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Nope.The failure of government is that charity needing to exist
Governments, famously not part of society or involved in the economyNope.
It’s a failure of society and economies that ‘charities’ need to exist. Globally.
It’s a success of a society and its people that they do.
The needle's moved to the middle, and to a lesser extent the right, leaving the Greens neutral, Nats neutral, gain to ONP, huge gain for Labor.The point is the Greens primary was 11.8% in 2010. Same as 2025.
Since 2010 the major party vote has dropped from about 81% to about 67%.
So 1 in every 7 votes has shifted away from the two major parties, yet the Greens haven't managed to capitalise one bit.
They haven't managed to move the needle, in an era with a mass exodus away from the majors.
Why?
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Given the fact that people are imperfect, I can't imagine an economic state which has fixed all of society's problems.Nope.
It’s a failure of society and economies that ‘charities’ need to exist. Globally.
It’s a measure of success of a society and its people that they do.
That would be a massive squib, and would not work at all well as they hate each otherI'm hoping Larrissa Waters wins with Hanson-Young and Faruqi deputies.
Do SHYoung and Faruqiu hate each other?my guess would be Waters as leader, Faruqi remains deputy leader and SHY remains manager of senate business
Faruqi was I think out of the race when Waters put her hand up, I don't think she can win without the Queenslanders backing her. SHY could maybe win with the Victorians and Tasmanians, but Nick McKim would have to be willing to put a major wedge between the NSW/QLD and TAS/VIC blocs to make that happen.
Maybe a deal gets struck with the Queenslanders to cut Faruqi out for a Waters/SHY ticket, but that would really piss off the NSW Greens and I'm not sure anyone wants to do that
That would be a massive squib, and would not work at all well as they hate each other
I wouldn't call her abrasive, I just don't think she's a polished performer like Waters is.I have Hanson-Young as one of those good front bench but not a leader politicians, she's too abrasive all round.
all the NSW Greens hate SHY because she publically slammed the caucus for siding too much with Gillard over Abbott... they think she is a tree toryDo SHYoung and Faruqiu hate each other?
I think they will move to make climate the main overiding policy so that bodes well for SHYoung and not so much for Faruqui.all the NSW Greens hate SHY because she publically slammed the caucus for siding too much with Gillard over Abbott... they think she is a tree tory
She is also not very popular with the Tasmanian Greens because she was highly disloyal to Christine Milne when she was leader
Pulling it off will require some extremely clever politicking, if she manages it then it's an indication that the centre of gravity in the Greens caucus has shifted substantially
Agree. Articulate, intelligent, compassionate, listens and ain't shouty or arrogantly fixated on ideology.Waters wins, a great result.
Another insightful take on things Green. Thank you.This definitely indicates a Greens party where primary control is shifting from the Vic/Tas bloc to the QLD/NSW bloc. Waters is much closer to the NSW socialist hardliners than she is to the Victorian technocrats like Di Natale and Bandt.
It’s likely that under her the Greens will be more focused on social and class issues than they have been previously (less on the environment), and will be harder for the ALP to make deals with them.
The fact that Brown praised her so much yesterday gives you an indication on how much the centre of gravity in the party has shifted. In his day she would have been the far left flank of the party - now she is a unity candidate
What's the alternative to working with the ALP?Greens want to work with Labor to ‘get shit done’, Waters says.
I like her already.
I think the implication is if Labor want to get shit done they need to work with the Greens, who are willing to work with Labor on serious, non-gaslight policy proposals.What's the alternative to working with the ALP?
The LNP are probably easier to work with imo.I think the implication is if Labor want to get shit done they need to work with the Greens, who are willing to work with Labor on serious, non-gaslight policy proposals.
I think there is a strong likelihood Labor will do a lot of palling up with Coalition in the senate, which will prompt those voters who still harbour delusions that Labor is in any way progressive to go “WTF??”The LNP are probably easier to work with imo.