NWO/Illuminati The Great Reset

[Lebbo73]

You are all three though. You've been cheerleading them on since you got here.

Geez Mal, give this crap a rest. You’re losing it.

 

[Malifice]

Geez Mal, give this crap a rest. You’re losing it.

I've literally seen you post in support of all three. That's why you're quarantined off here.

 

[Lebbo73]

Just read the article. The murder is an extreme case, an 80 year old dying of cancer or heart attack who also happens to have covid doesn't constitute a pandemic. The numbers are grossly inflated.

If it was such a pandemic the homeless would’ve been dying in the streets. The MSM would’ve have been televising it everywhere.

 

[Lebbo73]

I've literally seen you post in support of all three. That's why you're quarantined off here.

Any proof? I’m quarantined because I spread the truth about Maxine.

 

[Malifice]

I’m quarantined because I spread the truth about Maxine.

If that helps, yeah sure.

 

[zill]

It's a singular case, and a mistake. A self evident mistake, that even you can see was a mistake, by looking at the WHO guidelines and using your own brain.

Among literally millions of accurate records, and millions more that were not counted but should have been (many of which happened in Latin America, India and Africa).

There is an excess death toll in the tens of millions, that just happens to coincide with COVID, which was also seeing our hospitals overwhelmed (or near to it), mass graves being dug from New York to Brazil, and people being burnt en masse in the streets of India.

And you focus on a single mistake, and be all like 'must be fake'?

You're cooked.

Once again, read the article. It is explained why it was counted as a covid death, due to updated defininitions from the WHO.

You're the one clutching at straws, claiming 10's of millions of uncounted covid deaths. The WA hospitals were overwhelmed when there was zero cases in the state, should any of the people who couldn't get the care they needed be counted as a covid death? That is what you are advocating in your spurioys claim of 10's of millions of uncounted deaths.

 

[Malifice]

Once again, read the article. It is explained why it was counted as a covid death, due to updated defininitions from the WHO.

Which was a mistake by the Kiwis. I literally just posted the WHO guidelines for gods sake, and twice.

Read those guidelines, and you tell me if it was a COVID death, under those guidelines.

 

[BlueE]

Where are you pulling that 15M number from? We have literally had murder victims being chalked up as covid deaths.

And how independent is the WHO? Tedros covered-up a cholera outbreak in Ethiopia when he was health minister, doesn't exactly scream "scientist you can trust" to me.

WHO unelected officials beholden to financial sponsors will be able to force global measures like vaccines, vaccine passports, masks, social distancing no matter what individual countries circumstances are, not based on science but on their perception of what potentially might be a pandemic. Helped of course by

“Pandemic Treaty” will hand WHO keys to global government

The first public hearings on the proposed “Pandemic Treaty” are closed, with the next round due to start in mid-June. We’ve been trying to keep this issue on our front page, entir…

off-guardian.org

"We have already seen the WHO abuse these powers in order to create a fake pandemic out of thin air…and I’m not talking about covid.

Prior to 2008, the WHO could only declare an influenza pandemic if there were “enormous numbers of deaths and illness” AND there was a new and distinct subtype. In 2008 the WHO loosened the definition of “influenza pandemic” to remove these two conditions.

As a 2010 letter to the British Medical Journal pointed out, these changes meant “many seasonal flu viruses could be classified as pandemic influenza.”

If the WHO had not made those changes, the 2009 "Swine flu outbreak" could never have been called a pandemic, and would likely have passed without notice.

Instead, dozens of countries spent millions upon millions of dollars on swine flu vaccines they did not need and did not work, to fight a “pandemic” that resulted in fewer than 20,000 deaths. Many of those responsible for advising the WHO to declare swine flu a public health emergency were later shown to have financial ties to vaccine manufacturers."

Where is the pandemic in Africa that has very low vaccination rate of around 20% and low death rates? Very likely protected by therapeutic use of medicines and other treatments.

