The Greens

[Saint]

she wants robust truth telling to be front and centre of the overall reconciliation process .... there will be powerful white christian conservatives heavily resistant to taking this approach .... this issue seems like a convenient smoke screen to cancelling her voice all together .... i might be wrong

Not sure changing the Deputy leader of the Greens will change their policies very much...

 

[the_interloper]

she wants robust truth telling to be front and centre of the overall reconciliation process .... there will be powerful white christian conservatives heavily resistant to taking this approach .... this issue seems like a convenient smoke screen to cancelling her voice all together .... i might be wrong

Yeah it could be that, it could also be internal politics, I have no idea. Google tells me it was apparently the ABC that revealed this, I wonder where they got the info from?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Not sure changing the Deputy leader of the Greens will change their policies very much...

Dr Mehreen Faruqi is deputy leader.

Lidia was deputy leader in the senate.

 

[HairyO]

Berejiklian gave her boyfriend tax payers money

What charges were laid?

How much money was given illegally ?

Gladys had to go just in case. I agree with that.

Lidia has to go just in case, right? Not many agree with that tho. Because she is untouchable.

Gladys may have broken the law and resigned. Lidia may have broken the law and deserves to be elevated to party leader.

According to 90% of SRP anyway.

 

[kalex6251]

bandt prosecuting greens policy on truth telling is not going to make people feel awkward or uncomfortable - he is a warm friendly face white christian conservatives will tolerate now that the matter of reconciliation is front and centre in public debate

in contrast to bandt, thorpe wants a more robust vision of truth telling that will actively make people feel uncomfortable (she has admitted as much - repeatedly referring to herself as an 'angry black woman' in a recent interview with raf epstein) .... she wants us to confront head-on the shame of 200+ years of systematic/brutal/humiliating colonial oppression .... she will resist any effort to compromise or water down this process to make white australia feel better about itself ..... and fair enough to

her voice is dangerous to some .... and they will happily remove her from the debate if they can

 

[Saint]

bandt prosecuting greens policy on truth telling is not going to make people feel awkward or uncomfortable - he is a warm friendly face white christian conservatives will tolerate now that the matter of reconciliation is front and centre in public debate

in contrast to bandt, thorpe wants a more robust vision of truth telling that will actively make people feel uncomfortable (she has admitted as much - repeatedly referring to herself as an 'angry black woman' in a recent interview with raf epstein) .... she wants us to confront head-on the shame of 200+ years of systematic/brutal/humiliating colonial oppression .... she will resist any effort to compromise or water down this process to make white australia feel better about itself ..... and fair enough to

her voice is dangerous to some .... and they will happily remove her from the debate if they can

Do you really think Lidia Thorpe is a better politician/leader than Bandt?

It's probably dangerous to the Greens and the process and her end goal if the voters remove the Greens and Thorpe from the debate entirely.

 

[Kwality]

One is a colour, the other is a term that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people have adopted to identify themselves as.

When was that ?

 

[kalex6251]

i make no comment on whether shes a good pollie .... or whether she would make a better leader than bandt

im simply exploring why alp/lnp have gone hard against her over this relationship stuff .... their reactions seem disproportionate to the issue especially when you consider what they have actively ignored within their own backyards (george christenson frequenting sex clubs in seedy parts of manilla springs to mind)

both major parties want her removed from the public square (but for very different reasons) ... her voice is a threat to their objectives

 

[Kwality]

i make no comment on whether shes a good pollie .... or whether she would make a better leader than bandt

im simply exploring why alp/lnp have gone hard against her over this relationship stuff .... their reactions seem disproportionate to the issue especially when you consider what they have actively ignored within their own backyards (george christenson frequenting sex clubs in seedy parts of manilla springs to mind)

both major parties want her removed from the public square (but for very different reasons) ... her voice is a threat to their objectives

AFP briefings have national security connotations.

 

[kalex6251]

compare duttons calls for her to resign from parliament today with his silence around christensen .... no moves and no calls were made by dutton to remove christensen from parliament (and he had access to these briefings - and indeed the machinery of the AFP - as home affairs minister)

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Big s**t fight about to start. Academics vs grass roots.

Lidia Thorpe should not remain Greens’ Indigenous spokesperson, Marcia Langton (Indigenous academic) says.
Langton went on to say she did not think it was appropriate that Thorpe remains the Green’s spokeswoman for Indigenous Australians, adding Thorpe had shown a “significant lack of judgement” and that the Greens should largely ditch their current set of policies:

 

[Gralin]

Big s**t fight about to start. Academics vs grass roots.

Lidia Thorpe should not remain Greens’ Indigenous spokesperson, Marcia Langton (Indigenous academic) says.
Langton went on to say she did not think it was appropriate that Thorpe remains the Green’s spokeswoman for Indigenous Australians, adding Thorpe had shown a “significant lack of judgement” and that the Greens should largely ditch their current set of policies:

She's doing the rounds

 

[Gralin]

They're also sexist dog-whistlers, socialism dog-whistlers, environmental dog-whistlers. They're practically everything-dog-whistling. And 90% of the time they're being hypocritical at the same time.

It's why nobody listens to them any more, so they have to whistle and moan louder and why their attacks carry so little weight any more.

Doesn't mean sometimes they don't have a point.

There are better options to use as an example than literally anyone from the libs.
But Dutton especially

Not sure changing the Deputy leader of the Greens will change their policies very much...

