List Mgmt. The Hangover

[The Royal Sampler]

Of course we can.

Richmond debuted a convicted (and jailed) criminal in a Grand Final. Collingwood threw a lifeline to Andrew Krakouer who had also been jailed.

Dane Swan was convicted of assault and served 100 hours of community service.

Yes but those assaults were of men, and society does not view the assault of a man in the same way as they do a woman. Because reasons.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

If he’s found guilty of indecent assault he’ll be history. Surprised anyone would disagree to be honest.

Because like any crime there are very wide scales of how serious these individual crimes are. You are using the term "ïndecent assault" very emotively.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Reverse racism?
What the?

Its a good news story when Pickett and Krakouer are given second chances. But a white guy? Delist.

 

[jmac70]

Because like any crime there are very wide scales of how serious these individual crimes are. You are using the term "ïndecent assault" very emotively.

As I said earlier, I’ll wait and see what happens.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

As I said earlier, I’ll wait and see what happens.

No you've already said he'll be history if found guilty. Regardless of how serious the crime turned out to be or what the punishment would be. You've prejudged him.

 

[jmac70]

No you've already said he'll be history if found guilty. Regardless of how serious the crime turned out to be or what the punishment would be. You've prejudged him.

I haven’t prejudged him at all. I’ve no idea what the finding will be. It is a serious crime though, so IF he is found guilty, there will be consequences for his continued employment at the club.
If you don’t believe that, then that’s your choice.

 

[jackcass]

Yes but those assaults were of men, and society does not view the assault of a man in the same way as they do a woman. Because reasons.

How about we wait till we're aware of the actual circumstances of the charges before we start making definitive statement about him being out if found guilty though shall we.

 

[swoop42]

I doubt we'll see more than 4 to 6 players departing and for good reason.

Firstly we will have to create a minimum of 3 or possibly 4 list spots just to ensure we can generate enough points to match a bid on Daicos without incurring any 1st round deficit for 2022. After matching that bid and using multiple picks in the process our remaining draft selections will all be taken at the latter stages of the national draft (or subsequent drafts) so I doubt we will be wanting to fill a host of vacant list positions under such circumstances.

We could of course choose to trade future selections after matching the Daicos bid and look to improve our draft hand for 2021 but who knows whether the club view that as a preferable option. We might well have to swap a future 3rd for a pick this season just to cover the cost of Daicos. If we were to trade away a future 2nd and/or 3rd round selection I'm personally leaning towards us identifying and targeting talented opposition players who are being under utilised and looking for greater opportunity.

Secondly, with a new coach in 2022 I'd be cautious not to make any rash decision on any young player or trade away any good player who might have some trade currency.

Personally I would want to see what their fortunes hold with a fresh voice and new approach before re-evaluating at the end of 2022.

Players aged 30 and over next season is where I'd start looking to generate vacancies and we may not have to prune any deeper than Greenwood, Mayne, Cox and Thomas.

Given the amount of player movement our club already witnessed last year, our lack of trade currency in terms of players we can afford to lose and the ongoing question mark over our salary cap situation we might well have to prepare ourselves for a trade/draft period that only see the additions of Daicos, Dib and a couple of moneyball selections.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

How about we wait till we're aware of the actual circumstances of the charges before we start making definitive statement about him being out if found guilty though shall we.

Agree completely.

 

[jonmacTrag]

Who cares what the media think?

Its actually reverse racism to be playing that card, after the way the media applauded Richmond for giving Pickett a lifeline.

The media will have long moved on from whatever JDG verdict there is by the time the 2022 season rolls around.

Sadly too many people care what the media think - a great many of them on these pages.

 

[jackcass]

I haven’t prejudged him at all. I’ve no idea what the finding will be. It is a serious crime though, so IF he is found guilty, there will be consequences for his continued employment at the club.
If you don’t believe that, then that’s your choice.

AFL and the club had already signed off on his continuing to play when this first came to their attention. There'd have to be a significant change in the circumstances of the case to merit them to change that view.

 

[jmac70]

AFL and the club had already signed off on his continuing to play when this first came to their attention. There'd have to be a significant change in the circumstances of the case to merit them to change that view.

Well he’s been charged. I’d say that’s a pretty big change.

 

[jackcass]

Well he’s been charged. I’d say that’s a pretty big change.

Not necessarily, but it suits your prejudged position I guess to think that.

 

[jmac70]

Not necessarily, but it suits your prejudged position I guess to think that.

What’s not necessary? He is up on a charge and will be judged very soon!

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I haven’t prejudged him at all. I’ve no idea what the finding will be. It is a serious crime though, so IF he is found guilty, there will be consequences for his continued employment at the club.
If you don’t believe that, then that’s your choice.

Depends on your definition of serious . You’re keeping your options open there.

 

[jmac70]

Depends on your definition of serious . You’re keeping your options open there.

Yeah, I reckon indecent assault is a serious crime.
Don’t you?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Yeah, I reckon indecent assault is a serious crime.
Don’t you?

So you have prejudged! Make your mind up.

Like all crimes there is a sliding scale of severity.

 

[jmac70]

So you have prejudged! Make your mind up.

Like all crimes there is a sliding scale of severity.

I’ll wait for the judges verdict Timmy.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I’ll wait for the judges verdict Timmy.

Make your mind up. You said guilty and he’s out.

What if ( as many suspect) if he’s found guilty he gets a good behaviour bond? Where’s your moral stance there? If he’s guilty, He’s out?

 

[jmac70]

Make your mind up. You said guilty and he’s out.

What if ( as many suspect) if he’s found guilty he gets a good behaviour bond? Where’s your moral stance there? If he’s guilty, He’s out?

If he’s guilty, he’s out.

 

[sideswipe]

Make your mind up. You said guilty and he’s out.

What if ( as many suspect) if he’s found guilty he gets a good behaviour bond? Where’s your moral stance there? If he’s guilty, He’s out?

If found guilty, the most common sentence for sexual assault is a community corrections order, followed by prison or a combination of the two. Every case is different. Suggest waiting for the case to be heard and decided is the best approach for all.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

If found guilty, the most common sentence for sexual assault is a community corrections order, followed by prison or a combination of the two. Every case is different. Suggest waiting for the case to be heard and decided is the best approach for all.

Yeah but if he’s guilty he’s out

 

[jmac70]

Yeah but if he’s guilty he’s out

Can you describe what a minor infringement of indecent assault would look like?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Luckily Dane Swan

Dane Swan

Age

42

Ht

185cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.9

5star

K

16.4

5star

HB

10.4

5star

M

5.9

5star

T

3.1

5star

CL

5.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

12.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

wasn’t delisted when he was Guilty. But that wasn’t sexual assault so I guess it doesn’t classify as serious enough for the moral judges

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Can you describe what a minor infringement of indecent assault would look like?

Yes I easily can imagine very many minor infringements but I don’t want to speculate. That would just derail the thread.