From the very beginning in the US deaths from COVID-19 increased as deaths from other causes decreased. There were financial incentives for hospitals to diagnose COVID, reliance on treatments with high death rates and banning of safe and effective protective treatments has one of the worst responses in the world.

A very good model in fact for what the WHO "pandemic treaty" wants to force on the global governments.

 

[BlueE]

Which was a mistake by the Kiwis. I literally just posted the WHO guidelines for gods sake, and twice.

Read those guidelines, and you tell me if it was a COVID death, under those guidelines.

It wasn't the only "mistake", as many governments around the world admitted they certified every death within 30 days of a COVID -19 diagnosis as being caused by COVID-19. Some even stretched it to 60 days.

Every accident, shooting, or whether any comorbidity could have caused the death as long as there was also a COVID-19 positive test as well.

US, UK and Sweden admitted they used this classification. The UK and US has gone back and looked at the actual causes of death from COVID-19 with no other comorbidities was around 6% of what they recorded were actually deaths caused by COVID-19.

Sweden analyzed "all cause" deaths and found no difference per 100,000 of population compared to the average of the last five years.

 

[zill]

Which was a mistake by the Kiwis. I literally just posted the WHO guidelines for gods sake, and twice.

Read those guidelines, and you tell me if it was a COVID death, under those guidelines.

Wow you are spectacularly dense. It was a basic article, what part of it couldn't you understand?

"The clinical criteria will continue to be guided by WHO definition which is basically to report any death where the person had an acute Covid-19 infection regardless of what the cause of death might be," Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield told RNZ.

New Lynn shooting victim was positive for Covid-19

Robert James Hart tested positive for the virus after his death in New Lynn.

www.1news.co.nz

 

[Malifice]

It wasn't the only "mistake", as many governments around the world admitted they certified every death within 30 days of a COVID -19 diagnosis as being caused by COVID-19. Some even stretched it to 60 days.

Im sure there were other mistakes. Im equally sure that all of central Africa, large swathes of Asia, India, and Latin America grossly underreported official deaths on a scale that utterly dwarfs those mistakes.

In other words, the actual death toll from COVID is almost certainly far higher than the 'official' toll, and this is a position that is backed up by overwhelming global scientific consensus.

 

[Malifice]

Wow you are spectacularly dense. It was a basic article, what part of it couldn't you understand?

"The clinical criteria will continue to be guided by WHO definition which is basically to report any death where the person had an acute Covid-19 infection regardless of what the cause of death might be," Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield told RNZ.

New Lynn shooting victim was positive for Covid-19

Robert James Hart tested positive for the virus after his death in New Lynn.

www.1news.co.nz

Oh my God you nonce, I know what Ashley Bloomfield said. I'm saying he made a mistake, and what he is saying is wrong.

I literally posted the WHO guidelines for you. Read them for me and tell me, with respect to a murder victim who dies with COVID:

1) Is the Kiwi Doctor correct in his interpretation of those guidelines by classifying that death as a COVID death, or

2) Is he wrong?

Do you understand. I get that this death was listed as a COVID death. Im saying it should not have been, the WHO guidelines clearly say as much, and the Kiwi doctor here made a mistake.

 

[zill]

Im sure there were other mistakes. Im equally sure that all of central Africa, large swathes of Asia, India, and Latin America grossly underreported official deaths on a scale that utterly dwarfs those mistakes.

In other words, the actual death toll from COVID is almost certainly far higher than the 'official' toll, and this is a position that is backed up by overwhelming global scientific consensus.

You have nothing at all to back up that assertion. Look at what the NZ Director - General of health has to say about it. He knows more about reporting criteria than you.

 

[zill]

Oh my God you nonce, I know what Ashley Bloomfield said. I'm saying he made a mistake, and what he is saying is wrong.

I literally posted the WHO guidelines for you. Read them for me and tell me, with respect to a murder victim who dies with COVID:

1) Is the Kiwi Doctor correct in his interpretation of those guidelines by classifying that death as a COVID death, or

2) Is he wrong?

