Do the Media have it reight with the "Geriatric Hawks"?
As a Hawk fan I've been annoyed by the almost constant calls for Hawthorn to drop down the ladder, being too old, etc. Something that isn't aligning to my perception of how the team has played, how little we have relied upon our oldest players, how much of the load is based on the peak-age players (24-28). So I thought I would do some research, based on each individual club's top 10 finishes in their respective Best and Fairests.
After all, who knows better than the teams actual coaches? It brings to light some interesting statistics - statistics which may help to change perceptions of where the different teams are at in the "premiership cycle".
Top 10 B&F Stats by club, sorted by Median. (Why Median? Reduces effect of outliers, like Hodge at Brisbane, Goddard at EFC, etc. It also shows Hawthorn in worse light than by average so cannot accuse me of bias!)
Does this data support how you think your club is situated? What clubs are performing above or below their "age" expectation?
Club (Median, Average, >30, <24)
TOMBSTONE
Carlton (28.9, 27.9, Simpson, Thomas, Rowe, Murphy, Cripps, Curnow, Fisher)
Ah....Oops.
CLIFF-DIVING
North Melbourne (27.5, 27.9, Higgins, Goldstein, Thompson, Dumont)
Geelong (27.5, 27.3, Hawkins, Selwood, Kolodashnij)
Clearly these clubs are the most recent premiers! If not, what are they doing? Tough times loom on the horizon.
WHAT A VIEW!
Richmond (27.3, 27.2, Riewoldt, Edwards, Short)
Sydney (27.2, 27.4, Franklin, Kennedy, McVeigh, Heeney, Hewett)
Hawthorn (27.2, 26.7, NONE, Sicily, Hardwick)
Age group that should be aiming at silverware. Concern if >30 can maintain performances. Big name FA chasers?
PEAKING
West Coast (26.5, 26.8, Hurn, Rioli)
Melbourne (26.4, 26.2, Lewis, Jones, Oliver, Harmes, Brayshaw, Salem)
Essendon (26.0, 26.8, Hooker, Goddard, Merrett, McKenna)
Ideal age group for maximum performance, should be chasing top 4 or better. Look for FAs chasing success to head to clubs in this age group.
CLIMBING
Port Adelaide (25.6, 26.5, Westhoff, Gray, Boak, Byrne-Jones, Houston)
GWS (25.6, 26.3, Shaw, Hopper, Taranto, Kelly)
Fremantle (25.6, 26.2, Mundy, Pearce, Langdon, Ryan)
Gold Coast (25.4, 25.3, Harbrow, Martin, Miller, Weller, Holman)
On the ascent, and should be aiming for finals at least.
BASE CAMP
Adelaide (25.2, 25.2, NONE, Laird, Crouch, Doedee, Milera)
Collingwood (25.1, 25.6, Pendlebury, Maynard, Phillips, De Goey)
St. Kilda (24.8, 25.1, Geary, McKenzie, Steele, Gresham, Billings)
The group is growing up together, the question is - are they good enough to elevate themselves into contention over the coming seasons?
GROUND ZERO
Western Bulldogs (23.4, 23.8, NONE, Hunter, Williams, Bontempelli, Daniel, Dunkley, McLean)
Brisbane (23.2, 25.8, Martin, Hodge, Witherden, Gardiner, Andrews, Berry,McCluggage, Robertston)
Wow. Had no idea Bulldogs were that young. Foundation and competitiveness.
Full Table in Spoiler
As a Hawk fan I've been annoyed by the almost constant calls for Hawthorn to drop down the ladder, being too old, etc. Something that isn't aligning to my perception of how the team has played, how little we have relied upon our oldest players, how much of the load is based on the peak-age players (24-28). So I thought I would do some research, based on each individual club's top 10 finishes in their respective Best and Fairests.
After all, who knows better than the teams actual coaches? It brings to light some interesting statistics - statistics which may help to change perceptions of where the different teams are at in the "premiership cycle".
Top 10 B&F Stats by club, sorted by Median. (Why Median? Reduces effect of outliers, like Hodge at Brisbane, Goddard at EFC, etc. It also shows Hawthorn in worse light than by average so cannot accuse me of bias!)
