists. It was when some main stream journalists like Mike Wallace of 60 min still had integrity. Similar with the 2009 "flu pandemic" with adverse events and 53 world wide deaths from vaccines, for something the WHO had to change the definition of a pandemic to allow rushed emergency use approval of poorly tested vaccines.

Big Pharma not only got more journalists, scientists and regulatory authorities in it's pocket this time around, it got exemptions for injuries and deaths caused by it's vaccines it didn't have for the swine flu vaccines and got the WHO to reclassify COVID-19 as a cause of death even though flu, pneumonia, respiratory or other conditions were present.

 

[Malifice]

Doesn't it set off alarm bells to have unelected officials like the Marxist Ethiopian in charge of the WHO able to declare a state of global emergency to prevent a potential pandemic, not in response to an actual event with incentivised reporting of pandemics and punishment for non compliance?

No, quite the opposite.

Having an independent Global Health Agency being able to co-ordinate Global responses to pandemics, capable of killing literally tens of millions (if not more) seems like a fantastic thing.

Pandemics are real things mate. 15 million real people died (to date) in just the most recent one, let alone adding Ebola, HIV, SARS, Zika, the Spanish Flu and whatever else to the mix.

I know you want to try and find some kind of 'Evil masterminds' behind a tragedy of such horrific scale, just so the whole thing makes sense to you, but there is not one. It's a disease. It killed a lot of people, with millions of those lives unnecessarily lost due to poor national responses, the spreading of misinformation and conspiracy theories (like the bullshit you peddle), vaccine hesitancy and madness.

 

[zill]

No, quite the opposite.

Having an independent Global Health Agency being able to co-ordinate Global responses to pandemics, capable of killing literally tens of millions (if not more) seems like a fantastic thing.

Pandemics are real things mate. 15 million real people died (to date) in just the most recent one, let alone adding Ebola, HIV, SARS, Zika, the Spanish Flu and whatever else to the mix.

I know you want to try and find some kind of 'Evil masterminds' behind a tragedy of such horrific scale, just so the whole thing makes sense to you, but there is not one. It's a disease. It killed a lot of people, with millions of those lives unnecessarily lost due to poor national responses, the spreading of misinformation and conspiracy theories (like the bullshit you peddle), vaccine hesitancy and madness.

Where are you pulling that 15M number from? We have literally had murder victims being chalked up as covid deaths.

And how independent is the WHO? Tedros covered-up a cholera outbreak in Ethiopia when he was health minister, doesn't exactly scream "scientist you can trust" to me.

 

[Malifice]

Where are you pulling that 15M number from? We have literally had murder victims being chalked up as covid deaths.

And how independent is the WHO? Tedros covered-up a cholera outbreak in Ethiopia when he was health minister, doesn't exactly scream "scientist you can trust" to me.

WHO says COVID-19 deaths are almost 15 million, more than double official figures

Scientists tasked by WHO with calculating the actual number of COVID-19 deaths between January 2020 and the end of last year estimated there were between 13.3 million and 16.6 million deaths that were either caused directly by the coronavirus or were somehow attributed to the pandemic's impact on health systems. One example was people with cancer unable to seek treatment when hospitals were full of COVID-19 patients.

The figures are based on country-reported data and statistical modelling but only about half of countries provided information.

Those figures also match the excess deaths very closely of the countries surveyed.

America alone (330 million population) has around 1 million official COVID deaths (not counting people who died as a consequence by being unable to get treatment in time due to hospital pressure).

India has less 'official' deaths of course, but the true Indian death toll is likely at least 10 times what is officially recorded there (most people would just burn dead relatives on the street, or toss them in the Ganges).

 

[zill]

WHO says COVID-19 deaths are almost 15 million, more than double official figures





Those figures also match the excess deaths very closely of the countries surveyed.

America alone (330 million population) has around 1 million official COVID deaths (not counting people who died as a consequence by being unable to get treatment in time due to hospital pressure).

India has less 'official' deaths of course, but the true Indian death toll is likely at least 10 times what is officially recorded there (most people would just burn dead relatives on the street, or toss them in the Ganges).