Do you understand. I get that this death was listed as a COVID death. Im saying it should not have been, the WHO guidelines clearly say as much, and the Kiwi doctor here made a mistake.

Once again you are wrong. Link the current guidelines from the WHO, the one you linked is from over 2 years ago. If the top health official in NZ is saying one thing and you another, I know who I am going to listen to when it comes to death criteria.

 

[Malifice]

You have nothing at all to back up that assertion.

I have overwhelming scientific consensus backing up that assertion.

Several of the countries identified by the IHME study as having greatly underreported covid deaths are those that have frequently been accused of undercounting by local media and doctors. Egypt, India, Mexico, and Russia figure prominently in such reports.

The IHME study gives India’s covid death toll up to May as 654 395, which is 2.96 times the official figure. Mexico is attributed 617 127 covid deaths, 2.83 times the official figure. In Egypt, the researchers estimate 170 041 deaths, which is 12.6 times the official figure. Russia has the largest number of unreported covid deaths, they estimate, with a real death toll of 593 610, which is 5.43 times the official estimate.

While some governments may attribute deaths in covid patients to comorbid conditions to keep their numbers low, the commonest reason for underreporting of covid deaths is inadequate testing, IHME’s director Chris Murray told a media conference.

Countries with relatively accurate covid death reporting included Argentina, Australia, China, France, and Sweden, the researchers found. Turkey and Brazil are often accused of undercounting, but both were reporting more than half of their covid deaths. Many countries of central and eastern Europe were reporting only one death in three, a ratio also seen across sub-Saharan Africa. The worst undercounts were found in the Caucuses and former Soviet republics.

Covid-19: Study claims real global deaths are twice official figures

Although reported COVID-19 deaths between Jan 1, 2020, and Dec 31, 2021, totalled 5·94 million worldwide, we estimate that 18·2 million (95% uncertainty interval 17·1–19·6) people died worldwide because of the COVID-19 pandemic (as measured by excess mortality) over that period.

DEFINE_ME

Evidence for widespread underascertainment of covid-19 deaths come from various sources. Excess death statistics (total mortality compared with baselines from previous years) have been widely used since the beginning of the pandemic. Although the proportion of excess deaths caused by covid-19 or indirect effects of the pandemic remains uncertain, excess mortality is often viewed as a more objective indicator of the pandemic death toll than officially reported deaths from covid-19.

Modelling of excess mortality trends suggests that at least half of covid-19 deaths have been missed globally and, at worst, 75%

Under-reporting of deaths limits our understanding of true burden of covid-19

In 2020, 51 countries reported 3,140 more deaths on average than they typically see in a year, the research shows. COVID likely caused that lethal spike, but government officials didn’t link these unexplained deaths with the disease, according to a team of Harvard Business School researchers.

In fact, the number of actual deaths in some countries, like Ecuador and Bolivia, was more than triple the number reported, representing tens of thousands of losses that were never attributed to the pandemic. And the United States saw the highest number of unexplained deaths in 2020: a total of 50,876, the research shows.

“We were shocked by the magnitude of what we were seeing,” says Ethan Rouen, an assistant professor in the Accounting and Management Unit at Harvard.

Why COVID-19 Probably Killed More People Than We Realize

As COVID has spread around the world, people have become grimly familiar with the death tolls that their governments publish each day. Unfortunately, the total number of fatalities caused by the pandemic may be even higher, for several reasons.

In India, for example, our estimates suggest that perhaps 2.3m people had died from covid-19 by the start of May 2021, compared with about 200,000 official deaths.

Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries

Last year’s Day of the Dead marked a grim milestone. On 1 November, the global death toll from the COVID-19 pandemic passed 5 million, official data suggested. It has now reached 5.5 million. But that figure is a significant underestimate. Records of excess mortality — a metric that involves comparing all deaths recorded with those expected to occur — show many more people than this have died in the pandemic.

