The Inevitable War

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China is not going to war with anybody,leadt of all a country like Australia they can just destroy economically.
China is going to war, of its own wish! Xi Xi is on a path of 'our way or the highway'. What that stupid cnut doesn't realize or is willfully ignorant of is that China can not take on the world - wouldn't even be able to take on the US by itself.

And let's be honest here Xi Xi is pissing off the rest of the world. Can only end one way and it ain't good for China

FMD, if anyone thinks that one of the US allies would be left stranded to fight on their own against China has got rocks in their head.
 

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The title of this thread is The Inevitable War.

There will never ever, be a war between China and the "West" - that, is what's inevitable. China's position as an economic superpower assures this because if anyone was stupid enough to embark on such a course, they would completely destroy the world economy because China owns $1,061.9 Billion of U.S. treasury securities, second only to Japan which has $1,277.3 Billion with daylight to the next foreign holder of US treasury securities (UK $452.9 billion).

China would not start a war with anyone because it is not in it's interests to do so either. All of this talk is nothing more than finding a new "boogie man" now that ISIS has been "defeated". The Military Industrial Complex cannot survive without an enemy, real or imagined so as per usual, the "West" has manufactured one.
 

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The title of this thread is The Inevitable War.

There will never ever, be a war between China and the "West" - that, is what's inevitable. China's position as an economic superpower assures this because if anyone was stupid enough to embark on such a course, they would completely destroy the world economy because China owns $1,061.9 Billion of U.S. treasury securities, second only to Japan which has $1,277.3 Billion with daylight to the next foreign holder of US treasury securities (UK $452.9 billion).

China would not start a war with anyone because it is not in it's interests to do so either. All of this talk is nothing more than finding a new "boogie man" now that ISIS has been "defeated". The Military Industrial Complex cannot survive without an enemy, real or imagined so as per usual, the "West" has manufactured one.
Is this like how there would never be a major war between the European powers in the early years of the twentieth century due to the way they were all interconnected? No one could go to war with anyone without dragging everyone in, and it's in no one's best interests for that to happen.
 

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Is this like how there would never be a major war between the European powers in the early years of the twentieth century due to the way they were all interconnected? No one could go to war with anyone without dragging everyone in, and it's in no one's best interests for that to happen.
Noone could go to the war after that too as the one before was the war to end all wars.
 

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Is this like how there would never be a major war between the European powers in the early years of the twentieth century due to the way they were all interconnected? No one could go to war with anyone without dragging everyone in, and it's in no one's best interests for that to happen.
Father, the monarchies and religious zealots money hungry God squads had been having wars for a thousand years and more over that way. The 1st World War was all about what wars in that region have always been about: Monarchy, Capitalism and Religion, the three most nefarious crime syndicates ever known to mankind. These wars a still happening over that-a-way and have been happening even after the Second World War was "over", it's just that these wars aren't the scale of the two biggies.

The talk of war against China serves the political interests of those who make careers and money out of frightening people and evoking the evil "yellow peril", Muslims, Soviet Union, Communism, etc etc.

The Pentagon and the "money men" would never risk "assured destruction" of the whole Capitalist system and neither would the Chinese. It's ironic actually that the cold war rhetoric about "mutual assured destruction" in reference to Nuclear war, now holds true about the Capitalist system which both the USA/West and China are beholden to.
 

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Father, the monarchies and religious zealots money hungry God squads had been having wars for a thousand years and more over that way. The 1st World War was all about what wars in that region have always been about: Monarchy, Capitalism and Religion, the three most nefarious crime syndicates ever known to mankind. These wars a still happening over that-a-way and have been happening even after the Second World War was "over", it's just that these wars aren't the scale of the two biggies.

The talk of war against China serves the political interests of those who make careers and money out of frightening people and evoking the evil "yellow peril", Muslims, Soviet Union, Communism, etc etc.

The Pentagon and the "money men" would never risk "assured destruction" of the whole Capitalist system and neither would the Chinese. It's ironic actually that the cold war rhetoric about "mutual assured destruction" in reference to Nuclear war, now holds true about the Capitalist system which both the USA/West and China are beholden to.
Trump get's back in in 2024 and Xi still there- and then it's back on the agenda in a real way despite whatever player is beholden to. We are talking about two lunatics who are grossly pigheaded, narcissistic, and inadequate, anything could happen.