Deputy senate leader, people keep dropping the senate part to make the issue seem bigger

 

[burge13]

bandt prosecuting greens policy on truth telling is not going to make people feel awkward or uncomfortable - he is a warm friendly face white christian conservatives will tolerate now that the matter of reconciliation is front and centre in public debate

in contrast to bandt, thorpe wants a more robust vision of truth telling that will actively make people feel uncomfortable (she has admitted as much - repeatedly referring to herself as an 'angry black woman' in a recent interview with raf epstein) .... she wants us to confront head-on the shame of 200+ years of systematic/brutal/humiliating colonial oppression .... she will resist any effort to compromise or water down this process to make white australia feel better about itself ..... and fair enough to

her voice is dangerous to some .... and they will happily remove her from the debate if they can

He is the single biggest w***er in politics. People wouldn't tolerate him long if he actually got to an important position. Sane people would leave the country in droves

 

[nobbyiscool]

An ex-president ,no longer in the gang.
Sussanne Ley, who said Thorpe is not fit to sit in parliament came to Ausatralia as a teenager, resigned from ministry in 2017 due to travel rorts scam,
March 2022, Ley successfully appealed a Federal Court ruling that she had a "duty of care to children to consider climate change harm when approving coal mines,

Guilty of hiding a document that was handed to the coalition government in December 2021, ahead of the 2022 Australian federal election re massive environmental decline.
Lied by saying 'And no one in the world is making an electric ute, by the way, and even if they were it would be unaffordable.'
So who is not fit to sit in parliament?

It's so wild that Ley was the one publicly calling for her head today given she herself had to step down from the ministry and should've lost her job. That's without considering your Christian Porters and Angus Taylors.

I actually know Lidia a little bit. Knew she'd be a rubbish member for Northcote; knew she'd be a decent "Indigenous Senator for Victoria." While the identity of her affair is obviously relevant, this is nowhere near sackable given the bullshit we've been conditioned to ignore from our politicians.

By the way, savage outcome for her partner... but some might argue he deserves it.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

It's so wild that Ley was the one publicly calling for her head today given she herself had to step down from the ministry and should've lost her job. That's without considering your Christian Porters and Angus Taylors.

I actually know Lidia a little bit. Knew she'd be a rubbish member for Northcote; knew she'd be a decent "Indigenous Senator for Victoria." While the identity of her affair is obviously relevant, this is nowhere near sackable given the bullshit we've been conditioned to ignore from our politicians.

By the way, savage outcome for her partner... but some might argue he deserves it.

Yeah it's a bit sad, I met her at a Darebin Greens meeting and she was a nice regular women.

 

[Donakebab]

He is the single biggest w***er in politics. People wouldn't tolerate him long if he actually got to an important position. Sane people would leave the country in droves

Clearly don't follow politics much if you think this. Both the majors have far bigger w***ers than a milquetoast like Bandt.

 

[Gralin]

He is the single biggest w***er in politics. People wouldn't tolerate him long if he actually got to an important position. Sane people would leave the country in droves

Where would you move to?

 

[Nice Swan Brother]

bandt prosecuting greens policy on truth telling is not going to make people feel awkward or uncomfortable - he is a warm friendly face white christian conservatives will tolerate now that the matter of reconciliation is front and centre in public debate

in contrast to bandt, thorpe wants a more robust vision of truth telling that will actively make people feel uncomfortable (she has admitted as much - repeatedly referring to herself as an 'angry black woman' in a recent interview with raf epstein) .... she wants us to confront head-on the shame of 200+ years of systematic/brutal/humiliating colonial oppression .... she will resist any effort to compromise or water down this process to make white australia feel better about itself ..... and fair enough to

her voice is dangerous to some .... and they will happily remove her from the debate if they can

Maybe Thorpe isn’t the person to lead the reconciliation conversation.

Wouldn’t it make sense to have someone less divisive?

Burning flags isn’t going to sway the undecided.

Nor is a relationship with a 1%er.

 

[kalex6251]

Maybe Thorpe isn’t the person to lead the reconciliation conversation.

Wouldn’t it make sense to have someone less divisive?

Burning flags isn’t going to sway the undecided.

Nor is a relationship with a 1%er.

and you may well be right (personally i agree with her call for a more robust, take-no-prisoners approach to truth telling ...... this country needs to hear blunt home truths no matter how horrifying they may be .... that wasnt the intent of my posts though)

im simply exploring reasons why both major parties want her removed from the public debate .... especially when both parties have avoided / ignored / buried issues much worse than the claims now being levelled at her ..... george christensen for one

 

[Carringbush2010]

Feels like I'm back in the school yard.

Both 'sides' on here are playing victim for their 'oppressed heroes'

'Wah wah, if it was X person from X party it'd be different, my side gets treated worse! Wah........ wah.'

Both sides of the argument are claiming the same thing.

Please keep the toy throwing going.

I'll be back, just getting more popcorn

 

[SSwans2011]

Couldn't even list murdoch rags but keep trying to label people if it makes you feel better about your deluded, rotted brain

I don't really have anything to add, but it's actually astounded me just how much of a snowflake you've come across as reading the last few pages.

 

[Gralin]

Maybe Thorpe isn’t the person to lead the reconciliation conversation.

Wouldn’t it make sense to have someone less divisive?

Burning flags isn’t going to sway the undecided.

Nor is a relationship with a 1%er.

Truth telling isn't reconciliation

 

[Baltimore Jack]

 

[Crankyhawk]

What charges were laid?

How much money was given illegally ?

Gladys had to go just in case. I agree with that.

Lidia has to go just in case, right? Not many agree with that tho. Because she is untouchable.

Gladys may have broken the law and resigned. Lidia may have broken the law and deserves to be elevated to party leader.

According to 90% of SRP anyway.

With gladys there was also evidence of benefits for the boyfriend- grants to his electorate outside of process.
While there is no evidence of benefit for dean Martin.
Therefore to step down but not be forced to leave party feels about right to me.
It is funny watching the rusted on types on both sides lose their s**t though.