Universal Love The Guernseys of Port

[Mero]

Did this ever apply to Collingwood when they inverted their guernsey? That would have made it a recent change.

Not really, because the intent of the change was to avoid clashes with teams like North and Geelong, who were also mostly White.
What wasn't foreseen was the clash with Carlton and Port whose mostly dark jumpers now clashed with Collingwood.
StKilda at the time of the change had the Red Crusader jumper.

 

[edgie]

Not really, because the intent of the change was to avoid clashes with teams like North and Geelong, who were also mostly White.
What wasn't foreseen was the clash with Carlton and Port whose mostly dark jumpers now clashed with Collingwood.
StKilda at the time of the change had the Red Crusader jumper.

So had that policy been enforced correctly, Collingwood should have been made to wear a clash against Port?

 

[Mero]

So had that policy been enforced correctly, Collingwood should have been made to wear a clash against Port?

Yes, But by then the AFL were making up policy on the spot to suit themselves.

 

[bomberclifford]

Did you guys originally have like make ya or blue or pink or something like that? I hate Collingwood but the black and white in our league will always be Collingwood sorry to say that and that’s the sad truth and ur just gonna have to accept that

 

[NoddyHolder]

If Eddie is mad about us playing in the PB's, imagine when we start pushing for playing with those Collingwood-like guernseys!

I understand the Collingwood style guernseys are actual Collingwood guernseys donated to us by Collingwood when we were struggling financially after the second world war.

Their club must have been run by more decent people back then than the current campaigner.

 

[Winganeen]

Best one outside Prison Bars for me.

And like Palermo sums up our AFL experience so well:

"In a personal letter Airoldi wrote on 2 February 1905 to English club councillor Joseph Whitaker, he defined pink and black poetically as "colours of the sad and the sweet", a choice he amusingly asserted to be suited for a team characterised by "results as up and down as a Swiss clock"

 

[Ljc_86]

this is hilarious!!

 

[PA88]

The Port 1884 premiership team is shown in this grainy photo
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1890 is this one
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I agree with my source at Port who determined the Magenta & Blue colours were a Dark Pink (Magenta) and a Light Blue (Similar to the hoops)
When you convert Magenta and that shade of blue to Greyscale, you get this:
View attachment 888867
Therefore, without an actual version of the jumper to view, I'd be happy to say the body of the jumper was Magenta, the Yoke was Blue, and the jumper presented at the 150 year event was incorrect.

There's a small photograph which I believe is from 1970 and I believe Cahill, Potter, Elleway are with other players dressed in our past jumpers. Two of those jumpers look like a blue torso with white yokes, two appear to be the magenta with blue stripes, and two appear to be all pink. Interesting that there was no chalk blue and white horizontal striped jumper on parade in that photo and I seem to remember that when we did wear that jumper in a showdown many years ago that it was said this jumper was a 'likely' portrayal of what our first jumper may have been. I stand to be corrected.

I understand the Collingwood style guernseys are actual Collingwood guernseys donated to us by Collingwood when we were struggling financially after the second world war.

Their club must have been run by more decent people back then than the current campaigner.

Were they donated by Collingwood? I thought they were donated by a country club, possibly Quorn? I stand to be corrected.

 

[Grave Danger]

I understand the Collingwood style guernseys are actual Collingwood guernseys donated to us by Collingwood when we were struggling financially after the second world war.

Their club must have been run by more decent people back then than the current campaigner.

John Wren wasn't it? So as you say, yes.

 

[NoddyHolder]

Were they donated by Collingwood? I thought they were donated by a country club, possibly Quorn? I stand to be corrected.

I'm actually not sure. I've heard Collingwood a couple of time - but have also at some time in the past heard it was a local team

Maybe I shouldn't wantonly go giving Collingwood credit for good deeds if I'm not absolutely certain

 

[1954]

There's a small photograph which I believe is from 1970 and I believe Cahill, Potter, Elleway are with other players dressed in our past jumpers. Two of those jumpers look like a blue torso with white yokes, two appear to be the magenta with blue stripes, and two appear to be all pink. Interesting that there was no chalk blue and white horizontal striped jumper on parade in that photo and I seem to remember that when we did wear that jumper in a showdown many years ago that it was said this jumper was a 'likely' portrayal of what our first jumper may have been. I stand to be corrected.




