The inbalance of the draw.

[hotham]

The Kangas are the only team that play Fremantle, West Coast, St Kilda and Melbourne once. The rest of the teams are as follows:

Essendon: play West Coast twice.

Brisbane: play Fremantle twice

Hawthorn: play Fremantle, Melbourne & St Kilda twice.

Carlton: Fremantle & St Kilda twice

Port Adelaide: play St Kilda twice

Richmond: play Melbourne & West Coast twice

Sydney: play Westcoast, St Kilda & Melbourne twice

Bulldogs: play St Kilda & Melbourne twice

C'wood: play Fremantle twice

Geelong: play Westcoast, St Kilda & Melbourne twice

Adelaide play: Melbourne & Fremantle twice

Melbourne play: Fremantle twice

St Kilda: play West Coast twice

West/Coast & Fremanlte play each other twice.

The following teams play Essendon twice:

Kangas, Port A, Carlton, Sydney, Collingwood, W/Coast, Richmond.

From my North Melbourne point of view the AFL owe us good draw next year because we have been d-cked this year.

hotham

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

If everybody played everybody else twice over in a proper, fair and level 30 round draw then we simply wouldn't be having this conversation.

How long does this total nonsense have to go on before the congenital idiots at the AFL and the AFLPA realise that the present situation is a total and utter joke.

equalisation ? - pull the other one Mr Jackson, its got bells on it (you dumb-ass fu.k)

cheers

 

[Rooboy 96]

Hotham... I know what you are saying.. but with 15 opponents into 22 weeks just wont fit... if we played those four teams our coffers would be empty... what is required in my opinion is the dismantlement of the pre-season cup and have a thirty round season... everyone on an even playing field...

and who really gives a rats who wins the pre-season cup...

 

[Darky]

Originally posted by Rooboy 96
Hotham... I know what you are saying.. but with 15 opponents into 22 weeks just wont fit... if we played those four teams our coffers would be empty... what is required in my opinion is the dismantlement of the pre-season cup and have a thirty round season... everyone on an even playing field...

and who really gives a rats who wins the pre-season cup...

Exactly! Who remembers pre-seasons cups in 5 years time?

A 30 round season is a level playing field in terms of a fair draw and equal opportunities for fixturing (blockbusters, return home games etc).

As it stood at the end of last season, playing Melbourne once was a good thing (remember they DID make a cameo appearance in the 2000 GF), and West Coast and Fremantle weren't the basket cases they are now, although we could fairly have expected to beat them twice. With this season's form the fixture's appearance has gone a bit pear-shaped.

 

[Shinboners]

I've got my objections to a 30 round draw (mainly due to player fatigue, wear and tear, ending careers to early....), but in regards to the uneven draw, in some years we get good draws, in others we get bad draws. But don't blame the draw for the predicament we find ourselves in....if our club is as good as we'd like it to be, and if that means we have to play and beat the likes of Essendon, Carlton, Brisbane etc. twice, then so be it. Our club will only get better from playing against the other strong clubs....we'll never get anywhere by playing two practice matches against Freo.

 

[TigerTank]

Bit harsh including last year's runners up among the Spaz teams.

Melbourne are, for all practical purposes, competitive - not like the other three who have managed 6 wins between them.

 

[Briedis]

You can't really complain about the draw because when they do it, no one knows who the good teams are going to be. If the Lions, Swans, Pies and Tigers all had crap years this year we would have had a great draw....

 

[choppy]

I may be corrected here but I think the draw is partly based on where you finish on the ladder after round 15. I am sure i read that in the paper or it may have been a proposal. Those inside the eight after round 15 play the top top eight again and those outside play those outside the ight.


That would mean we would play West Coast, Fremantle, Melbourne, StKilda, Geelong twice next year. May financially ruin us but a dream draw anyway.

 

[The Hippie]

Originally posted by Shinboners
I've got my objections to a 30 round draw (mainly due to player fatigue, wear and tear, ending careers to early....), but in regards to the uneven draw, in some years we get good draws, in others we get bad draws. But don't blame the draw for the predicament we find ourselves in....if our club is as good as we'd like it to be, and if that means we have to play and beat the likes of Essendon, Carlton, Brisbane etc. twice, then so be it. Our club will only get better from playing against the other strong clubs....we'll never get anywhere by playing two practice matches against Freo.

I read somebody's version of a 30 round draw, not sure who, a couple of years ago and in that version he made a rule that no player play more than 24-25 games for the home and away season, meaning you had to manage your list and pick when you give your players a rest to prevent that burnout. I thought at the time the idea had a lot of merit and would actually be the best way of having a 30 game comp. Would also give another dimension to coaching and you'd find out who the best player manager's and tactitions were.

 

[Shinboners]

That would be an excellent rule to limit players to no more than 25 home and away games out of 30 rounds. You should post it onto the main board for discussion.

It would the one great way to get around player wear and tear AND it would add an extra dimension to coaching.

The other thing that would be required would be to increase the playing list from 38 plus 2 veterans to 40 plus 2 veterans, or make some sort of allowance that rookies be allowed to have, say 2 senior games without the requirement of elevation due to long term injury.

 

[The Hippie]

That would be an important part of it, to increase the lists to allow for the extra games, Shinboners. Not sure the AFL would like to do it, given the way they want to keep cutting lists. That is, even if they would think about doing a draw this way.

 

[The Hippie]

Posted that suggestion to the main board and expanded on it a bit, Shinboners. Care to have a squizz?

 

[kymhodgemansmo]

Could we whinge any more about innocuous things.

We asked to play Richmond, Collingwood & Essendon twice so we could gain revenue from these games rather than pulling **** crowds against **** teams.

The AFL did us a favour with the draw this year and met the bulk of the request we asked for, aside from the amount of Friday night games.

We were hardly given a bum steer in 2001.

 

[BW]

Well there was a interesting opinion in the paper last saturday. The Daniher/gill system. Each team play 2 matches against 7 teams in the first 14 rounds. Then the last 8 rounds were played for 8 points per game. Every team would have the chance to fight for 8 points against every team.