Does this data support how you think your club is situated? What clubs are performing above or below their "age" expectation?
Club (Median, Average, >30, <24)
TOMBSTONE
Carlton (28.9, 27.9, Simpson, Thomas, Rowe, Murphy, Cripps, Curnow, Fisher)
Ah....Oops.
CLIFF-DIVING
North Melbourne (27.5, 27.9, Higgins, Goldstein, Thompson, Dumont)
Geelong (27.5, 27.3, Hawkins, Selwood, Kolodashnij)
Clearly these clubs are the most recent premiers! If not, what are they doing? Tough times loom on the horizon.
WHAT A VIEW!
Richmond (27.3, 27.2, Riewoldt, Edwards, Short)
Sydney (27.2, 27.4, Franklin, Kennedy, McVeigh, Heeney, Hewett)
Hawthorn (27.2, 26.7, NONE, Sicily, Hardwick)
Age group that should be aiming at silverware. Concern if >30 can maintain performances. Big name FA chasers?
PEAKING
West Coast (26.5, 26.8, Hurn, Rioli)
Melbourne (26.4, 26.2, Lewis, Jones, Oliver, Harmes, Brayshaw, Salem)
Essendon (26.0, 26.8, Hooker, Goddard, Merrett, McKenna)
Ideal age group for maximum performance, should be chasing top 4 or better. Look for FAs chasing success to head to clubs in this age group.
CLIMBING
Port Adelaide (25.6, 26.5, Westhoff, Gray, Boak, Byrne-Jones, Houston)
GWS (25.6, 26.3, Shaw, Hopper, Taranto, Kelly)
Fremantle (25.6, 26.2, Mundy, Pearce, Langdon, Ryan)
Gold Coast (25.4, 25.3, Harbrow, Martin, Miller, Weller, Holman)
On the ascent, and should be aiming for finals at least.
BASE CAMP
Adelaide (25.2, 25.2, NONE, Laird, Crouch, Doedee, Milera)
Collingwood (25.1, 25.6, Pendlebury, Maynard, Phillips, De Goey)
St. Kilda (24.8, 25.1, Geary, McKenzie, Steele, Gresham, Billings)
The group is growing up together, the question is - are they good enough to elevate themselves into contention over the coming seasons?
GROUND ZERO
Western Bulldogs (23.4, 23.8, NONE, Hunter, Williams, Bontempelli, Daniel, Dunkley, McLean)
Brisbane (23.2, 25.8, Martin, Hodge, Witherden, Gardiner, Andrews, Berry,McCluggage, Robertston)
Wow. Had no idea Bulldogs were that young. Foundation and competitiveness.
Full Table in Spoiler
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ADELAIDE – Malcolm Blight Medal
1. Rory Laird 222 votes 29/12/1995 22.8438356
2. Matt Crouch 166 21/04/1995 23.5342466
3. Josh Jenkins 162 8/02/1989 29.7342466
4. Bryce Gibbs 149 15/03/1989 29.6383562
5. Hugh Greenwood 140 6/03/1992 26.660274
6. Tom Doedee 139 1/03/1997 21.6712329
7. Luke Brown 134 22/09/1992 26.1123288
7. Wayne Milera 134 14/09/1997 21.1315068
9. Paul Seedsman 128 12/07/1994 24.309589
9. Rory Atkins 128 22/01/1992 26.7808219
Average 25.2416438
Median 25.2109589
BRISBANE LIONS – Merrett-Murray Medal
1. Dayne Zorko 250 votes 9/02/1989 29.7315068
10. Alex Witherden 170 10/09/1998 20.1424658
2. Dayne Beams 249 12/02/1990 28.7232877
3. Stef Martin 242 17/11/1986 31.9643836