Demographers, data scientists and public-health experts are striving to narrow the uncertainties for a global estimate of pandemic deaths. These efforts, from both academics and journalists, use methods ranging from satellite images of cemeteries to door-to-door surveys and machine-learning computer models that try to extrapolate global estimates from available data.

Among these models... The Economist magazine in London has used a machine-learning approach to produce an estimate of 12 million to 22 million excess deaths — or between 2 and 4 times the pandemic’s official toll so far

The pandemic’s true death toll: millions more than official counts

I could post hundreds more for you if you want. From Harvard, international health monitoring agencies, the Lancet and other medical journals.

All of them, overwhelmingly state, using various data points and evidence, that the true COVID death toll is vastly underreported, and is in excess of well over 10 million.

Stop right here. Stop and read them. For the love of God stop and ****ing read them.

 

[Malifice]

Once again you are wrong. Link the current guidelines from the WHO, the one you linked is from over 2 years ago.

Yes, it's the WHO guidelines from 2020, so it predates the murder (which happened in 2021).

Here again, from 2021, where the WHO have clarified even further:

A death due to COVID-19 is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID disease (e.g. trauma). There should be no period of complete recovery from COVID-19 between illness and death. A death due to COVID-19 may not be attributed to another disease (e.g. cancer) and should be counted independently of preexisting conditions that are suspected of triggering a severe course of COVID-19. COVID-19 should be recorded on the medical certificate of cause of death for ALL decedents where the disease caused, or is assumed to have caused, or contributed to death (WHO 2020, 3).

COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death: disentangling facts and values - History and Philosophy of the Life Sciences

The Kiwi doctor ****ed up. The guidelines from the WHO are clear as day. A murder does not count as a COVID death, even if the victim was literally on a ventilator and life support from a COVID infection, at the time he was shot.

 

[zill]

I have overwhelming scientific consensus backing up that assertion.



Covid-19: Study claims real global deaths are twice official figures



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Under-reporting of deaths limits our understanding of true burden of covid-19



Why COVID-19 Probably Killed More People Than We Realize



Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries



The pandemic’s true death toll: millions more than official counts

I could post hundreds more for you if you want. From Harvard, international health monitoring agencies, the Lancet and other medical journals.

All of them, overwhelmingly state, using various data points and evidence, that the true COVID death toll is vastly underreported, and is in excess of well over 10 million.

Stop right here. Stop and read them. For the love of God stop and ******* read them.

So if we have all these extra deaths, why hasn't the death toll over the last 2 years seen a massive spike? Is it because conditions that people would have died from anyway were ignored in favour of citing covid as the cause of death?

 

[BlueE]

Yes, it's the WHO guidelines from 2020, so it predates the murder (which happened in 2021).

Here again, from 2021, where the WHO have clarified even further:



COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death: disentangling facts and values - History and Philosophy of the Life Sciences

The Kiwi doctor f’ed up. The guidelines from the WHO are clear as day. A murder does not count as a COVID death, even if the victim was literally on a ventilator and life support from a COVID infection, at the time he was shot.

Many countries did the same and confirmed by Kiwi Dr. Most went back to reclassify, which I expect the Kiwis would do as well. This has caused the US, Uk and others to severely adjust their totals of deaths classified as being caused by COVD-19. Some like Sweden calculated "all cause deaths" in 2019/20 and 2020/21 and there was no difference between those years where they had covid with the average of 5 years before, with no or few restrictions especially in aged care.

You are quoting modelling to say there would have been more "excess deaths" than 5 million total countries have reported, before they adjusted totals for actual deaths caused by COVID-19.

Modelling is the biggest joke there has been with COVID-19 and one of the cornerstones of how the WHO want to declare pandemics. It was hundreds of times out at the beginning and continues to be so unreliable, it's laughable.

 

[zill]

Modelling is the biggest joke there has been with COVID-19 and one of the cornerstones of how the WHO want to declare pandemics. It was hundreds of times out at the beginning and continues to be so unreliable, it's laughable.