Yes the lockdowns have had a significant impact on healthcare. Do these numbers include people forced into poverty by the insanity unleashed over the last few years? We already know that the deaths classed as "covid" were greatly exagerrated, with murders being counted as covid deaths. So the vast majority of deaths can be attributed to things that you pointed out, like cancer patients unable to get treatment. It's disingenuous to include them as covid deaths though. However, if those cancer patients died within 30 days of a covid positive test, or were even just showing symptoms (like a runny nose) they were included as covid deaths.

 

[Malifice]

Yes the lockdowns have had a significant impact on healthcare.

That's not what it says. It says that in addition to the official numbers of COVID dead, there are additional deaths:

1) From COVID, that went unreported (India, Latin America most of Africa etc)
2) From other diseases, that people were unable to get treatment for, due to the pressures on the Hospital and health system as a consequence of COVID.

It mentions nothing about 'lockdowns' (although they had effects, likely increased suicide and family violence rates).

 

[Lebbo73]

WHO says COVID-19 deaths are almost 15 million, more than double official figures





Those figures also match the excess deaths very closely of the countries surveyed.

America alone (330 million population) has around 1 million official COVID deaths (not counting people who died as a consequence by being unable to get treatment in time due to hospital pressure).

India has less 'official' deaths of course, but the true Indian death toll is likely at least 10 times what is officially recorded there (most people would just burn dead relatives on the street, or toss them in the Ganges).

That’s nearly triple the greatly inflated official figure. With accusations from you of us being Anti-Semitic, Nazis, racists, etc you’re getting desperate.

 

[Malifice]

With accusations from you of us being Anti-Semitic, Nazis, racists, etc you’re getting desperate.

You are all three though. You've been cheerleading them on since you got here.

 

[zill]

That's not what it says. It says that in addition to the official numbers of COVID dead, there are additional deaths:

1) From COVID, that went unreported (India, Latin America most of Africa etc)
2) From other diseases, that people were unable to get treatment for, due to the pressures on the Hospital and health system as a consequence of COVID.

It mentions nothing about 'lockdowns' (although they had effects, likely increased suicide and family violence rates).

Obviously it was the lockdowns that played a part in decreases in healthcare. We cancelled surgeries and appointments here even with zero covid cases. And once again, covid deaths were exaggerated. Murders being counted as covid deaths doesn't say pandemic to me, it says bureaucracy gone mad.

 

[Malifice]

Murders being counted as covid deaths.

Facepalm.

If this happened, it happened like once, out of literally millions of deaths, and even then, it was reported.

You see millions of reported and verified COVID deaths - did not happen.
One **** up where a death was falsely reported by mistake - that explains it!

Jesus Christ. You'll twist reality into all sorts of knots to try and make it fit into your warped thinking wont you?

 

[zill]

Facepalm.

If this happened, it happened like once, out of literally millions of deaths, and even then, it was reported.

You see millions of reported and verified COVID deaths - did not happen.
One fu** up where a death was falsely reported by mistake - that explains it!

Jesus Christ. You'll twist reality into all sorts of knots to try and make it fit into your warped thinking wont you?

It wasn't a mistake. There was a press conference and they explained why he was counted as a covid death. Because there is a set of parameters set out as to what constitutes a covid death. This was set out by the WHO. You are the one twisting reality to fit your warped thinking, and when it is explained to you how the numbers are exaggerated you double down and start looking for other ways to manipulate the numbers further.

 

[Malifice]

It wasn't a mistake. There was a press conference and they explained why he was counted as a covid death. Because there is a set of parameters set out as to what constitutes a covid death.

You're full of shit and have been sucked in by misinformation and fake news. Here are the WHO rules:

A- RECORDING COVID-19 ON THE MEDICAL CERTIFICATE OF CAUSE OF DEATH

COVID-19 should be recorded on the medical certificate of cause of death for ALL decedents where the disease caused, or is assumed to have caused, or contributed to death.

https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/defa...200420-en.pdf?sfvrsn=35fdd864_2&download=true

So anyone who listed a murder (which clearly was not caused by COVID, or could be assumed to be caused by COVID or have COVID contribute to the victims death in any way) as a COVID death, was making a mistake.

 

[zill]

You are wrong. A simple google search would tell you so.

New Lynn shooting victim was positive for Covid-19

Robert James Hart tested positive for the virus after his death in New Lynn.

www.1news.co.nz

 

[Malifice]

You are wrong. A simple google search would tell you so.

