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Heres a thought maybe the reason a club like carlton in the form of Elliot and co are pushing Port to pick up Ratten is so they dont have to pay out his last year of his contact, that is some serious saving for their club, on the other side would we be happy to have Ratten as a senior assistant to Burns (i'm a big Burns fan) and he only recieves $100k due to carlton topping up the rest of his contract next season and we get a really cheap Ass coach not too bad
 

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Heres a thought maybe the reason a club like carlton in the form of Elliot and co are pushing Port to pick up Ratten is so they dont have to pay out his last year of his contact,
Why in that case were we having to pay for Choco even though he landed a job at GWS.
 

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Heres a thought maybe the reason a club like carlton in the form of Elliot and co are pushing Port to pick up Ratten is so they dont have to pay out his last year of his contact, that is some serious saving for their club, on the other side would we be happy to have Ratten as a senior assistant to Burns (i'm a big Burns fan) and he only recieves $100k due to carlton topping up the rest of his contract next season and we get a really cheap arse coach not too bad
Was just discussing this with someone moments ago. Such an intense push to get someone straight into another job immediately upon being sacked from another seems unprecedented in football. Seems everybody who's anybody is of the opinion "Ratten would be a great fit at Port". I'm finding it unbelievable to be honest.

Maybe the AFL has told Carlton they'll pick up the final year of his contract if he moves straight into the Port job.
 

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Does anybody here think that Ratten has the personal capability to see that the failure at Carlton was his fault, and that he would identify what his mistakes were, and what his strengths were, and then improve upon himself so that he could do things differently this time round if he comes to Alberton, taking us to a premiership?
 

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Does anybody here think that Ratten/Eade/Ayres/Wallace has the personal capability to see that the failure at Carlton/Adelaide/Sydney/Bulldogs/Richmond was his fault, and that he would identify what his mistakes were, and what his strengths were, and then improve upon himself so that he could do things differently this time round if he comes to Alberton, taking us to a premiership?
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Does anybody here think that Ratten has the personal capability to see that the failure at Carlton was his fault, and that he would identify what his mistakes were, and what his strengths were, and then improve upon himself so that he could do things differently this time round if he comes to Alberton, taking us to a premiership?
I doubt it and I suggest a psychologist could probably write a thesis on why he wouldn't be a good fit at any club for at least the next twelve months - let alone make a decision on his future in the next few days.

Shattered dreams, shattered ego, been at the same club for 24 years, moving interstate with a young family and that's a start without considering his coaching skills (or otherwise)
 

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Because we negotiated a reduced payout figure.
I'd hate to know what the full amount was if the reported figure we were paying was a reduced figure.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/primus-number-is-up-at-last-20120805-23nz2.html
Port sacked Mark Williams after round 15, 2010, and is still paying him out of his contract, believed to be close to $1 million. Primus was appointed as caretaker after Williams' departure and staked his claim for the top job as his Power won five of the last six games of that season.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/primus-number-is-up-at-last-20120805-23nz2.html

That's roughly 500K a year as a reduced figure ... :eek:
 

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I'd hate to know what the full amount was if the reported figure we were paying was a reduced figure.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/primus-number-is-up-at-last-20120805-23nz2.html

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/primus-number-is-up-at-last-20120805-23nz2.html

That's roughly 500K a year as a reduced figure ... :eek:
IIRC, that figure was disputed by the club and Choco.

Also, whenever a journalist uses the phrase, 'almost' or 'close to', it could be anywhere from $700k to $$900k.
 
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I'd hate to know what the full amount was if the reported figure we were paying was a reduced figure.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/primus-number-is-up-at-last-20120805-23nz2.html

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/primus-number-is-up-at-last-20120805-23nz2.html

That's roughly 500K a year as a reduced figure ... :eek:
That article is just bullshit about Choco still being paid out in August 2012.

There are very big tax consequences of receiving a lump sum termination payment and also then rolling it over into your super fund and getting tax deferrment consessions as opposed to taking it as an income stream and lossing all the tax benefits.

There is no way Ricky Nixon would have advised Choco not to take a lump sum payout. Nixon was the bloke who got Choco's salary doubled between 2004 and 2009 and got the 30 June 2009 clause into Choco's contract.

Plus Haysman talked about bringing forward one year of the Pickard monies to help pay out Choco. Choco's pay out was one reason why we didn't pay out Kane's contract earlier at the end of last year.

Plus if you actually read Port's financials and have the brains to take out of the football depart spending of Port's 2011 results, results were the Magpies figures are added together with the Power's as the merger didn't happen until after the new financial year started on 1st November 2010, you will see that Choco was paid out in the 2010 financial year. But journo's don't have the intellectual horesepower to do such a thing.

Choco's contract was slashed to $400k + bonuses. His 2011 payout was his base, $400k. The club had to payout Choco for his time between early July 2010 and 31st October 2010. So that would be approx another $130k, maybe a little less.

**** I wish our club would do what Apple, Microsoft, Oracle etc do and just sue every bastard that they don't like just to slow them down. We should be suing Porter and co who just blatantly lie about us. Sure have a strong and even bullshit opinion about/against us about our style of play, lack of good players, poor decisions we make, but that doesn't give you the right to lie about us.
 

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Choco's contract was slashed to $400k + bonuses. His 2011 payout was his base, $400k. The club had to payout Choco for his time between early July 2010 and 31st October 2010. So that would be approx another $130k, maybe a little less.
Thanks for the clarification.

So his payout was roughly is base pay less any bonuses, and we had to pay it regardless of whether he got another job. So one would expect that Carlton would need to do the same - irrespective of whether he gets a job elsewhere ?
 

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I bet Primus is wishing he had as many friends in football circles as Ratten clearly does.