We're only about 150M deaths short of what the computer modelling said would die from covid. Of course the guy who came up with that model predicts 150-200M deaths due to viruses every 4 years or so. How anyone can have any trust in the WHO with the BS they come u pwith is beyond me.

 

[zill]

Many countries did the same and confirmed by Kiwi Dr. Most went back to reclassify, which I expect the Kiwis would do as well.

It wouldn't be a problem if we didn't have press conferences to announce every single covid death every day. I can still remember how excited dan andrews was when he announced a 20 year old as dying from covid. Never mind the fact they died from cancer. These numbers have been used to scare the shit out of people for 2 years now, just like the case numbers, even though 90% of people will have mild to no symptoms at all.

 

[Malifice]

So if we have all these extra deaths, why hasn't the death toll over the last 2 years seen a massive spike?

The death toll has seen a massive spike!

If you read the ****ing journal entries I just bloody posted, there have been 15 million or so excess deaths over the past 2 years, which also coincides with the likely COVID death toll.

14.9 million excess deaths associated with the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 and 2021

This is India alone:

 

[zill]

The death toll has seen a massive spike!

If you read the ******* journal entries I just bloody posted, there have been 15 million or so excess deaths over the past 2 years, which also coincides with the likely COVID death toll.

14.9 million excess deaths associated with the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 and 2021

This is India alone:

OK so you think there is 15M more deaths due to covid over the last 2 years. Where have ~15M lives been saved over that time? There is no such discrepency in world deaths.

 

[Malifice]

There is no such discrepency in world deaths.

Yes there has been. I literally just posted you the ****ing data that proves it, including the methodology used to reach those figures, in numerous peer reviewed medical journals! I posted links to several peer reviewed research papers above (including from Harvard University) that clearly states the excess death toll, and how they calculated COVID deaths.

If you bothered to read them, instead of sticking your fingers in your ears, you might actually realize you've been brainwashed by social media into believing utter ****ing nonsense.

**** this mate. No amount of overwhelming scientific consensus evidence will persuade you. Journal articles, links to documents you claim say one thing (but dont and say the opposite) Harvard scholars, accepted data, science and observed ****ing reality seem to not be enough.

You dont want it to be true, so you just continue to deny all evidence that clearly shows you you're wrong. Overwhelming consensus from literally thousands of scientists and doctors isnt enough. Videos of people being burnt in the street en mass or buried in mass graves, is discounted. Thousands of media reports are dismissed as 'fake MSM news'. Common sense is ignored.

You're utterly cooked, and I'm wasting my breath. Ultimately I don't give a **** what you think is real, because it's not actually real.

You're wrong. The science is right.

 

[The Dice Man]

Yes there has been. I literally just posted you the ******* data that proves it, including the methodology used to reach those figures, in numerous peer reviewed medical journals! I posted links to several peer reviewed research papers above (including from Harvard University) that clearly states the excess death toll, and how they calculated COVID deaths.

If you bothered to read them, instead of sticking your fingers in your ears, you might actually realize you've been brainwashed by social media into believing utter ******* nonsense.

fu** this mate. No amount of overwhelming scientific consensus evidence will persuade you. Journal articles, links to documents you claim say one thing (but dont and say the opposite) Harvard scholars, accepted data, science and observed ******* reality seem to not be enough.

You dont want it to be true, so you just continue to deny all evidence that clearly shows you you're wrong. Overwhelming consensus from literally thousands of scientists and doctors isnt enough. Videos of people being burnt in the street en mass or buried in mass graves, is discounted. Thousands of media reports are dismissed as 'fake MSM news'. Common sense is ignored.

You're utterly cooked, and I'm wasting my breath. Ultimately I don't give a fu** what you think is real, because it's not actually real.

You're wrong. The science is right.

Are you ok? You seem a bit triggered.

 

[The Dice Man]

They apply the exact same criterion to the vaccinated deaths you nonce!

Notice how when vaccination numbers went up, deaths went down?

Same criterion applied.

Why are you calling posters a pedophile?