4. Darcy Gardiner 228 22/09/1995 23.1123288
5. Harris Andrews 208 11/12/1996 21.890411
6. Jarrod Berry 205 5/02/1998 20.7369863
7. Hugh McCluggage 200 3/03/1998 20.6657534
8. Luke Hodge 185 15/06/1984 34.3890411
9. Nick Robertson 172 3/06/1995 23.4164384
Average 25.4772603
Median 23.2643836
CARLTON – John Nicholls Medal
1. Patrick Cripps 166 votes 18/03/1995 23.6273973
2. Kade Simpson 108 5/05/1984 34.5013699
3. Charlie Curnow 98 3/02/1997 21.7424658
3. Ed Curnow 98 7/11/1989 28.9890411
5. Dale Thomas 71 21/06/1987 31.3726027
6. Liam Jones 48 24/02/1991 27.690411
7. Zac Fisher 47 15/06/1998 20.3808219
8. Sam Rowe 43 19/11/1987 30.9589041
9. Marc Murphy 39 19/07/1987 31.2958904
9. Matthew Wright 39 14/12/1989 28.8876712
Average 27.9446575
Median 28.9383562
COLLINGWOOD – EW Copeland Trophy
1. Brodie Grundy 203 15/04/1994 24.5506849
1. Steele Sidebottom 203 votes 2/01/1991 27.8356164
10. Brayden Maynard 107 20/09/1996 22.1150685
3. Scott Pendlebury 178 7/01/1988 30.8246575
4. Jack Crisp 160 2/10/1993 25.0849315
5. Taylor Adams 159 20/09/1993 25.1178082
6. Tom Phillips 134 7/05/1996 22.4876712
7. Jeremy Howe 132 29/06/1990 28.3479452
8. Jordan De Goey 127 15/03/1996 22.6328767
9. Josh Thomas 122 1/10/1991 27.090411
Average 25.6087671
Median 25.1013699
ESSENDON – WS Crichton Medal
1. Devon Smith 370 votes 20/05/1993 25.4547945
10. Brendon Goddard 267 20/05/1985 33.460274
2. Dyson Heppell 360 14/05/1992 26.4712329
3. Zach Merrett 335 3/10/1995 23.0821918
4. Adam Saad 315 23/07/1994 24.2794521
5. Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti 295 22/04/1993 25.5315068
6. Tom Bellchambers 281 9/07/1989 29.3205479
7. Michael Hurley 280 1/06/1990 28.4246575
8. Cale Hooker 276 13/10/1988 30.0575342
9. Conor McKenna 268 28/03/1996 22.5972603
Average 26.8679452
Median 26.0013699
FREMANTLE – Doig Medal
1. Lachie Neale 186 votes 24/05/1993 25.4438356
10. Alex Pearce 86 9/06/1995 23.4
2. David Mundy 164 20/07/1985 33.2931507
3. Nat Fyfe 150 18/09/1991 27.1260274
4. Ed Langdon 145 1/02/1996 22.7506849
5. Luke Ryan 130 6/02/1996 22.7369863
6. Nathan Wilson 124 7/01/1993 25.8191781
7. Joel Hamling 123 9/04/1993 25.5671233
8. Michael Walters 119 7/01/1991 27.8219178
9. Stephen Hill 100 1/05/1990 28.509589
Average 26.2468493
Median 25.6931507
GEELONG – 'Carji' Greeves Medal
1. Mark Blicavs 234 votes 28/03/1991 27.6027397
10. Zach Tuohy 194.5) 10/12/1989 28.8986301
2. Patrick Dangerfield 233.5 5/04/1990 28.5808219
2. Tim Kelly 233.5 26/07/1994 24.2712329
4. Tom Hawkins 229 21/07/1988 30.2876712
5. Joel Selwood 220.5 26/05/1988 30.4410959
6. Mitch Duncan 216 10/06/1991 27.4
6. Tom Stewart 216 15/03/1993 25.6356164
8. Jake Kolodjashnij 203 9/08/1995 23.2328767
9. Sam Menegola 200 7/03/1992 26.6575342
Average 27.3008219
Median 27.5013699