China has been waging war on Australia for a number of years now and went rogue with a list of demands via the embassy. It's been in the grey area - trade sanctions that are not reciprocated is war unfortunately.

Their narrative of the evil West - Australia the 'bat' of Asia, 'evil white guys' is what you also need to address in potential outcomes.

It's this narrative that has many on the woke left beholden to China, they are not at all impartial observers.
 

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Trump get's back in in 2024 and Xi still there- and then it's back on the agenda in a real way despite whatever player is beholden to. We are talking about two lunatics who are grossly pigheaded, narcissistic, and inadequate, anything could happen.

China has been waging war on Australia for a number of years now and went rogue with a list of demands via the embassy. It's been in the grey area - trade sanctions that are not reciprocated is war unfortunately.

Their narrative of the evil West - Australia the 'bat' of Asia, 'evil white guys' is what you also need to address in potential outcomes.

It's this narrative that has many on the woke left beholden to China, they are not at all impartial observers.
Let's pray dt doesn't get back in. Even if he does I doubt any 'war' would be a boots on ground campaign or a 'call to arms' war.

Neither the West or the East would survive it. It'd be a cold war, much like our trade war now.

Even as psychologically challenged those two are they won't go all out war.

Xi might dip his toes in the Taiwan invasion but it's doubtful- the rest of the world would be backing Taiwan.

Right now Xi is doing a lot of chest beating and antagonising though.
 

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They are not going to storm the beaches of Australia. But if they decide to get silly with any country, it will take a combined effort of many nations to stop them. Australia will be a contributor to any such multi-national force. We will be tasked with closing off one of the sea routes to China. Japan will take the northern routes, the USA from Guam the northern routes down to New Guinea, India will close off the Malacca Straits, we will get the Sunda or Lombok passage. Starve China of energy supplies and their economy will stall - this is the deterrence effect.
If the above were to play out, Russia would be with China.
 

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Anyone paying attention to the sort of internal nationalist pandering coming from their foreign diplomats around the world whenever an opportunity arises to make it an Us (China) v Them would see that they are building tensions to satiate an appetite back home.

China is one social upheaval away from needing something to direct that tension at, the CCP isn't going to be the bad guy in anything. They will blame problems on external factors so they can stand with the people.

They are also dry and getting drier so issues surrounding the dispute brewing with India in the mountains, where a significant amount of the regions rivers flow from could be the spark if they decide they wanted to follow their South China Sea plan of altering the geology to suit their needs.

Have a look at the border between India and China here:


Their large cities in the North East are dangerously low on water, it's basically a desert there and they spend a fortune pumping water in already.
 

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Trump get's back in in 2024 and Xi still there- and then it's back on the agenda in a real way despite whatever player is beholden to. We are talking about two lunatics who are grossly pigheaded, narcissistic, and inadequate, anything could happen.

China has been waging war on Australia for a number of years now and went rogue with a list of demands via the embassy. It's been in the grey area - trade sanctions that are not reciprocated is war unfortunately.

Their narrative of the evil West - Australia the 'bat' of Asia, 'evil white guys' is what you also need to address in potential outcomes.

It's this narrative that has many on the woke left beholden to China, they are not at all impartial observers.
Xi is not a lunatic. He is everything that every western capitalist leader wishes they were, ie, able to get things done for their country's economic wellbeing without being tied to a Military armaments establishment or having to repay favours to mates.

If Trump does get back in, then the American Civil war will be the most pressing matter on the agenda and if Trump does want to throw his weight around by wanting to start a war with China, then the Wall Street boys, the Military and very other nation on earth will not let him because they now who the real economic power on the planet is; China. *Morrison would do anything his best mate Trump wants him too but I doubt he and his band of criminals will be in power.

Trump will probably be convicted of crimes soon and even though he can still run for President, even if he was convicted of murdering someone theoretically, I just can't see anyone except for the Q-Anon and other lunies voting for him after he's been convicted of crimes. The interesting thing there will be just how many lunies there are in the USA going by his vote.
 

