The Jamarra Thread

[lachy]

Wrong answer again.

Offer to Smith was 2 years. If we honestly wanted to keep him we'd have offered longer. Perhaps look at this board during that time with that being the prevailing thought

Rubbish again.

You do not offer longer term contracts to players with off field issues and coming off a serious injury. Many clubs have been bitten by this.

The club has been proven 100% correct to sign JUH to a shorter term contract when many here were disappointed.

 

[TiAn_]

Paid a lot for JUH and this board is putting him in the too hard basket on unsubstantiated rumours. Noone here has any idea what is going on but plenty pretend they do.

Heard all this about Dunkley and Smith. It’s really not hard to read the situation.

 

[Freshwater]

He is believed to be on 800-900k next year. Obviously whoever gets JUH next year pays the full salary.

In saying that, St Kilda didn’t want him last year after looking under a few rocks, ST KILDA!!

I cannot think of a team who would take him on- a bloke of big coin who hasn’t played in a year and is rumoured to be in all sorts of bad stuff with very unlucky cars etc.

I think there is every chance that no one will be chasing him next year.

Unfortunately for him and for us, these are the types of blokes clubs steer clear of. Just too much baggage. I’m sure the club is doing all they can.
I reckon the club should’ve known the personality/character of JUH (he’d been at the club in some form or another for a decade) a bet better before giving such a young man such a large contract.

 

[Philthy1]

Heard all this about Dunkley and Smith. It’s really not hard to read the situation.

Yep. In what other workplace would this be tolerated? Someone not pulling their weight, for whatever reason even if should / does garner sympathy and resouces to support them as it should, would be shuffled off. In the corporate world, no matter how good an employee is or could be, once it all gets too hard there is a time to move them on. We are well past that point now.

 

[Unorth]

Unfortunately for him and for us, these are the types of blokes clubs steer clear of. Just too much baggage. I’m sure the club is doing all they can.
I reckon the club should’ve known the personality/character of JUH (he’d been at the club in some form or another for a decade) a bet better before giving such a young man such a large contract.

Who knows the timing, but we tried to tie him to Bont and Naughts (and for a couple of years it worked), at some point he ditches them for “Açai bar” owner types. I think a lot changed after he got the money and could be persuaded to buy his mates jeeps.

Maybe it’s more prevalent in American sports where millions are thrown around like nothing but sometimes young men in pro sports get paid too much money for their own good.

 

[Freshwater]

Who knows the timing, but we tried to tie him to Bont and Naughts (and for a couple of years it worked), at some point he ditches them for “Açai bar” owner types. I think a lot changed after he got the money and could be persuaded to buy his mates jeeps.

Maybe it’s more prevalent in American sports where millions are thrown around like nothing but sometimes young men in pro sports get paid too much money for their own good.

At least for their maturity.

 

[Doggy]

Who knows the timing, but we tried to tie him to Bont and Naughts (and for a couple of years it worked), at some point he ditches them for “Açai bar” owner types. I think a lot changed after he got the money and could be persuaded to buy his mates jeeps.

Maybe it’s more prevalent in American sports where millions are thrown around like nothing but sometimes young men in pro sports get paid too much money for their own good.

Where has this been reported

 

[Fossie 32]

Unfortunately for him and for us, these are the types of blokes clubs steer clear of. Just too much baggage. I’m sure the club is doing all they can.
I reckon the club should’ve known the personality/character of JUH (he’d been at the club in some form or another for a decade) a bet better before giving such a young man such a large contract.

Dunno if the club could have predicted this, would have thought he may have been fine to start with then went off the rails

 

[Hobdog]

Sharing a post on his IG story of Smith with a couple of little Geelong fans after the game. Post also has a blue . Clearly the deal has been done with the Cats.

 

[glenashley]

I'll

Sharing a post on his IG story of Smith with a couple of little Geelong fans after the game. Post also has a blue . Clearly the deal has been done with the Cats.

I'll microwave my membership if the cats bend us over again

 

[Hobdog]

I'll

I'll microwave my membership if the cats bend us over again

Just for the record, I was channeling Scrag in my post!

 

[dogwatch]

Yep. In what other workplace would this be tolerated? Someone not pulling their weight, for whatever reason even if should / does garner sympathy and resouces to support them as it should, would be shuffled off. In the corporate world, no matter how good an employee is or could be, once it all gets too hard there is a time to move them on. We are well past that point now.

This is not the corporate world.

We can't have it both ways. We can't have corporate style termination rights unless you give players corporate style freedom of movement rights.

Unlike the corporate world, players are restricted for years in their place of work/employer by the draft, the salary cap and the rules of player trading. We fans love that. Otherwise we'd have an EPL situation where the top clubs buy up all the talent and the flag is only ever won by those handful of clubs (it's heading that way in the AFL but nowhere near that bad yet).

In return there need to be handsome salaries, security of employment for the duration of the contract and perhaps other trade-offs against this restriction of movement. We fans don't always love that, certainly not when a highly paid contracted player shits the bed.

