The greater axis of glory

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Right, following on from my "Greatest teams ever" thread, just a poll for football purists! :D

Namely, which Everton midfield axis do you consider to be the greater axis in terms of quality, industry and genius:

- the 1970 trio of Howard Kendall, Colin Harvey and Alan Ball, or

- the 1985 quartet of Trevor Steven, Peter Reid, Paul Bracewell and Kevin Sheedy

Colin Harvey, no doubt, is an Everton man through and through and only retired from the club this year after four decades of loyal service as a player and coach. The partnership he formed with Harvey and Ball was one which could run all day and provided a springboard for the likes of Joe Royle up front.

The 1980s team saw the tried, tested and true 4-4-2 formation deployed with Peter Reid and Paul Bracewell running things in the centre. Reid could dicatate the flow of play, and released Steven and Sheedy on the wings. Paul Bracewell was an industrious player who (as seen in the Southampton game on MOTD) was also pretty decent going forward.
 

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Can someone make an Everton thread for this guy?

...oh and to answer the poll question...the second one? i don't know...

...Chelsea = 2003/04 FA Champions
...Everton = Relegated
 
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What was the point of replying if you have nothing nice to say?

This thread is for debate, and not attempts to denigrate our club! And no, we won't get relegated.
 
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Don't you have memories too? Or are you saying we're not entitled to memories of our own? Or perhaps you bought the idea that 1992 was Year Zero for professional soccer...
 

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Originally posted by David Votoupal
Don't you have memories too? Or are you saying we're not entitled to memories of our own? Or perhaps you bought the idea that 1992 was Year Zero for professional soccer...
He's a glory hunting ManYoo fan, come on, do you expect any better?

They have no history pre 1992 anyway. ;)
 
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Yeah just the same- money, marketing, mindshare and media makes people believe that 1992 was year zero for soccer and perhaps that 1990 was year zero for Australian Rules as well. And so on...

Ah well...
 

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Manchester United Football Club - Souless.

There is no culture there, it's like looking at a red wall of nothing. All they sing is "United ... United", and their rivlary with City is about as paper cut as you can get.

Does United and City have any real reason to dislike each other other than that they're neighbours?

Rant over. :p
 

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Originally posted by David Votoupal
Don't you have memories too? Or are you saying we're not entitled to memories of our own? Or perhaps you bought the idea that 1992 was Year Zero for professional soccer...
Of course 1992 was year zero, what are you on about? :rolleyes:

The point is, all we hear about is how Everton WERE great, who your favourite players WERE (as opposed to ARE), trophies that WERE won. Notice a pattern? It's all past tense. You should be more worried about how or IF Everton is going to become a force again more than anything.

Ah, if only Norwich had won that game a few years back..
 
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Originally posted by David Votoupal
What was the point of replying if you have nothing nice to say?

This thread is for debate, and not attempts to denigrate our club! And no, we won't get relegated.
My mumma always used to say if you aint got nuthin' nice to say, don't say nuthin' at all...i never listen to her:D

...now if you really got inside my head for my motives for that post, you would find out i'm just saying it to make me feel better because of our (as in Chelsea) lack of Major Trophies since 1955's triumph (other than the Chels...i mean FA Cup and a scattering of European cups here and there):p

...i also did it to get a reaction out of you...as expected it worked and I can guarantee I will never abuse Everton FC ever again...hahahaah...sorry it's hard to type while rolling around laughing on the floor
 

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Originally posted by GoalsFrom50Out
There is no culture there, it's like looking at a red wall of nothing. All they sing is "United ... United", and their rivlary with City is about as paper cut as you can get.
They sing about United? I thought they spent 90 minutes singing about how much a small club City were, and that they don't really care about us.

Does United and City have any real reason to dislike each other other than that they're neighbours?
Do you need another reason? Why does Arsenal hate Spurs, Everton hate Liverpool, Sheffield Wednesday hate Sheffield United etc etc.

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Originally posted by moomba
Why does Arsenal hate Spurs
No, they hate us because Woolwich (where Arsenal is from) is in the south of London and we moved in on their turf. And got them relegated from the first division so we could move up.

And Everton and Liverpool have a real reason to hate each other as well.
 

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Originally posted by GoalsFrom50Out
No, they hate us because Woolwich (where Arsenal is from) is in the south of London and we moved in on their turf. And got them relegated from the first division so we could move up.

And Everton and Liverpool have a real reason to hate each other as well.
Right, so you hate each other because you are neighbours, just what I thought. Would you have the same hatred for each other if your located on the opposite ends of the country. I think not.

There have been relegation situations in Manchestre derbies, there has even been the odd struggle at the other end of the table. There have been career ending injuries to club favourites (and I am not just talking Alfie Haaland), there has been violence betwen fans. The simple fact remains that the two sides hate each other so much because they are neighbours, exactly the same as every derby rivalry in the world.

