The Greens

[Gralin]

Keep on disagreeing Festerz it doesn't make me wrong.

It's not even my idea or a new concept

 

[Festerz]

The failure of government is that charity needing to exist

Nope.

It’s a failure of society and economies that ‘charities’ need to exist. Globally.

It’s a measure of success of a society and its people that they do.

 

[Gralin]

Nope.

It’s a failure of society and economies that ‘charities’ need to exist. Globally.

It’s a success of a society and its people that they do.

Governments, famously not part of society or involved in the economy

Definitely currently not building enough public housing, definitely not massively involved in why homelessness is increasing

Definitely do like the idea they bear no responsibility and charities will fix it for them (plus provide great photo ops)

Who doesn't love a prime minister who serves food on Christmas at a shelter he doesn't fund for people he keeps in poverty with a punitive welfare system

 

[Grin]

The point is the Greens primary was 11.8% in 2010. Same as 2025.

Since 2010 the major party vote has dropped from about 81% to about 67%.

So 1 in every 7 votes has shifted away from the two major parties, yet the Greens haven't managed to capitalise one bit.

They haven't managed to move the needle, in an era with a mass exodus away from the majors.

Why?

The needle's moved to the middle, and to a lesser extent the right, leaving the Greens neutral, Nats neutral, gain to ONP, huge gain for Labor.
Libs find themselves in no mans land with no cover, machine guns aimed and firing.

 

[Saint]

Nope.

It’s a failure of society and economies that ‘charities’ need to exist. Globally.

It’s a measure of success of a society and its people that they do.

Given the fact that people are imperfect, I can't imagine an economic state which has fixed all of society's problems.

Also, charity is just what some people are more naturally inclined to do. Maybe the poor they're helping are less poor, but many people will always still need a helping hand.- And many people are more than willing to offer it, because of how it makes them feel good about themselves.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I'm hoping Larrissa Waters wins with Hanson-Young and Faruqi deputies.

 

[Caesar]

my guess would be Waters as leader, Faruqi remains deputy leader and SHY remains manager of senate business

Faruqi was I think out of the race when Waters put her hand up, I don't think she can win without the Queenslanders backing her. SHY could maybe win with the Victorians and Tasmanians, but Nick McKim would have to be willing to put a major wedge between the NSW/QLD and TAS/VIC blocs to make that happen.

Maybe a deal gets struck with the Queenslanders to cut Faruqi out for a Waters/SHY ticket, but that would really piss off the NSW Greens and I'm not sure anyone wants to do that

I'm hoping Larrissa Waters wins with Hanson-Young and Faruqi deputies.

That would be a massive squib, and would not work at all well as they hate each other

 

[Gough]

I have Hanson-Young as one of those good front bench but not a leader politicians, she's too abrasive all round.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

my guess would be Waters as leader, Faruqi remains deputy leader and SHY remains manager of senate business

Faruqi was I think out of the race when Waters put her hand up, I don't think she can win without the Queenslanders backing her. SHY could maybe win with the Victorians and Tasmanians, but Nick McKim would have to be willing to put a major wedge between the NSW/QLD and TAS/VIC blocs to make that happen.

Maybe a deal gets struck with the Queenslanders to cut Faruqi out for a Waters/SHY ticket, but that would really piss off the NSW Greens and I'm not sure anyone wants to do that


That would be a massive squib, and would not work at all well as they hate each other

Do SHYoung and Faruqiu hate each other?

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I have Hanson-Young as one of those good front bench but not a leader politicians, she's too abrasive all round.

I wouldn't call her abrasive, I just don't think she's a polished performer like Waters is.

