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Serious 7D chess from Powell there. We were all unreasonable not to believe the claims of fraud. Therefore the election was rigged.

Now no reasonable person should have believed her claims of fraud. But the claims of fraud are still true anyway.
 

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"At a crucial moment in Rudd’s presentation, David Van, a Liberal senator from Victoria, swinging stupidly for the boundary rope, described his home state as “Danistan”. Van’s use of News Corporation’s perverted language to deny that News Corporation perverts language this way was… well, basically what you’d expect from Victorian Liberals. This is a subset of private school kids defined by repeated attempts to undermine a successful but depressing coronavirus lockdown – and an extraordinary ability to mess up arithmetic by around 60 billion dollars."

It just delivers... :tearsofjoy:
 
The executive producer of ABC 7.30 and a Channel 10 news journo are saying how great this is on Tracy Grimshaw's twitter. 🤔

Seems like a very appropriate choice of program to be interviewed on anyway.

 
Morrison plopping on ACA to be lobbed a series of gentle softballs says all you need to know about him.

Vapid, gormless coward.
 
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Doss said:
Morrison plopping on ACA to be lobbed a serious of gentle softballs says all you need to know about him.

Vapid, gormless coward.
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He might've thought he was going to get a few gentle softballs, but he doesn't look any better right now than if Leigh Sales had interviewed him.

I think the choice of program is probably a demographic thing – aimed at the women in the leafy suburbs that they didn't realise were actually going to care when the whole thing kicked off.


Bonus point for the ad break 😒
 
Lore said:
He might've thought he was going to get a few gentle softballs, but he doesn't look any better right now than if Leigh Sales had interviewed him.

I think the choice of program is probably a demographic thing – aimed at the women in the leafy suburbs that they didn't realise were actually going to care when the whole thing kicked off.


Bonus point for the ad break 😒
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Perhaps Costello pulled rank
 

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Western countries have long "apologised" for colonialism by supposedly demonstrating a "commitment" to change. The issue in Palestine is proof that countries like the US have never changed. They fund and support a slow genocide by an apartheid state to maintain global power. Western media continue to perpetuate the notion that this is a two-sided war to deflect from the large imbalance of resources and power. When the Israelis attack using US funded weapons, it's supposedly out of self-defence, even though they are the aggressors violating basic human rights. How can the aggressors be the victims? They put Palestinians in a precarious position. Retaliate and they'll kill 1000s of civilians in the name of "self-defence". Remain silent and they'll continue forcing Palestinian families out of their homes.

Western countries continue to support the war crimes and human rights violations committed by the Israeli government for self-serving purposes, proving what a sham "human rights" advocacy really is. I'll never understand how the conflict in Palestine is considered to be a taboo subject when it isn't complex at all. It's colonialism/apartheid/genocide taking place in the 21st century. Even describing it as a conflict is a euphemism for genocide.

Western countries sanction China for their treatment of the Uighur Muslims while funding the Israeli military to bully a nation that has next to no resources or powerful allies. It's pure hypocrisy.
 
JayJ20 said:
Western countries have long "apologised" for colonialism by supposedly demonstrating a "commitment" to change. The issue in Palestine is proof that countries like the US have never changed. They fund and support a slow genocide by an apartheid state to maintain global power. Western media continue to perpetuate the notion that this is a two-sided war to deflect from the large imbalance of resources and power. When the Israelis attack using US funded weapons, it's supposedly out of self-defence, even though they are the aggressors violating basic human rights. How can the aggressors be the victims? They put Palestinians in a precarious position. Retaliate and they'll kill 1000s of civilians in the name of "self-defence". Remain silent and they'll continue forcing Palestinian families out of their homes.

Western countries continue to support the war crimes and human rights violations committed by the Israeli government for self-serving purposes, proving what a sham "human rights" advocacy really is. I'll never understand how the conflict in Palestine is considered to be a taboo subject when it isn't complex at all. It's colonialism/apartheid/genocide taking place in the 21st century. Even describing it as a conflict is a euphemism for genocide.

