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Preview The Home Ground Factor in Finals is hugely overrated

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  1. Pessimistic

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    What has crept in is opinions that non Melbourne teams should have had home grand finals where they deserved it from home and away qualification. So it’s not a simple they won x we won x equation.

    But then there’s the whole discussion whether home and away is a true reflection of deserving, compromised as it is
     
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  2. Luv_our_club

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    A decent interstate team (non-Vic) has a high chance of finishing top 2, given the advantage they have of accumulating wins at home against visiting teams during the season. It is often easy to predict at the start of the season that a certain non-vic team will earn two home finals... and thus very likely make the grand final.

    Vic v Vic grand finals are thus rare.
     
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  3. bh90210fan

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    How many wins do you need to make top 2? 15, 16 most seasons. We get 10 with home ground advantage. We have to win a bunch of games on the road to get there.
     
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    That's about 4-6 more clear home games than Vic teams get
     
  5. bh90210fan

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    We also get 4-6 more clear away games. A majority of which we have to win to make top 2
     
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  6. go_the_dockers

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    Playing 10 home and 10 away games helps you finish towards the middle.

    5 home, 12 neutral and 5 away games makes it easier to finish at either end of the ladder.
     
  7. simmo97

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    i would take a home final over travelling any day of the week.

    Home Finals 11wins-4 losses 73%
    Away Finals 7 Wins-14 losses 33%
     
  8. blue harvest

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    I'm not. I'm comparing Vic vs Non Vic GFs. At the time of that post it was 8 wins a piece. It's now 9-8 in favour of Non Vics.
     
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    The OP is about home ground advantage. There can't be a home ground advantage unless there is a Vic and Non Vic team in the GF. Currently that is 6-3 in favour of Vic teams
     
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    What happened the other 8 times a Victorian team met a non-Victorian team in the GF?
     
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    In the last 16 GF's there was only Vic and Non Vic Teams met 9 times to give a 6-3 result in the last 17 years thy have met 10 times to give a 6-4 result
     

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    Why unnecessarily cut down the sample?
     
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    Assume it was based on the current finals system and not the previous one which would make sense.
     
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    Why would that make sense? The GF did not change at all.
    I’m pretty sure it’s because if we go back just 3 more years, it becomes 6-6
     
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    Lets see how you truly feel about it (if you can be unbiased for just a moment)

    This season 2019 WCE will travel just 4 times for the season. Those away games will be against 14th, 10th, 12th and 6th. Nice. Happy days.

    They get handed this draw after being top 2-4 throughout 2018.

    To start the season the AFL gives them...
    Rnd 1 Perth
    Rnd 2 Perth
    Rnd 3 Perth
    Rnd 4 Perth
    Rnd 5 Perth
    Rnd 6 Perth
    Rnd 7 Perth

    Sweet leg up to kick off the season.

    ...and to finish off season going into finals they will get this

    Rnd 16 Perth
    Rnd 17 Perth
    Rnd 18 Perth
    Rnd 19 Perth
    Rnd 20 Perth
    Rnd 21 Perth
    Rnd 22 Perth

    Home finals.... Perth
    GF..... Perth.

    10 games straight in Perth.

    If WCE cannot win a flag with that assistance they are kidding themselves.

    Thats the 2010 season. An absolutely disgraceful gift that should never be allowed to happen again.
     
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    If over half their games are against fellow Perth based teams who are competing for the top 4, then yes, that's fine by me.
     
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    All that needs to be said is that the majority of Vic fans just don’t get it and never will. That is the reality.
     
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    No but how to get to the GF did. Just as important.
     
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    That would be fair if it was the final 5 and one team had an objectively easier build up. The old final 8 required both teams to win a prelim and beyond that it really has no effect
     
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    Except the change to the current system was made for the 2000 season.
     
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    Why would you complain? In this scenario, you don't have to travel and in the end will get them at you home ground, so they have to travel.
     
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    If you thought the Pies 2010 fixture was a gift, you should check out 1977

    All 22 games in Melbourne!! Even avoided a trip to CatPark!!

    Compare it to the premier league, another competition where a large number of teams come from the one city.

    In 2018/19 there are six London clubs in the premier league

    Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Fulham, West Ham and Palace

    According to your inane logic, Fulham playing Arsenal ‘away’ is a win for Fulham because it is in London!

    How would the Eagles feel about only playing 3 games with an actual Home Ground Advantage!?
     
  23. Chumly

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    Doggies supporters rave about their 2016 fairytale because they had to travel to Perth and Sydney.

    Hawthorn supporters rave about their 2015 premiership because they had to go to Perth twice (final H&A plus first week)

    If playing away is no big deal then why are these supporters claiming it is?
     
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    If you thought the Pies 2010 fixture was a gift, you should check out 1977

    All 22 games in Melbourne!! Even avoided a trip to CatPark!!

    Compare it to the premier league, another competition where a large number of teams come from the one city.

    In 2018/19 there are six London clubs in the premier league

    Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Fulham, West Ham and Palace

    According to your inane logic, Fulham playing Arsenal ‘away’ is a win for Fulham because it is in London!

    How would the Eagles feel about only playing 3 games with an actual Home Ground Advantage!?

    It is easier to have 10 games with a full blown advantage, and then thanks to ground rationalisation in Melbourne, they don’t get 10 proper away games...instead getting random venues like Darwin, Tassie which aren’t their opponents actual home ground.

    No surprise that since 2000, when Etihad stadium came in, that non-Melbourne teams now dominate the top 2 H&A ladder positions and thus home finals.
     
  25. dean33

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    In this scenario we didn’t get them in the grand final, we got 2 finals both at neutral venues with nil home ground advantage and lost the prelim. The eagles got 2 finals with a considerable home ground advantage and made the grand final eventually winning the flag. Do I complain that we got no home ground advantage in any of our finals after finishing 2 games clear on top? Like I said previously, it’s swings and roundabouts, sometimes the system works in your favour, sometimes it doesn’t.
     
  26. Isaac Cumming No 1

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    I dont agree they got home ground advantage in finals this year. They beat the Pies at Optus and the MCG. I respect what the Demons are building, but I cant conclude anything other than WC would have won that game comfortably absolutely anywhere.

    Even In 2015 the reversal between the QF and the GF was about the fact the QF isn't a sudden death game in my view.
     
  27. Smithdogmaddog

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    The hardest parts of winning a grand final is the following in ascending order.

    Making the finals
    Making the top 4
    (having 11 genuine home games is a massive advantage)
    Winning Finals
    Winning a Prelim
    (Home ground advantage massive and being a non-vic team the odds of this are extremely high)
    Winning a grand final (disadvantage against a Victorian team especially MCG tennant).

    The grand final is only one game so while the disadvantage is there there is a lot of other advantages during the season and finals that balance out that disadvantage. The travel factor especially for WA teams probably puts it overall at a net disadvantage but only slightly.

    I think if you look at it in a balanced way yes there is a disadvantage but it's only slight and it balances out overall pretty evenly.
     
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