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Anyone paying attention to the sort of internal nationalist pandering coming from their foreign diplomats around the world whenever an opportunity arises to make it an Us (China) v Them would see that they are building tensions to satiate an appetite back home.

China is one social upheaval away from needing something to direct that tension at, the CCP isn't going to be the bad guy in anything. They will blame problems on external factors so they can stand with the people.

They are also dry and getting drier so issues surrounding the dispute brewing with India in the mountains, where a significant amount of the regions rivers flow from could be the spark if they decide they wanted to follow their South China Sea plan of altering the geology to suit their needs.

Have a look at the border between India and China here:


Their large cities in the North East are dangerously low on water, it's basically a desert there and they spend a fortune pumping water in already.
Your analysis is very poignant I believe. The role of climate change and the ever increasing scarcity of drinking water is far more a danger to geo-political stability than any overblown rhetoric, coming out of the mouths of vested interests who need a "villain" to maintain their status and power.
 

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Xi is not a lunatic. He is everything that every western capitalist leader wishes they were, ie, able to get things done for their country's economic wellbeing without being tied to a Military armaments establishment or having to repay favours to mates.

If Trump does get back in, then the American Civil war will be the most pressing matter on the agenda and if Trump does want to throw his weight around by wanting to start a war with China, then the Wall Street boys, the Military and very other nation on earth will not let him because they now who the real economic power on the planet is; China. *Morrison would do anything his best mate Trump wants him too but I doubt he and his band of criminals will be in power.

Trump will probably be convicted of crimes soon and even though he can still run for President, even if he was convicted of murdering someone theoretically, I just can't see anyone except for the Q-Anon and other lunies voting for him after he's been convicted of crimes. The interesting thing there will be just how many lunies there are in the USA going by his vote.
That is pretty much a fiction piece coming from your head.
 

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Your analysis is very poignant I believe. The role of climate change and the ever increasing scarcity of drinking water is far more a danger to geo-political stability than any overblown rhetoric, coming out of the mouths of vested interests who need a "villain" to maintain their status and power.
Power outages are a pressing issue & as in Australia or the US there is a Fed/State divide even in a one party CCP.


'Residents of northeastern China have taken to social media in recent days to document unexpected power outages leaving no traffic signals on dark streets, with shops illuminated by makeshift lighting and even candles.
Some said they were suffering in the heat after air conditioning systems went down, while others sought reasons for the power cuts.'

Patience wearing thin
 

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That is pretty much a fiction piece coming from your head.
Pardon? Have you been asleep whilst the Trumpansitas have been waging war against everyone else who has half a brain? Do you reckon that in the unlikely event Trump is re-elected that the USA is going to be one, happy, contented place do you?

Xi does not have the constrictions nor the obligation to the military hardware establishment which allows him to act in the interests of China in the Capitalist world, a world which if China divests it's US treasury bonds at en masse, would create global economic armageddon.

Where do you think China plies it's trade? In some far off mythical parallel universe? It is a massive player in the Capitalist world. Just because the People's Republic of China regards itself as being a communist country, it does not mean that they are an isolationist entity like North Korea. China engages with and is a critical member of the Capitalist world and wields enormous power if it chooses to do so. Do you think that the money men, the money markets, Wall Street, the LSE, the TSE, the Frankfurter Wertpapierbörse etc would commit suicide by allowing a full blown war with China to eventuate, militarily or economically?

The geopolitical landscape and it's machinations aren't anywhere near as simple as the Sky-after-dark morons and the vested interests who make doe out of having an enemy would have you and the rest of us believe.

The only thing fictional is that China and the world would engage in a military confrontation. The only "war" that is being played out, is the economic one and as kranky al so eloquently put it, "The thing thats doing my funking head in about this is that we keep poking the bear on behalf of the us, the chinese shut down our exports of product xxx and the us’ farmers pick up the contract to supply.

Are we the biggest funking wood ducks on earth?
"

That's the war that's being played out and that is played out every day with countries looking to find new destinations for their products and in this world of subterfuge to get "a deal", Australia is represented on the World stage by a complete and utter imbecile who was dumb enough to be played by the psychopath Trump and we have been plunged over the economic cliff.
 