GOLD COAST – Club Champion Award
1. Jarrod Harbrow 390 votes 18/07/1988 30.2958904
10. Jack Martin 249 29/01/1995 23.7589041
2. Touk Miller 351 22/02/1996 22.6931507
3. Lachie Weller 336 23/02/1996 22.690411
4. Rory Thompson 316 12/03/1991 27.6465753
5. Alex Sexton 303 3/12/1993 24.9150685
6. David Swallow 300 19/11/1992 25.9534247
7. Aaron Young 261 6/12/1992 25.9068493
8. Jarrod Witts 251 13/09/1992 26.1369863
8. Nick Holman 251 29/05/1995 23.430137
Average 25.3427397
Median 25.4109589
GWS – Kevin Sheedy Medal
1. Lachie Whitfield 175 votes 18/07/1994 24.2931507
10. Heath Shaw 107 27/11/1985 32.9369863
10. Jacob Hopper 107 6/02/1997 21.7342466
10. Jeremy Cameron 107 1/04/1993 25.5890411
2. Callan Ward 164 10/04/1990 28.5671233
3. Phil Davis 156 30/08/1990 28.1780822
4. Stephen Coniglio 154 15/12/1993 24.8821918
5. Nick Haynes 151 18/05/1992 26.460274
6. Dylan Shiel 130 9/03/1993 25.6520548
7. Adam Tomlinson 117 10/08/1993 25.230137
8. Tim Taranto 114 28/01/1998 20.7589041
9. Josh Kelly 111 12/02/1995 23.7205479
Average 26.3523288
Median 25.6205479
HAWTHORN – Peter Crimmins Medal
1. Tom Mitchell 163 votes 31/05/1993 25.4246575
10. James Sicily 87 6/01/1995 23.8219178
2. Blake Hardwick 127 5/02/1997 21.7369863
3. Isaac Smith 125 30/12/1988 29.8438356
4. Jack Gunston 121 16/10/1991 27.0493151
5. Jaeger O'Meara 120 23/02/1994 24.690411
6. Luke Breust 119 11/11/1990 27.9780822
7. Ben Stratton 112 1/03/1989 29.6767123
8. Ben McEvoy 99 11/07/1989 29.3150685
8. Liam Shiels 99 29/04/1991 27.5150685
Average 26.7052055
Median 27.2821918
MELBOURNE – Keith 'Bluey' Truscott Trophy
1.Max Gawn – 657 votes 30/12/1991 26.8438356
10.Jordan Lewis – 366 24/04/1986 32.5315068
2.Clayton Oliver – 595 22/07/1997 21.2794521
3.James Harmes – 468 5/10/1995 23.0767123
4.Nathan Jones – 449 20/01/1988 30.7890411
5.Tom McDonald – 433 18/09/1992 26.1232877
6.Angus Brayshaw – 429 9/01/1996 22.8136986
7.Jake Melksham – 428 29/08/1991 27.1808219
8.Christian Salem – 403 15/07/1995 23.3013699
9.Neville Jetta – 383 12/02/1990 28.7232877
Average 26.2663014
Median 26.4835616
NORTH MELBOURNE – Syd Barker Medal
1. Shaun Higgins 240 votes 4/03/1988 30.6684932
10. Jamie Macmillan 195 23/09/1991 27.1123288
2. Ben Cunnington 237 30/06/1991 27.3452055
3. Robbie Tarrant 218 25/04/1989 29.5260274
4. Ben Brown 216 20/11/1992 25.9506849
5. Jack Ziebell 215 28/02/1991 27.6794521
5. Trent Dumont 215 30/06/1995 23.3424658
7. Todd Goldstein 206 1/07/1988 30.3424658
8. Jed Anderson 198 2/02/1994 24.7479452
9. Scott Thompson 196 9/05/1986 32.490411
Average 27.9205479
Median 27.5123288
PORT ADELAIDE – John Cahill Medal
1. Justin Westhoff 179 votes 1/10/1986 32.0931507
10. Tom Clurey 110 23/03/1994 24.6136986
2. Ollie Wines 162 7/10/1994 24.0712329
2. Tom Jonas 162 9/01/1991 27.8164384
