The Hawthorn 3peat: is it an accident of history?

[treefingers]

The OP is clearly taking the piss, but I do genuinely worry that some of the Essendon posters on here might actually believe the rubbish that they're spitting out.

 

[romeohwho]

After reading a vast number, and I mean vast, of posts from Adelaide and Geelong supporters it can be that the ONLY reason, THE ONLY REASON, Hawthorn won three in a row was because they were playing interstate sides on their home deck.

Uhuh, and it's not like if the positions were reversed, the hawker fans wouldn't be saying exactly the same thing.
You are venturing into territory you don't understand, that's all.

 

[hk89]

And yet 37 pages on there's been no reasoned opinion providing evidence which dismisses the thoughts expressed in the OP

"And yet after all these WADA/ASADA investigations there's been no reasoned opinion providing evidence of drug use..."

I swear you guys have a one move play book.

 

[benneth]

but I do genuinely worry that some of the Essendon posters on here might actually believe the rubbish that they're spitting out.

That's the best bit.

 

[hk89]

McPharlin and Farmer came at great cost to the Dockers. They didn't get them as cheap as Lake or Frawley. It's strange that you keep going on about them and comparing to exceedingly cheap recruits you got at a time you were up the top of the ladder.

This is just ignorance now. McPharlin was essentially free. He was wrapped up in the Croad for #1 pick deal because it was convenient. If we hadn't sent him as part of that deal, he was going for nothing, and Freo knew it. Freo overpaid for Croad by giving up the #1 pick, a blow that was softened by the fact that were getting McPharlin for free with or without parting with the #1 pick. Freo paid #17 for Farmer, for an elite small forward, a very reasonable price. Yes we got Lake for way less, but he was 30+ so you'd expect to pay less for him than Farmer cost Freo. Frawley was our only free agency pickup at that time, so yes, as a free agent we got him for the price of the contract. What Melbourne got back for him (pick 3 from the AFL) highlight how Hawthorn had to battle against equalisation policies (and no doubt AFL agenda with their secret sauces formula for compensation) during that period when we got pick #19 for Franklin.

Freo vs Hawthorn trading highlights why Hawthorn were able to win three flags on the trot, and it hadn't nothing to do with draft concessions for other teams. It was all about being smart versus being dumb. Freo should never have had to pay pick #17 for Farmer. Freo traded out both Farmer and Mcleod from their list for spuds. If Freo had kept those two and not got involved in the silly Croad trade and picked up Judd or Hodge themselves, they'd likely have won flags too. And yet in this thread I've learnt it is the compromised draft that made all the difference. Hawthorn owned the rest of the competition both on and off the field while your club was disowning the architects of their doping regime. The only teams that got close were Geelong and Sydney, whose best teams over the last 10 years would stack up favourably against any of the best teams of history, and we beat them both in grand finals during this period.

As for Geelong fans complaining 2013-2015 was all about there not being any strong teams around. Our 2013 team was stronger on paper by a fair margin than the team that pantsed your 2008 team which was at a time when Geelong's own legendary team was in their prime. Periods can look weak when one team is playing grand finals like they did in 2014, but how about some credit to Hawthorn for making teams like Sydney 2014 and Geelong 2008 look like deers in the headlights? We were very ******* good.

 

[King Brown]

This is just ignorance now. McPharlin was essentially free. He was wrapped up in the Croad for #1 pick deal because it was convenient. If we hadn't sent him as part of that deal, he was going for nothing, and Freo knew it. Freo overpaid for Croad by giving up the #1 pick

What a load of disingenuous tosh. Fremantle didn't just give up pick 1.

 

[Power Raid]

Of course it was an "accident of history" given the unique circumstances of the league. but it takes nothing away from the Hawks achievements (along with the cats and the swans) during this period. There are 18 sides who could have capitalised on the opportunity but it was the Hawks (and add the swans and cats) who did.

Well done Hawks!

 

[Holy Rioli]

Well now you're dealing in complete hypotheticals. It's like saying, if I give $1000 to a person on the poverty line, they'll be better off - but you'd be completely guessing as to what they'd actually DO with that currency.

However there are a couple of REAL easy suggestions.

Fremantle won, what, 8 of their last 10 H&A games in 2012, and got through to a semi.

They then actively traded their way up the draft. Whose to say in an uncompromised draft they couldn't have looked to trade in someone like Tom Hickey, who may legitimately have been the difference in the GF the next year?

Or Port Adelaide, who were IMO completely umpired out of their prelim against the Hawks (tell me again about digging deep FFS) - could they not have used the currency in the 2013 off-season to find four points worth of improvement?

Christ Hawks fans have a woefully inflated view of the actual capacity of it's side/s.

Think you might need to watch that Hawthorn vs Port prelim again mate. 9-1 free kicks to Port in the last quarter, the umps pretty much got the whole lot of them wrong, but people only like to melt down about the Hodge holding the ball free.

Who's to say our currency also wouldn't have improved as well to counter any gains that teams made who lost close finals to us? Your bias is obvious and logic is flawed.