 

[Caesar]

Do SHYoung and Faruqiu hate each other?

all the NSW Greens hate SHY because she publically slammed the caucus for siding too much with Gillard over Abbott... they think she is a tree tory

She is also not very popular with the Tasmanian Greens because she was highly disloyal to Christine Milne when she was leader

Pulling it off will require some extremely clever politicking, if she manages it then it's an indication that the centre of gravity in the Greens caucus has shifted substantially

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

all the NSW Greens hate SHY because she publically slammed the caucus for siding too much with Gillard over Abbott... they think she is a tree tory

She is also not very popular with the Tasmanian Greens because she was highly disloyal to Christine Milne when she was leader

Pulling it off will require some extremely clever politicking, if she manages it then it's an indication that the centre of gravity in the Greens caucus has shifted substantially

I think they will move to make climate the main overiding policy so that bodes well for SHYoung and not so much for Faruqui.
I think Waters is the best candidate to please everyone.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Waters wins, a great result.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Greens can hopefully win back the lower house seats now.

 

[Caesar]

Faruqi stays as deputy, Nick McKim stays as whip, SHY stays as manager of senate business… surely that’s the end of SHY’s leadership ambitions

Penny Allman-Payne as the new party room chair is interesting, that is another role moving from a Victorian to a Queenslander

Bit of a low point for the VIC/Tas faction in terms of power and influence, will be interesting to see what it means for the direction of the party

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Greens want to work with Labor to ‘get shit done’, Waters says.​

I like her already.

 

[Festerz]

Waters wins, a great result.

Agree. Articulate, intelligent, compassionate, listens and ain't shouty or arrogantly fixated on ideology.

Everything the Greens and Australia needs to return them as a relevant and credible alternative choice to the two major parties.

Good luck to her.

 

[MJG14]

I feel like they made the right choice. She has always come across well when I've seen her speak.

 

[PJays]

What could work for the Greens:

- Understanding nuance

- Focusing more on the environment and less on taking a black and white position on grey social issues

- Public health at a systemic, macro level- microplastics, safe food production, etc. Instead of just having a list of wants eg dental, be the party who differentiates by looking at these issues in an alternative way

- Taking a broader anti-corporate approach than the simplistic "tax them more" rhetoric they've been running with. As one example, scaling back the pharmaceutical industry's influence- with 96% of the relevant regulatory body's revenue currently coming from pharmaceutical companies. More government funding means more independence

- Realising that freeing Palestine from Hamas is a core component of freeing Palestine in the long run. Trying to see the good in both sides on that issue.

 

[Caesar]

This definitely indicates a Greens party where primary control is shifting from the Vic/Tas bloc to the QLD/NSW bloc. Waters is much closer to the NSW socialist hardliners than she is to the Victorian technocrats like Di Natale and Bandt.

It’s likely that under her the Greens will be more focused on social and class issues than they have been previously (less on the environment), and will be harder for the ALP to make deals with them.

The fact that Brown praised her so much yesterday gives you an indication on how much the centre of gravity in the party has shifted. In his day she would have been the far left flank of the party - now she is a unity candidate

 

[Festerz]

This definitely indicates a Greens party where primary control is shifting from the Vic/Tas bloc to the QLD/NSW bloc. Waters is much closer to the NSW socialist hardliners than she is to the Victorian technocrats like Di Natale and Bandt.

It’s likely that under her the Greens will be more focused on social and class issues than they have been previously (less on the environment), and will be harder for the ALP to make deals with them.

The fact that Brown praised her so much yesterday gives you an indication on how much the centre of gravity in the party has shifted. In his day she would have been the far left flank of the party - now she is a unity candidate

Another insightful take on things Green. Thank you.

 

[evolved2]

Greens want to work with Labor to ‘get shit done’, Waters says.​

I like her already.

What's the alternative to working with the ALP?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

What's the alternative to working with the ALP?

I think the implication is if Labor want to get shit done they need to work with the Greens, who are willing to work with Labor on serious, non-gaslight policy proposals.

 

[evolved2]

I think the implication is if Labor want to get shit done they need to work with the Greens, who are willing to work with Labor on serious, non-gaslight policy proposals.

The LNP are probably easier to work with imo.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

The LNP are probably easier to work with imo.

I think there is a strong likelihood Labor will do a lot of palling up with Coalition in the senate, which will prompt those voters who still harbour delusions that Labor is in any way progressive to go “WTF??”