Camporeale has put his 2cents in as well. We'd be 'crazy' not to bang down Ratten's door RE coaching appoitment.

It's rapidly becoming rather offensive:mad:

And there's no place to comment on that item either:thumbsdown:

Sacked because he was a failure but the prime candidate for Port...............FFS
 
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Thanks for the clarification.

So his payout was roughly is base pay less any bonuses, and we had to pay it regardless of whether he got another job. So one would expect that Carlton would need to do the same - irrespective of whether he gets a job elsewhere ?
No you have base + bonus = total package. So he gets paid out his base!

The bonus was about getting us in the finals, developing players etc. Jenny Williams' husband went public with them and it caused a bit of a stir at the time. So unless Ricky Nixon pulled another one over the clubs eye, which after listening to Duncanson say never ever again will a 30 June clause be excepted, I highly doubt Nixon did it, you don't pay out the bonus figure because Choco didn't met his KPI's in 2011 by being sacked in 2010.
 

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No you have base + bonus = total package. So he gets paid out his base!

The bonus was about getting us in the finals, developing players etc. Jenny Williams' husband went public with them and it caused a bit of a stir at the time. So unless Ricky Nixon pulled another one over the clubs eye, which after listening to Duncanson say never ever again will a 30 June clause be excepted, I highly doubt Nixon did it, you don't pay out the bonus figure because Choco didn't met his KPI's in 2011 by being sacked in 2010.
sorry, yep that's what I meant, my fingers just didn't match my mind :)
 

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All due respect to a number of posters on the Choco payout posts - no one, on this board, or the media would have any clue as to the amount that Choco was paid out. Speculate, yes, but it would only be a fluke if it was correct.
 
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All due respect to a number of posters on the Choco payout posts - no one, on this board, or the media would have any clue as to the amount that Choco was paid out. Speculate, yes, but it would only be a fluke if it was correct.
Pre or post tax Natman? ;)

Choco basically confirmed his pay was slashed in half from $850k to $400k + bonuses when the whole 2009 contract B/S happened in June 2009.

It's an educated guess and a shit load more accurate than the media's.
 

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Pre or post tax Natman? ;)

Choco basically confirmed his pay was slashed in half from $850k to $400k + bonuses when the whole 2009 contract B/S happened in June 2009.

It's an educated guess and a shit load more accurate than the media's.
I was actually going to add that 2-3 people in the club, Choco and his wife and the taxman would know.
 
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I was actually going to add that 2-3 people in the club, Choco and his wife and the taxman would know.
I will add a few at the SANFL, the Port board, they had to sign off on his contract, a few at the AFL, Ricky Nixon, his tax adviser, his superannunation fund if he rolled over his ETP, his super adviser, probably Gordon Pickard who was asked to pay one of his annual instalments 12 months early and maybe one or two others.
 

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Ratten took over a club that had been perennial bottom dwellers. He took charge of a team that was copping regular 100 pt hidings. From the very first game he turned the team around. I'm not here to advocate for Ratten as your coach, as he definitely has weaknesses, but there's equally no point in undervaluing the contributions he made at the Blues. The sad thing is that next year, Ratten would have been better as coach than any other time previously. What he endured this year would have only made him stronger.
He took over a young team with 5 top 3 draft picks and Chris Judd and took them to the dizzying heights of 5th before heading right back down the ladder again. Anyone could've done that. Rodney Eade has achieved better results with far less advantages than what Ratten had.

If we go for an unproven coach, he's probably the best 'senior assistant' option out there, since we won't be able to get anyone from another club without giving them a promotion so the currently unemployed Ratten is our best bet. For our actual coach though? Shouldn't even be considered.

Ultimately, you can say the same about every coach. Would Bomber have won the flag with Geelong without Bartel, Scarlett & Chapman. Would Malthouse without Daisy, Sidebottom or Pendlebury? Just seems like a cop out to me that ignores too many facets of what these coaches do.
Would Ratten have won a flag without Judd, Murphy and Gibbs?

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Oh wait. He didn't get anywhere near a flag with Judd, Murphy and Gibbs.

What chance Eade with Ratten as Senior Assistant?
Why would Eade need a senior assistant?
 

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Plus if you actually read Port's financials and have the brains to take out of the football depart spending of Port's 2011 results, results were the Magpies figures are added together with the Power's as the merger didn't happen until after the new financial year started on 1st November 2010, you will see that Choco was paid out in the 2010 financial year. But journo's don't have the intellectual horesepower to do such a thing.

Choco's contract was slashed to $400k + bonuses. His 2011 payout was his base, $400k. The club had to payout Choco for his time between early July 2010 and 31st October 2010. So that would be approx another $130k, maybe a little less.

**** I wish our club would do what Apple, Microsoft, Oracle etc do and just sue every bastard that they don't like just to slow them down. We should be suing Porter and co who just blatantly lie about us. Sure have a strong and even bullshit opinion about/against us about our style of play, lack of good players, poor decisions we make, but that doesn't give you the right to lie about us.
I know KT has encouraged Port people to stick to the PAFC website and ignore other media outlets for PAFC information. In this way some of the media inaccuracies are addressed ...

but man would love to see a media watch/person/official on the Port website laying the smackdown to unsubstantiated/unprofessional reporting as a usual/weekly thing. would make for great reading.

Loving your work REH.
 

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I will add a few at the SANFL, the Port board, they had to sign off on his contract, a few at the AFL, Ricky Nixon, his tax adviser, his superannunation fund if he rolled over his ETP, his super adviser, probably Gordon Pickard who was asked to pay one of his annual instalments 12 months early and maybe one or two others.
Well with all of those, we might as well add Rooch, Caro and Fatprick.:eek:
 
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