Western countries sanction China for their treatment of the Uighur Muslims while funding the Israeli military to bully a nation that has next to no resources or powerful allies. It's pure hypocrisy.
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The treatment of Palestinians by Israel is a war crime. The sanction of it by the US in particular reprehensible. The worst part is that it's hard to see anything changing any time soon.
 
Completely unsurprising that the lowest intelligence white people shifted to vote for conservative arseholes.

The funny thing is, they THINK they’re voting in their own self-interest - but they aren’t. They’re doing quite the opposite actually. They’d be better served voting for candidates and philosophies more inclined to foster socialist policies (read the economic left) instead of these unmitigated *heads that care NOTHING for them.

They, along with the more established conservative voters (who know EXACTLY what they’re voting for) are the reason these incompetent shitstains keep getting elected.
 
Jade said:
Completely unsurprising that the lowest intelligence white people shifted to vote for conservative arseholes.
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Garbage.

Someone isnt unintelligent just because they decided to not go to university, and instead do a trade or other vocation that doesnt require a degree.

There were plenty of people i went to uni with that wouldnt have an IQ bigger than their age by the way they acted.
 
Jade said:
Completely unsurprising that the lowest intelligence white people shifted to vote for conservative arseholes.

The funny thing is, they THINK they’re voting in their own self-interest - but they aren’t. They’re doing quite the opposite actually. They’d be better served voting for candidates and philosophies more inclined to foster socialist policies (read the economic left) instead of these unmitigated fu**heads that care NOTHING for them.

They, along with the more established conservative voters (who know EXACTLY what they’re voting for) are the reason these incompetent shitstains keep getting elected.
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Yes, but 'chest-feeding' – 'If they're being politically correct then they're probably going to do something that isn't in my interests'.

Which is in fact true of any extreme group that puts ideology before the needs of real people.

The libs seem to have distanced themselves from the ideological right wing a bit better, with just a couple of noisy ones on the fringe dog-whistling and allowing the rest of them to distance themselves from it. Labor doesn't really have the option to distance itself from the noisy fringe because they tend not to be in their party in the first place, so they don't get the points for it among the left (the points go to the Greens or whoever), nor can they distance themselves to win votes from the middle, because they often need the Greens. So political expediency drives the libs to distance themselves from the right fringe while still having it win votes for the party, while Labor doesn't have it in the party room as much, but also can't distance themselves from it publicly?

Also I wouldn't lump non-university educated people all in together. You don't have to go to university to be an intelligent, competent person. My fam is full of highly-specialised tradies and stay at home mums and I wouldn't say they're all acolytes of Neil Mitchell.

I think the echo-chamber you subscribe to makes more of a difference, although white-collar people who are more likely to have degrees are also more likely to spend their time on social media (apolitical to left-leaning, with some exceptions) while blue-collar who are less likely to have degrees are also more likely to listen to radio in their cars, trucks or workshops (which is apolitical to right-leaning, so long as it's not Triple J). So basically correlation≠causation.

It's probably also why there is a white/non-white difference I think. Lumping everyone who isn't white together is sort of bizarre, when you think about it? What have non-white people actually got in common? 1000s of different backgrounds represented by that one label doesn't work for me. What might make the uni/non-uni pattern less strong is whether they have a migrant background from a non-English speaking country. And the reason for that is that they may have been university educated in a language other than English, but their quals don't count here and they end up in blue collar jobs.

What your echo chamber chooses to share and focus on is going to limit the amount of information you have on which to form an opinion. If you're somewhere in the middle, where you generally want people to be free to do as they please so long as they're not hurting anyone else, but still value a secular, egalitarian society with socialised healthcare and education... I really don't know where it leaves you tbh.
 
Loonerty said:
I don't think it's a surprise that people with lower levels of education are more susceptible to propaganda, which, given our media landscape...
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Proganda's a large part of the problem.

But I know a lot of intelligent people who didn't attend higher education that vote against candidates they think represents a part of the population that looks down on them for not pursuing that education.
 
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