 

[hk89]

What a load of disingenuous tosh. Fremantle didn't just give up pick 1.

No, they gave up #20 & #36. If you want to be generous and say that was for McPharlin, they still got McPharlin for a steal despite your bleatings. However, this is extremely generous given McPharlin was uncontracted and was going to walk anyway , and Freo had come last that year so would have been first in line to pick him up had we not struck a deal. As dumb as Freo were at the time, giving up picks for a player in that situation would have been super dumb. McPharlin was free, and you were wrong. Admit it, and slink away to reminisce about the days when Hird was a respected member of the AFL community.

 

[yodellinhank]

No, they gave up #20 & #36. If you want to be generous and say that was for McPharlin, they still got McPharlin for a steal despite your bleatings. However, this is extremely generous given McPharlin was uncontracted and was going to walk anyway , and Freo had come last that year so would have been first in line to pick him up had we not struck a deal. As dumb as Freo were at the time, giving up picks for a player in that situation would have been super dumb. McPharlin was free, and you were wrong. Admit it, and slink away to reminisce about the days when Hird was a respected member of the AFL community.

Grand final day 2017?

 

[hk89]

Grand final day 2017?

First ever guy to give out a norm smith medal and get booed for it. You have a pretty low bar for respect.

 

[seysearles]

Really - this from a bomber supporter where an entire board was devoted to them so they were able to tell us "they're innocent"

The dog supporters telling us they didn't get lucky in 2016

The tiger supporters telling us that they would of beaten geelong in geelong

Geelong supporters telling us they were dudded - again and again and again

It's Big Footy - it's how it works

The only legitimate measure is the silverware. Everything else means s**t. Those cups can never be taken away.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

That's the best bit.

That's not the best bit

 

[threesixpio]

Yes to comment on the size of the thread.

If we'd 3peated I would just laugh at something like this and be on my way. Only Hawthorne supporters would go on and on and on about it trying desperately to have their opinions validated by, well anyone really. The Rising Star was no different. Funny lot.

Ryan Burton = Lindy Chamberlain
Andrew McGrath = the Dingo
Rising Star = Azaria

You know it

We want justice

 

[threesixpio]

That's not the best bit

Is this your Sistern Chapel of Bigfooty threads Lance?

 

[Gavin Excell]

The OP is clearly taking the piss, but I do genuinely worry that some of the Essendon posters on here might actually believe the rubbish that they're spitting out.

The greater worry is that Essendon fans think they are shaping up for a flag next year

 

[Gavin Excell]

Ryan Burton = Lindy Chamberlain
Andrew McGrath = the Dingo
Rising Star = Azaria

You know it

We want justice

How can justice be delivered?

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Ryan Burton = Lindy Chamberlain
Andrew McGrath = the Dingo

similar temperaments that's for sure

 

[yodellinhank]

Read the thread.

Whew. Okay I've got there. Couldn't find it. Mostly all i could find were cheap off topic shots at the OP's club.

It would seem there hasn't been anything to dispel the fact the 3 hawthorn flags in a row were largely thanks to a quirk, or accident of history, as it were.

 

[BattlerGM]

Righto, this really has gone on long enough.

Were the compromised drafts a slight factor in Hawthorn's success? Yes

Was it an advantage to play interstate teams in Melbourne for each of Hawthorn's flags? Yes

Does this make what the Hawks achieved illegitimate or an 'accident of history? No

Is Hawthorn's three-peat an incredible achievement that leaves opposition supporters bitter? Yes

Good on Hawthorn? F**kin' oath.

End of.

 

[cryptor]

Whew. Okay I've got there. Couldn't find it. Mostly all i could find were cheap off topic shots at the OP's club.

It would seem there hasn't been anything to dispel the fact the 3 hawthorn flags in a row were largely thanks to a quirk, or accident of history, as it were.

You're inability to comprehend isn't my problem. Agreeing with the OP (which is an obvious troll anyway) just makes you a simpleton. Now run along.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Were the compromised drafts a slight factor in Hawthorn's success? Yes.

Nah, can’t agree with this if you’re saying it was slightly beneficial.

 

[yodellinhank]

You're inability to comprehend isn't my problem. Agreeing with the OP (which is an obvious troll anyway) just makes you a simpleton. Now run along.

Comprehend what, you haven't refuted any of the points raised.

 

[yodellinhank]

Nah, can’t agree with this if you’re saying it was slightly beneficial.

Indeed. It was almost wholly beneficial. Middle of the road sides weren't able to get the usual boost of top ten picks. So instead scrambled for more draft picks by trading out ready made players who the hawks picked up at a discount rate plugging the holes in their list.

 

[blue harvest]

Indeed. It was almost wholly beneficial. Middle of the road sides weren't able to get the usual boost of top ten picks. So instead scrambled for more draft picks by trading out ready made players who the hawks picked up at a discount rate plugging the holes in their list.

We were a middle of the road side in 2010 and weren't able to get the usual boost of top ten picks, we got pushed all the way down to 19 when we should have had a top 10 pick. Difference is our superior player talent identification skills meant we nailed our low pick.