Were they donated by Collingwood? I thought they were donated by a country club, possibly Quorn? I stand to be corrected.

The other players wearing historic jumpers in the 1970 centenary celebration were Neville Thiele and Dennis Errey.

 

[PA88]

I'm actually not sure. I've heard Collingwood a couple of time - but have also at some time in the past heard it was a local team

Maybe I shouldn't wantonly go giving Collingwood credit for good deeds if I'm not absolutely certain

My memory leans towards an SA club donated them.

 

[Prison bar Pete]

The other players wearing historic jumpers in the 1970 centenary celebration were Neville Thiele and Dennis Errey.

Here's a pretty crappy version of that picture:

(I didn't note the source unfortunately; probably the Port Adelaide FC website yonks ago)
The magenta & blue one is a bit mixed up it seems:
(http://footyjumpers.com/portpre.htm)

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Here's a pretty crappy version of that picture:
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(I didn't note the source unfortunately; probably the Port Adelaide FC website yonks ago)
The magenta & blue one is a bit mixed up it seems:
View attachment 890650(http://footyjumpers.com/portpre.htm)

I have that as XX, Ron Elleway, Eric Freeman, Peter Woite, XX, John Cahill. Can anyone fill in the X's?

 

[1954]

I have that as XX, Ron Elleway, Eric Freeman, Peter Woite, XX, John Cahill. Can anyone fill in the X's?

The XX before Elleway is Dennis Errey, and the one between Woite and Cahill is Neville Thiele.

 

[Mero]

There's a small photograph which I believe is from 1970 and I believe Cahill, Potter, Elleway are with other players dressed in our past jumpers. Two of those jumpers look like a blue torso with white yokes, two appear to be the magenta with blue stripes, and two appear to be all pink. Interesting that there was no chalk blue and white horizontal striped jumper on parade in that photo and I seem to remember that when we did wear that jumper in a showdown many years ago that it was said this jumper was a 'likely' portrayal of what our first jumper may have been. I stand to be corrected.

The thing I've found researching history is there's often new information that comes to light, challenging the official story.
Look at StKilda's WW1 jumpers.
They were recorded as changing the White to Yellow(because of the German Flag), and if you weren't there, it's easy to imagine they were just the White stripes dyed to Yellow. However, once the Boyle photos were discovered in 2007 it became clear the cigarette cards of the era were not an artists impression but that the jumpers were completely different. They're here: http://www.footyjumpers.com/stkildahome.htm
Another example is Essendon. Their founder became the League president. He did an interview in 1912 where he said the colours were originally Black & Red stripes. If you get the original official history of Essendon it says the same. However, he was only talking about the socks. The jumpers were Blue, and they added a sash a few years later.
I have found there is also a prejudice that we tend to infer simplicity on previous generations.
We expect they wouldn't have changed much because they were simpler times, and clubs wouldn't be interested in changing their colours.
All photos are obviously B&W, so a Magenta and Light Blue vest will look like a Blue & White vest, so we assume it's the same thing.


I would suggest since the 1970 photo that more evidence has been uncovered, and that even the event of displaying the jumpers like that might have led to people coming forward with further information.
If Port changed to Magenta in 1884, then all photos taken after that would have been in those colours.
It may be the same design as the Blue & White, they may even be the same jumpers dyed to the new colours.