New Lynn shooting victim was positive for Covid-19

Robert James Hart tested positive for the virus after his death in New Lynn.

www.1news.co.nz

The New Zealand authorities made a mistake. The WHO guidelines explicitly say NOT to treat that as a COVID death.

https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/defa...200420-en.pdf?sfvrsn=35fdd864_2&download=true

WHO rules:

COVID-19 should be recorded on the medical certificate of cause of death for ALL decedents where the disease caused, or is assumed to have caused, or contributed to death.

Did COVID cause, is possible to be assumed to have caused, or did it contribute to, this persons death?

Clearly the answer is 'No' so the NZ authorities made a mistake.

It's not a case of the WHO telling people to record murders as COVID deaths mate. It's a case of a single **** up by the Kiwis, that then made world news, and gave anti-vaxx cookers some shit to make wild fake claims like 'these are the WHO rules' etc.

 

[zill]

So anyone who listed a murder (which clearly was not caused by COVID, or could be assumed to be caused by COVID or have COVID contribute to the victims death in any way) as a COVID death, was making a mistake.

Yet someone who dies of cancer or a heart attack will be counted. Absolutely dishonest to be claiming that numbers haven't been exaggerated. An actual pandemic would be claiming the lives of young, healthy people. You've been sucked into the fear mongering and seem intent to cling onto it for some reason.

 

[zill]

The New Zealand authorities made a mistake. The WHO guidelines explicitly say NOT to treat that as a COVID death.

https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/defa...200420-en.pdf?sfvrsn=35fdd864_2&download=true

WHO rules:

COVID-19 should be recorded on the medical certificate of cause of death for ALL decedents where the disease caused, or is assumed to have caused, or contributed to death.

Did COVID cause, is possible to be assumed to have caused, or did it contribute to, this persons death?

Clearly the answer is 'No' so the NZ authorities made a mistake.

Just read the article. The murder is an extreme case, an 80 year old dying of cancer or heart attack who also happens to have covid doesn't constitute a pandemic. The numbers are grossly inflated.

 

[Malifice]

Yet someone who dies of cancer or a heart attack will be counted.

Yeah, in cases where COVID likely contributed to that persons death. Most old people went out that way (got weakened with COVID, then a stroke or heart attack finished them off)

Like how you cookers are now screaming 'VACCINE DEATH' when any famous person has a heart attack or heart issue, despite there being no data showing any increase in heart disease or heart attack deaths, following on from literally billions of vaccine doses given.

 

[zill]

Yeah, in cases where COVID likely contributed to that persons death. Most old people went out that way (got weakened with COVID, then a stroke or heart attack finished them off)

Like how you cookers are now screaming 'VACCINE DEATH' when any famous person has a heart attack or heart issue, despite there being no data showing any increase in heart disease or heart attack deaths, following on from literally billions of vaccine doses given.

Or they just happenewd to have covid at the time of death, or caught in hospital. They only have to assume that covid contributed. There's no data on any of this either. I noticed when the vaccine % got high enough they started reporting all the fully vaccinated deaths with the caveat "they had serious comorbidities." Like I said it is dishonest.

 

[Malifice]

Just read the article. The murder is an extreme case.

It's a singular case, and a mistake. A self evident mistake, that even you can see was a mistake, by looking at the WHO guidelines and using your own brain.

Among literally millions of accurate records, and millions more that were not counted but should have been (many of which happened in Latin America, India and Africa).

There is an excess death toll in the tens of millions, that just happens to coincide with COVID, which was also seeing our hospitals overwhelmed (or near to it), mass graves being dug from New York to Brazil, and people being burnt en masse in the streets of India.

And you focus on a single mistake, and be all like 'must be fake'?

You're cooked.

 

[Malifice]

Or they just happenewd to have covid at the time of death, or caught in hospital. They only have to assume that covid contributed. There's no data on any of this either. I noticed when the vaccine % got high enough they started reporting all the fully vaccinated deaths with the caveat "they had serious comorbidities." Like I said it is dishonest.

They apply the exact same criterion to the vaccinated deaths

Notice how when vaccination numbers went up, deaths went down?

Same criterion applied.