The club has handled it as well as can be expected so far, but from the whispers around here it's starting to sound like the club is starting to find it "all too hard".

So we need to be prepared to see Marra depart for not very much in return. Or perhaps for nothing at all if he never plays AFL again.

 

[Dog 36]

This is not the corporate world.

We can't have it both ways. We can't have corporate style termination rights unless you give players corporate style freedom of movement rights.

Unlike the corporate world, players are restricted for years in their place of work/employer by the draft, the salary cap and the rules of player trading. We fans love that. Otherwise we'd have an EPL situation where the top clubs buy up all the talent and the flag is only ever won by those handful of clubs (it's heading that way in the AFL but nowhere near that bad yet).

In return there need to be handsome salaries, security of employment for the duration of the contract and perhaps other trade-offs against this restriction of movement. We fans don't always love that, certainly not when a highly paid contracted player shits the bed.

The club has handled it as well as can be expected so far, but from the whispers around here it's starting to sound like the club is starting to find it "all too hard".

So we need to be prepared to see Marra depart for not very much in return. Or perhaps for nothing at all if he never plays AFL again.

Agree totally

I wish JUH gets it all together and club provides another opportunity for him as he still makes us a bigger threat than what we are. Hoping for an epic ending.

I know the above is probably a long shot but I also would hope JUH does not get traded to Geelong under any circumstance even it it means we get nothing

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I'm not convinced Jamarra ever recovers to become that good of a footballer, anyway.

We saw what his performance was like in the EF when he wasn't mentally prepared to be an AFL footballer. Whatever club he goes to there's every chance his overall career just flames out and he's off an AFL list in a year or two, anyway. Which is a shame because of his talent and I'm of the genuine belief that he had the potential to be a league's best forward, but here we are.

 

[Bukk]

Jamarra might need a fresh start which will help him no end and perhaps the club can pick up a good first round draft pick or two, works well both ways.

 

[Doggy]

Jamarra might need a fresh start which will help him no end and perhaps the club can pick up a good first round draft pick or two, works well both ways.

Problem is we would end up with something late, not early. And we would lose a talented number 1 pick for the privilege.

 

[doggiesin08]

Jamarra might need a fresh start which will help him no end and perhaps the club can pick up a good first round draft pick or two, works well both ways.

A “good first round draft pick” will not be on the table let alone “or two”

 

[Bukk]

A “good first round draft pick” will not be on the table let alone “or two”

I think he's proven enough to be worth at least one first rounder after all he was also the number one draft pick as well when we got him.

 

[BigFloppa]

I think he's proven enough to be worth at least one first rounder after all he was also the number one draft pick as well when we got him.

Best case scenario is a third rounder and we pay some of his salary.

 

[glenashley]

Best case scenario is a third rounder and we pay some of his salary.

The only reason we let him go cheap is to offload his salary.

So if we're not doing that, there's no reason other than a generous pick to trade him.

My view is that if someone is interested they would have done due diligence and see a path forward for him. If that's the case you trade as you would for a former no 1 draft kpf - with obvious discount attached for being out a year.

So he's worth 2-3 firsts assuming the drama never happened.

That becomes at least 1 first with the drama imho.

Otherwise we have zero need to offload a contracted player.

 

[Pencil case]

Paid a lot for JUH and this board is putting him in the too hard basket on unsubstantiated rumours. Noone here has any idea what is going on but plenty pretend they do.

100%. It’s embarrassing.

 

[cherrypie]

Really unfortunate in the end that St Kilda did their due diligence - we should‘ve spoken to North and they probably would‘ve overlooked it

 

[Freshwater]

Paid a lot for JUH and this board is putting him in the too hard basket on unsubstantiated rumours. Noone here has any idea what is going on but plenty pretend they do.

No one here is judging JUH on ‘unsubstantiated rumours’. They can see with their own eyes that JUH is throwing his career away. Blind Freddy can see this. Everyone wants the best for this kid. I would rather he turned his life around and played for another club, even one I hate, than see him just end up like Harley Bennell or Tarryn Thomas.

 

[TiAn_]

No one here is judging JUH on ‘unsubstantiated rumours’. They can see with their own eyes that JUH is throwing his career away. Blind Freddy can see this. Everyone wants the best for this kid. I would rather he turned his life around and played for another club, even one I hate, than see him just end up like Harley Bennell or Tarryn Thomas.

The bloke hasn’t trained at the club for more than a fortnight at a time in nearly 12 months and there’s constant reporting the club don’t see him being there next year, yet it’s “embarrassing” to draw the very obvious conclusion he’s not likely to be playing here next year. People are weird.

 

[BEaston]

It was never going to be a linear return to football. There was always going to be setbacks, doesn't mean you throw in the towel. Patience is required.
Club just has to keep doing what it's doing in supporting JUH while also doing what's best for the rest of the club. They've managed it pretty well so far.

My own feel is it would be beneficial to keep him another year if the cap allows and while he continues to work through his issues. It seems the desire is there to get back on the field but there which is a good start. Once the season ends and we hear more from his management we can make a better assessment on a way forward.