Dont bother, this guy cant spell the blokes name, & based on his offering here, is very unlikely to know what day it is.
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Dont bother, this guy cant spell the blokes name, & based on his offering here, is very unlikely to know what day it is.
And what distinguishes this 'type'?
F**k me, tell me how policies like this reach a wider audience to raise the %age of votes, let alone pass the sniff test.
At the very least push for high quality, high levels of public housing for access to all (obviously targeted at those who need it).
At the very least push for high quality, high levels of public housing for access to all (obviously targeted at those who need it).
Chasing votes ... ideology is not the real driver of why you are sitting on the Government not Opposition benches, its the swinging voters, not the wallys on the wings.
Indeed, those pulling left or right are often blinded by ideology, not reality. A belief that anyone who voted for their mob support their 'nut job' instincts, when in fact more swinging votes go to minor parties in the Senate in a forlorn hope it will result in the 'nut job' issues not getting up.
I accept most nut jobs deny being so damaging to the party they claim to support.
Perhaps you need select 'think' before you post.
There are plenty of references to 'nut jobs', left & right, in this thread IF you need context.
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when the greens stop attacking labor seats i'll give them a 2nd look.
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What's with Labor voters decrying the so-called 'entitlement' of The Greens and their voters, then sooking about The Greens running campaigns in Labor seats.
Reading about Osman Faruqi, he seems to be an Australian who happens to be a Muslim of Pakistani descent. He was also raised in a more left-wing, socially liberal context than your average Australian Muslim, and would have pretty much nothing in common with your average Pakistani Muslim in a cultural sense.
Similarly, while mainline Australian Christians (most Catholics/Anglicans) and Christians in the Central African Republic are both technically Christian, they don't really have much in common. The former don't eat people, for a start.
Plus, like all religions and belief systems, one can interpret Islamic text in a way that reconciles with one's own personal beliefs, even if the majority of fellow Australian Muslims don't entirely agree. No doubt Faruqi, with his mother's encouragement, has done that.
I agree that Pakistani culture is incredibly screwed-up, and that Islamic terrorism in Australia is a potential issue. However, I put that less down to Islam and more down to 1) Pakistan being extremely repressed sexually, 2) sexual repression quite often leading to deviant behaviour, 3) too many disenfranchised young men and 4) the Saudis (of course) taking advantage of such repression and disenfranchisement by malsocialising Pakistani kids and young men into the Wahhabist way of life via Saudi-funded madrassahs and mosques. These kids/young men imbibe those views because it gives them a sense of purpose and control over their lives that was previously missing. I suspect you see some of that same phenomena in certain strands of the Australian Islamic community.
FWIW, my views of The Greens as a whole are very guarded - many of their views are fine on paper but their reputation + lack of political/strategic sense (cough Adani cough) means that they don't put them forward in a way that your average Australian can really agree with or get behind.
However, they're not wrong to discourage discrimination against religious minorities per se, and neither is Faruqi. Plus, Muslims are more likely to experience such than Christians in a modern Australian context.
Why shouldnt they given the ALPs weak stance on nuc,climate, icac etc in comparison to their policies ? If anything they are being far too soft and should be getting on front foot attacking alp and lnp (worse).
They can say this is their chance for real change by saying what they will require of the ALP if they get the balance of power in either house.
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People in that region saw Adani as being a potential source of jobs in an economically-depressed region. It's as simple as that.
Organising an anti-Adani convoy and travelling into their territory won't exactly win them over in those circumstances. Quite the opposite actually - similar to Dutton rambling about Sudanese gangs in Melbourne.
TLDR; locals dislike being dictated to by outsiders.
(FWIW, I was cynical about Adani - beyond the environmental implications, the business model was poor, and it was an Indian concern so I suspected strongly that they would hire as few locals - and as many Indians, preferably from their own caste - as they could get away with. That said, the locals probably didn't realise that, and miners do spend some of their money in the wider community. However, if they were Indians, they'd also remit much of it to their relatives back in India, so the benefits to the local community would be attenutated.)
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Adani would have benefited Adani and cost tax payers a fortune, like pretty much every other fossil fuel project
There are * all mining jobs compared to say where tertiary education was pre pandemic yet we watched the LNP spend the last two years gutting one and spending billions on the other
Its got * all to do with it whats good, and ALP is sucking the miners dicks now instead of offering alternatives
Its ridiculous and I'm glad the greens aren't jumping on that bandwagon given their main platform is being against fossil fuels
I don't disagree with any of this.
The problem here is perception, not reality.
We both know that fossil fuels are going the way of the dodo, and I've explicitly said that Adani's effect on Adani territory would be nowhere near as beneficial as the locals would have hoped.
That said, those in Adani territory would have seen Adani as a (relatively) immediate way to benefit their community, whereas they would have probably perceived renewables as maybe being a nice idea, but also a bit 'pie-in-the-sky' and 'sometime in the future'. So I can understand why they wanted it to go ahead, and why the ALP humours coal miners.
The issue here is that people in general are not long-range thinkers, and Australians certainly aren't, so I wouldn't expect those in Adani territory to be.
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Maybe Bob Brown's Adani convoy would have been received a little bit better if the major parties had been transparent about the lack of jobs that the Carmichael mine would produce.
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The Greens are their own Party not an off-shoot of the ALP
The Greens stand candidates in EVERY seat
Good on the Greens who are coming out with policies and saying what they will require from the ALP.
The ALP may be lying and saying it wont do a deal but will have no choice with greens and independents holding the balance in the senate and possibly the house.
So the Greens have a real chance to not only talk about policies but force them through an ALP govt.
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The ALP may be lying and saying it wont do a deal but will have no choice with greens and independents holding the balance in the senate and possibly the house.
So the Greens have a real chance to not only talk about policies but force them through an ALP govt.
$250m Truth and Justice Commission pledge by Greens
The Greens will demand Labor begin a truth-telling and treaty process if it wins the balance of power and can form a minority government after the next poll.
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