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Who will be coaching Port Adelaide in 2013? (3rd Poll)


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Ratten can coach, but some bad luck this year injuries has hurt him. Do I want him at Port? Not in front of Eade. I thought he was pretty impressive at his presser today. Left the pressser to take the boys for training took, a bit of guts.
I must admit he handled today very very well.
 

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Murphy was great last year and average the year before from preseason hip surgery. Gibbs has been consistently good until this season. Krezuer has had nothing but drama since doing his knee. Nonetheless, given you were talking about Primus' sacking, I thought the year in which both coaches were sacked would be more relevant and really, Murphy had a bit part, while Gibbs and Kreuzer were really nothing special.

Ultimately, you can say the same about every coach. Would Bomber have won the flag with Geelong without Bartel, Scarlett & Chapman. Would Malthouse without Daisy, Sidebottom or Pendlebury? Just seems like a cop out to me that ignores too many facets of what these coaches do.
you're talking about winning a flag

ratten didn't even make the 8
 
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The thing that worries me about Ratten for Port more than his actual coaching is that Port are a "bad news" club at the moment and Ratten, despite being a former premiership player and captain at the Blues, was never really able to mobilize that supporter base to get behind him. I worry how he would fare in this regard at Port.
Yep that is something that worries me too. You also can see that Ratten loved the club and he gave it his all. The fact he was prepared to take training today and feels its his responsibility to coach on the weekend is a lot like how he used to play. Don't worry about the fancy shit just go and get his hands dirty and win the hard ball.

I'm not sure Ratten can give his all for another club like he did with Carlton as the no.1 coach. I have no doubt he can be a very good assistant, but can he give his all to being the head coach away from Carlton?

To me he seems to be driven by passion rather than a ruthless pragmatic approach say like a Malthouse.
 

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Their key backs haven't been big enough against the real big key forwards and they get monstered. Jamison is a good footballer but physically can't beat the big beast forwards. Same goes for Brett Thornton. Jeremy Laidler is another good player who probably isn't big enough and a long term injury has got him. Watson looks like a good size but he is still a few years away.
Don't disagree with much of your post, but when uninjured, Jamison has shown he can not only beat the big beasts, he can dominate them. Injury is Jammo's biggest problem. And this year Henderson's name was popping up in most posters All Australian lists in that thread before his injury, reflecting the good form he was in. Get these two blokes on the park with Laidler in support and it's not that bad a backline. In their absence this season, McInnes did really well too, but again, he's probably a tad undersized for the "monster" forwards.

I thought he was pretty impressive at his presser today. Left the pressser to take the boys for training, took a bit of guts.
Ratten's presser made me think "I want a bloke like that coaching my club". The delivery of his point about leadership and not running from the task was simply excellent. Ironically, it's probably the most impressive press conference he's ever given.

Ratts biggest problem IMO is that he didn't get a good enough grounding before taking on a senior role. He's done far too much learning on the job, which has stymied the teams progress. Personally, I wish the club honoured his contract, as I reckon he was on the verge of stepping up as a coach and the presser showed that.
 

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I'm not sure Ratten can give his all for another club like he did with Carlton as the no.1 coach. I have no doubt he can be a very good assistant, but can he give his all to being the head coach away from Carlton?

To me he seems to be driven by passion rather than a ruthless pragmatic approach say like a Malthouse.
The impression I get from Ratten is that once he bonded with the playing group, he'd be passionate regardless of the club. No doubt though there was a strong element of being a former player in his time as Carlton coach; he was still talking about it even at the presser announcing his sacking.
 
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No. I'm talking about how 3 top players can impact a playing group and how this is relevant even when "top" premiership coaches are involved.
you asked if those coaches would have won the flag without those players, and the answer is "probably not". would they have made the eight? probably.

also, murphy has played 15 games, kreuzer 19, and gibbs every game. not even close to "geelong without bartel, scarlett and chapman" or "collingwood without daisy, sidebottom or pendlebury". ratten doesn't get to escape responsibility for gibbs and kreuzer playing like shit. it's his job to make them play well.

now i have a question for you. would a full strength geelong under thompson or a full strength collingwood under malthouse have lost comfortably to an injury-ravaged gold coast? would any full strength team?
 

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Wouldn't even be thinking of Ratten ... Eade for me and Burns/Cameron as assistant. After that lets look at our fitness staff, Peter Rhode and oh did i forget .... Geoff Parker and our recruiting spotters in Melbourne - they've got a bit to answer for.
 

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Wouldn't even be thinking of Ratten ... Eade for me and Burns/Cameron as assistant. After that lets look at our fitness staff, Peter Rhode and oh did i forget .... Geoff Parker and our recruiting spotters in Melbourne - they've got a bit to answer for.
Parkin just made a cryptic comment on Ratten at Port....
 

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you asked if those coaches would have won the flag without those players, and the answer is "probably not". would they have made the eight? probably.
Let me put in a different way for you then "would these teams have performed to the level they did without these three players?" The answer is no. Every team would struggle to perform to the same level without these players. Does that mean their coach rode on their coat tails? Of course not.

And the top 8? Mate. Every footy expert in the land who knows his job will tell you that Carlton have been decimated by injury this year; and yet if we win on the weekend it would have been enough in any of the last few years to land a top 8 spot. This year it wasn't, which makes the measure a little more arbitrary than it sounds. It's just not the smoking gun you think it is.

also, murphy has played 15 games, kreuzer 19, and gibbs every game. not even close to "geelong without bartel, scarlett and chapman" or "collingwood without daisy, sidebottom or pendlebury". ratten doesn't get to escape responsibility for gibbs and kreuzer playing like shit. it's his job to make them play well.
Kreuzer's knee is shot and he's been playing a lone hand in the ruck for weeks. Murphy missed nearly two months and the team suffered badly for it. Gibbs has just been shit this year. The fact he's played every game is more of an indictment on Ratten for not dropping him at some point.

The point is every club has a handful of good players. It is just lacking insight IMO to put everything down to that.

now i have a question for you. would a full strength geelong under thompson or a full strength collingwood under malthouse have lost comfortably to an injury-ravaged gold coast? would any full strength team?
I'd say probably not, but if they kept kicking points instead of goals I'd say more likely.

Now let me ask you this question ... do you think Carlton were at full strength? :confused:
 

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No let me ask you a question.
Do you think Port have been at full strength this year?
Do you care? I certainly couldn't give a rat's about Carlton's predicaments.
I have not made any comment about Port's or Primus' performances, so I struggle with your question's relevance.

I'll answer it though. No. But I'm not sure what that adds to the discussion.
 

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If Ratten's not good enough for Carlton then he's not good enough for us.

Can't agree with this strongly enough. Sick and tired of this idea that we're in no position to say no to any piece of shit failed coach who comes knocking. Ratten has failed, and hiring him would be like hiring Primus all over again.
 

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Can't agree with this strongly enough. Sick and tired of this idea that we're in no position to say no to any piece of shit failed coach who comes knocking. Ratten has failed, and hiring him would be like hiring Primus all over again.
Well at the very least I'm assuming Primus is odds on to take the Carlton job
 

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I think you guys are being a bit harsh on Ratten. He took over a basket case. He got them into the finals. He has had a shit year this year, however injuries have taken their toll. If it wasn't for Malthouses availability he would still be coaching. Yes he hasn't won a flag, but that hardly makes him a failure especially when some of you want Eade.

Feel free to tell me to piss off and mind my own business. :)
 
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