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Pardon? Have you been asleep whilst the Trumpansitas have been waging war against everyone else who has half a brain? Do you reckon that in the unlikely event Trump is re-elected that the USA is going to be one, happy, contented place do you?

Xi does not have the constrictions nor the obligation to the military hardware establishment which allows him to act in the interests of China in the Capitalist world, a world which if China divests it's US treasury bonds at en masse, would create global economic armageddon.

Where do you think China plies it's trade? In some far off mythical parallel universe? It is a massive player in the Capitalist world. Just because the People's Republic of China regards itself as being a communist country, it does not mean that they are an isolationist entity like North Korea. China engages with and is a critical member of the Capitalist world and wields enormous power if it chooses to do so. Do you think that the money men, the money markets, Wall Street, the LSE, the TSE, the Frankfurter Wertpapierbörse etc would commit suicide by allowing a full blown war with China to eventuate, militarily or economically?

The geopolitical landscape and it's machinations aren't anywhere near as simple as the Sky-after-dark morons and the vested interests who make doe out of having an enemy would have you and the rest of us believe.

The only thing fictional is that China and the world would engage in a military confrontation. The only "war" that is being played out, is the economic one and as kranky al so eloquently put it, "The thing thats doing my funking head in about this is that we keep poking the bear on behalf of the us, the chinese shut down our exports of product xxx and the us’ farmers pick up the contract to supply.

Are we the biggest funking wood ducks on earth?
"

That's the war that's being played out and that is played out every day with countries looking to find new destinations for their products and in this world of subterfuge to get "a deal", Australia is represented on the World stage by a complete and utter imbecile who was dumb enough to be played by the psychopath Trump and we have been plunged over the economic cliff.
Xi cant even leave the country for fear of a coup.

And the rest, ummm, are you ok?
 

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Xi cant even leave the country for fear of a coup.

And the rest, ummm, are you ok?
uhuahuh hahahahaha. Xi is safe as houses and if there were to be coup, then whether he is in or out of the country is immaterial. As for the the other parts of my post, I ask you again, have you been asleep whilst Trump has been whipping up the knuckdraggers of the USA?

Have you not heard that China has told Australia to shove it's goods up it's arse after the moronic, born again Prime Minister of Australia did Trumps dirty work by wanting the world to hold an investigation into China and the Coronavirus in language that was both provocative and incendiary? Didn't you see Trump rubbing his hands with glee on the sidelines as China dumped Australian goods and replaced them with American goods and products?

Do you know anything about how the global economy works? You should be far more worried about the massive recession that this country will experience given that our a largest trading partner by far, China, the country that we relied on during the GFC to continue buying our raw materials and goods and produce, has turned it's back on us and has found other markets thanks to the imbecile Scotty-from-marketing than some cockamamie fear about going to war with China.
 

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The thing thats doing my funking head in about this is that we keep poking the bear on behalf of the us, the chinese shut down our exports of product xxx and the us’ farmers pick up the contract to supply.

Are we the biggest funking wood ducks on earth?
In what way are 'we' (I assume you mean Australia) poking the bear?

Name one piece of antagonistic rhetoric from 'us' against Xi and the Chinese.

All I hear from 'us' is 'the door is on the table and we are open to discussion' is that what you mean by poking the bear?

The only thing that could be 'poking' is scumo asking for an independent investigation into the covid crisis for the purposes of preparation for any future events. That was the message regardless if scumo had a beef or not, that's hardly poking the bear. But like the petulant child Xi is, he has his yes men claim the virus originated from Australia, I mean get f*d w****r!

There's one thing I will say for the scumo and his bunch of w******, they won't be bullied by Xi.

Further do you reckon it'd be any different if our current abomination of an administration just bowed to every whim of Xi? Yeah nah, not in eleventy million years.

Nah that fkface Xi can GAGF.
 

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In what way are 'we' (I assume you mean Australia) poking the bear?

Name one piece of antagonistic rhetoric from 'us' against Xi and the Chinese.