4. Robbie Gray 152 30/03/1988 30.5972603
5. Jared Polec 151 12/10/1992 26.0575342
6. Chad Wingard 143 29/07/1993 25.2630137
7. Darcy Byrne-Jones 139 20/09/1995 23.1178082
8. Dan Houston 131 1/05/1997 21.5041096
9. Travis Boak 126 1/08/1988 30.2575342
Average 26.5391781
Median 25.660274
RICHMOND – Jack Dyer Medal
1.Jack Riewoldt - 81 votes 31/10/1988 30.0082192
10.Josh Caddy - 45 28/09/1992 26.0958904
2.Kane Lambert - 68 26/11/1991 26.9369863
3.Dustin Martin - 66 26/06/1991 27.3561644
4.Shane Edwards - 65 25/10/1988 30.0246575
5.Dylan Grimes - 64 16/07/1991 27.3013699
6.Alex Rance - 63 9/10/1989 29.0684932
7.Trent Cotchin - 58 7/04/1990 28.5753425
8.Nick Vlastuin - 51 19/04/1994 24.539726
9.Jayden Short - 47 24/01/1996 22.7726027
Average 27.2679452
Median 27.3287671
ST KILDA – Trevor Barker Medal
1. Jack Steven 191 votes 28/03/1990 28.6027397
10. Daniel McKenzie 69 17/05/1996 22.460274
2. Seb Ross 175 7/05/1993 25.490411
3. Jack Steele 134 13/12/1995 22.8876712
4. Jade Gresham 126 24/08/1997 21.1890411
5. Jarryn Geary 118 23/06/1988 30.3643836
6. Jimmy Webster 109 28/06/1993 25.3479452
7. Jake Carlisle 103 1/10/1991 27.090411
8. Tim Membrey 87 26/05/1994 24.4383562
9. Jack Billings 72 18/08/1995 23.2082192
Average 25.1079452
Median 24.8931507
SYDNEY – Bob Skilton Medal
1. Jake Lloyd 540 votes 20/09/1993 25.1178082
10. Harry Cunningham 331 6/12/1993 24.9068493
2. Luke Parker 517 25/10/1992 26.0219178
3. Lance Franklin 510 30/01/1987 31.7616438
4. Isaac Heeney 463 5/05/1996 22.4931507
5. Josh Kennedy 435 20/06/1988 30.3726027
6. Dane Rampe 433 2/06/1990 28.4219178
7. George Hewett 430 29/12/1995 22.8438356
8. Jarrad McVeigh 353 7/04/1985 33.5780822
9. Callum Sinclair 351 23/09/1989 29.1123288
Average 27.4630137
Median 27.2219178
WEST COAST – John Worsfold Medal
1. Elliot Yeo 273 votes 1/10/1993 25.0876712
10. Willie Rioli 176 4/06/1995 23.4136986
2. Jack Redden 231 9/12/1990 27.9013699
3. Shannon Hurn 222 4/09/1987 31.1671233
4. Jamie Cripps 218 23/04/1992 26.5287671
5. Andrew Gaff 216 16/06/1992 26.3808219
6. Jeremy McGovern 202 15/04/1992 26.5506849
7. Mark Hutchings 185 25/05/1991 27.4438356
8. Brad Sheppard 184 23/05/1991 27.4493151
9. Jack Darling 182 13/06/1992 26.3890411
Average 26.8312329
Median 26.539726
WESTERN BULLDOGS – Charles Sutton Medal
1. Lachie Hunter – 191 votes 13/12/1994 23.8876712
10. Bailey Williams – 86 10/10/1997 21.060274
2. Jack Macrae – 190 3/08/1994 24.2493151
3. Marcus Bontempelli – 154 24/11/1995 22.939726
4. Aaron Naughton – 120 30/11/1989 28.9260274
5. Caleb Daniel – 110 7/07/1996 22.3205479
5. Josh Dunkley – 110 9/01/1997 21.8109589
7. Jason Johannisen – 109 8/11/1992 25.9835616
8. Hayden Crozier - 98 24/12/1993 24.8575342
9. Toby McLean – 91 31/01/1996 22.7534247
Average 23.8789041
Median 23.4136986