As far as I can tell, this is the first photo of a Port team, and honestly, the Hoops look darker than the Light Blue the club is promoting
(Perhaps they just didn't want to look like Geelong in that Heritage game in 2005)

 

[GremioPower]

The thing I've found researching history is there's often new information that comes to light, challenging the official story.
Look at StKilda's WW1 jumpers.
They were recorded as changing the White to Yellow(because of the German Flag), and if you weren't there, it's easy to imagine they were just the White stripes dyed to Yellow. However, once the Boyle photos were discovered in 2007 it became clear the cigarette cards of the era were not an artists impression but that the jumpers were completely different. They're here: http://www.footyjumpers.com/stkildahome.htm
Another example is Essendon. Their founder became the League president. He did an interview in 1912 where he said the colours were originally Black & Red stripes. If you get the original official history of Essendon it says the same. However, he was only talking about the socks. The jumpers were Blue, and they added a sash a few years later.
I have found there is also a prejudice that we tend to infer simplicity on previous generations.
We expect they wouldn't have changed much because they were simpler times, and clubs wouldn't be interested in changing their colours.
All photos are obviously B&W, so a Magenta and Light Blue vest will look like a Blue & White vest, so we assume it's the same thing.


I would suggest since the 1970 photo that more evidence has been uncovered, and that even the event of displaying the jumpers like that might have led to people coming forward with further information.
If Port changed to Magenta in 1884, then all photos taken after that would have been in those colours.
It may be the same design as the Blue & White, they may even be the same jumpers dyed to the new colours.

As far as I can tell, this is the first photo of a Port team, and honestly, the Hoops look darker than the Light Blue the club is promoting
(Perhaps they just didn't want to look like Geelong in that Heritage game in 2005)
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If there's light blue, than it would be the lighter gray. There's no white at all.

 

[Pappagallo]

If there's light blue, than it would be the lighter gray. There's no white at all.

Yeah that was my first thought too. The darker hoops look black, or perhaps dark navy. Black and light blue hoops would make a nicer looking kit than the Argeelongtina version we’ve concocted.

 

[GremioPower]

Yeah that was my first thought too. The darker hoops look black, or perhaps dark navy. Black and light blue hoops would make a nicer looking kit than the Argeelongtina version we’ve concocted.

I concur!

P.S.: I have no idea whether Grêmio actually played with this design, but it does look good.

 

[PA88]

I concur!

P.S.: I have no idea whether Grêmio actually played with this design, but it does look good.

Come up with more designs and new colour schemes Gremio.

 

[GremioPower]

Come up with more designs and new colour schemes Gremio.

There are plenty of designs, but they are all blue, black, and white. We may change the shade of blue. It happens quote often.

Overall, there were some with golden or silver/gray details, but those were minor touches. That's all I can remember.

We have the benefit of having goalkeepers with theit own shirt. Those can go wild. Only rule is "no red."

 

[PA88]

There are plenty of designs, but they are all blue, black, and white. We may change the shade of blue. It happens quote often.

Overall, there were some with golden or silver/gray details, but those were minor touches. That's all I can remember.

We have the benefit of having goalkeepers with theit own shirt. Those can go wild. Only rule is "no red."

I meant for Port. You made a thread for Port's jumpers and seem motivated to redesign more jumpers and adopt more colours.

 

[GremioPower]

I meant for Port. You made a thread for Port's jumpers and seem motivated to redesign more jumpers and adopt more colours.

I have posts on this. I would need to find them. But don't forget that I am also deeply in favor of the #bringbackthebars

 

[PA88]

I have posts on this. I would need to find them. But don't forget that I am also deeply in favor of the #bringbackthebars

Nah. You're in favour of many different colours and jumpers.

 

[GremioPower]

Nah. You're in favour of many different colours and jumpers.

Yes, I am in favor of that TOO. I don't see any conflict between both positions whatsoever. It's quite the contrary, actually.

A tree may grow and change. Still, it remains the same tree. That's because it's always connected to its roots.

A tree may change its looks depending on the season, but the roots make sure the tree goes on. Also, the roots are that which allow the tree to reach for the sky. The firmer its roots are, the taller the tree can grow.

The PB is an essential part of our roots. We need it. With it, there is no need to be against the Spring. Like a tree, we may let flowers bloom in many colours, while remaining who we are.