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Getting back to the topic. One of the reasons I joined Bigfooty is because I want to share some of my many passions- which include soccer and in general sports history- with knowledgable people here, who in all likeliness have a similar passion to what I have.

Yes I am worried about the future of my club in the long-term, especially if the worst does happen. If we did go down, it would be devastating for the morale of the club, players and supporters, and to the city of Liverpool. But at the same time, the potential is there to make us a power in the game again- we have a large and passionate fanbase, and a legacy to uphold (the School of Science).

The reason I post these things is simple, because I want to discuss soccer history with people who have the same passions (and concerns) that I do. Is there anything criminal in taking pride in your club's heritage? All I want to do is educate people, especially the younger generation, about sports history and the importance of valuing heritage. It's a burning desire I have, and in all likeliness will be my career path.

What makes Everton so special as a club is not only the accomplishments of years past and the incredibly rich and distinguished heritage our club has, but also the fact that the club's identity has remained comparatively undiluted. We are still a family and community-oriented club, our fans stick together and rally behind each other in the time of need. At a time when sports organisations are becoming soulless corporations with little obligation to the community, is that not a good thing to see?

Without memories, without heritage, without soul and without roots, we will have nothing.
 

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Originally posted by David Votoupal
Getting back to the topic. One of the reasons I joined Bigfooty is because I want to share some of my many passions- which include soccer and in general sports history- with knowledgable people here, who in all likeliness have a similar passion to what I have.

Yes I am worried about the future of my club in the long-term, especially if the worst does happen. If we did go down, it would be devastating for the morale of the club, players and supporters, and to the city of Liverpool. But at the same time, the potential is there to make us a power in the game again- we have a large and passionate fanbase, and a legacy to uphold (the School of Science).

The reason I post these things is simple, because I want to discuss soccer history with people who have the same passions (and concerns) that I do. Is there anything criminal in taking pride in your club's heritage? All I want to do is educate people, especially the younger generation, about sports history and the importance of valuing heritage. It's a burning desire I have, and in all likeliness will be my career path.

What makes Everton so special as a club is not only the accomplishments of years past and the incredibly rich and distinguished heritage our club has, but also the fact that the club's identity has remained comparatively undiluted. We are still a family and community-oriented club, our fans stick together and rally behind each other in the time of need. At a time when sports organisations are becoming soulless corporations with little obligation to the community, is that not a good thing to see?

Without memories, without heritage, without soul and without roots, we will have nothing.
Beautifully said.
 

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Originally posted by GoalsFrom50Out
Manchester United Football Club - Souless.
Sorry to split hairs, but Manchester United Football Club has a rich history.

It's the Manchester United PLC that has no soul.


There is no culture there, it's like looking at a red wall of nothing. All they sing is "United ... United", and their rivlary with City is about as paper cut as you can get.
You should listen more carefully the next time you watch a United game.


Does United and City have any real reason to dislike each other other than that they're neighbours?

Rant over. :p
I see that Moomba has taken care of that.

Oh well, at least you achieved something here GF50O, you got a United and City fan agreeing on something.

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I'm considering doing a soccer history website, in which I'll write up detailed history of various European clubs and have a massive Everton section where there would be much in a way of memories, photos, etc.
 
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Well of course many things spice up our rivalry with Liverpool. Even if the fans do mix and families are divided, there is no doubt (as has been said in this forum earlier) that relations between the two sets of fans have soured.

Lots of things, whether it's incidents in derby games (like Gerrard's stupid two-footed lunge towards Naysmith), or Heysel, or whatever.

It's the same thing on the Internet, we've tried to get along but unfortunately a few classless Liverpool ferals (on another forum I belong/belonged to, in particular) have had to ruin it in the last couple of years. Maybe the toxic chemicals emanting from all those plastic trophies is lowering their IQ?
 

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Originally posted by David Votoupal
Well of course many things spice up our rivalry with Liverpool. Even if the fans do mix and families are divided, there is no doubt (as has been said in this forum earlier) that relations between the two sets of fans have soured.

Lots of things, whether it's incidents in derby games (like Gerrard's stupid two-footed lunge towards Naysmith), or Heysel, or whatever.

It's the same thing on the Internet, we've tried to get along but unfortunately a few classless Liverpool ferals (on another forum I belong/belonged to, in particular) have had to ruin it in the last couple of years. Maybe the toxic chemicals emanting from all those plastic trophies is lowering their IQ?
It's strange because back in the 80s(when genuine hooliganism was more prevalent) they all used to go on about how well they got on.
The 86 & 89 FA cup finals were full of stories of families where half were blue & half red & there was all the stuff about the fans mixing ect.
 

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Originally posted by DIPPER
It's strange because back in the 80s(when genuine hooliganism was more prevalent) they all used to go on about how well they got on.
The 86 & 89 FA cup finals were full of stories of families where half were blue & half red & there was all the stuff about the fans mixing ect.
Yeah - I don't understand it either. Anyone know why this is?
 
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