All I hear from 'us' is 'the door is on the table and we are open to discussion' is that what you mean by poking the bear?

The only thing that could be 'poking' is scumo asking for an independent investigation into the covid crisis for the purposes of preparation for any future events. That was the message regardless if scumo had a beef or not, that's hardly poking the bear. But like the petulant child Xi is, he has his yes men claim the virus originated from Australia, I mean get f*d w****r!

There's one thing I will say for the scumo and his bunch of w******, they won't be bullied by Xi.

Further do you reckon it'd be any different if our current abomination of an administration just bowed to every whim of Xi? Yeah nah, not in eleventy million years.

Nah that fkface Xi can GAGF.
I don't reckon anyone around here is onside with Xi but for heaven's sake, Scumo caused great offence to the Chinese by saying what Trump knew would have severe and far reaching consequences so he asked Scumo to do his dirty work and that was not just poking the bear, that was pouring petrol on China and setting it alight. Scumface showed just how intrinsically patronising and superior he still thinks the white Christian races are to the inferior Asian hordes. Any present day leader would understand the cultural sensitivities of China, Japan and other countries and not go 'round speaking like it was the early 20th century.

To basically accuse China of deliberately manufacturing and releasing Covid into the world is a gross insult and when you add the fact that Australia's foreign policy towards China is that of the United States and we don't have are own policy towards them any longer, the insult of having a lackey of the Americans' offend it on the world stage, then Australia means absolutely nothing to China. Australia under Abbbot/Turnbull/Morrison has completely destroyed our relationship with China, a relationship that has been cultivated since the early 1970's.

The hyena Julie Bishop started trashing our relationship with China in just following American rhetoric and actions to try and reimpose Uncle Sam's hegemony in the Asia Pacific region.

China had been one of our best friends for 40 years and their system of government and our system of government although not palatable to either of us, was respected. Now China views us with the contempt we deserve. It's we who tried to bully them, not the other way around. As I said, our relationship was based on mutual respect and we f**cked that up, not China and just in case you missed it early on, I don't think that anyone around here has photos of Xi plastered all over their walls.
 

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Scumo caused great offence to the Chinese by saying what Trump knew would have severe and far reaching consequences so he asked Scumo to do his dirty work and that was not just poking the bear
Scumface showed just how intrinsically patronising and superior he still thinks the white Christian races are to the inferior Asian hordes.
Sounds like you believe in conspiracy theories

'round speaking like it was the early 20th century.
Rofl, link one comment from the current administration that has spoken that way to China, standing up to them is one thing but deliberately insulting is just stupid not even scumo is that stupid. You might be though.

To basically accuse China of deliberately manufacturing and releasing Covid into the world is a gross insult
Have you got a link for that?

The hyena Julie Bishop started trashing our relationship with China in just following American rhetoric and actions to try and reimpose Uncle Sam's hegemony in the Asia Pacific region.
Not sure what Bishop has got to do with our current situation with China, by all reports a very popular and respected foreign minister - even the Chinese, yes even them.

Would've liked her to be our PM just quietly.

Now China views us with the contempt we deserve
They view EVERYONE with contempt and have done ever since Xi has grown an over inflated and unwarranted ego. Probably decades before that too, maybe not their population but certainly their administrations.

It's we who tried to bully them, not the other way around
Rofl, I don't know of anyone with that level of crayon eating dumbness that would deliberately attempt to bully Xi and his admin, you might be though.

As I said, our relationship was based on mutual respect and we f**cked that up
Rofl, you do eat crayons, China doesn't respect anyone (well not their govt at least).

Congratulations, you've just raised THE dumbest post of the year - if not this century so far.

If you think we should suck Xi's appendage in the hope that we can sit around the campfire and sing kumbaya, then you're so naive you don't even know the meaning of the word.

I don't think I'll bother explaining it to you, you're out of your depth.

Reply if you wish but you're already on ignore.
 

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Is this like how there would never be a major war between the European powers in the early years of the twentieth century due to the way they were all interconnected? No one could go to war with anyone without dragging everyone in, and it's in no one's best interests for that to happen.
‘there had been inter European wars forever, it was more hope than predicting ‘more of the same’
 

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