The Jamarra Thread

[bresker]

"You've got the wrong man officer. I save lives, not end them."

 

[Anja_Nees]

This is enough to develop PTSD.

Panos
Tiller
Skinner
Davidson

 

[Spiritof82]

Tom Davidson, Andrew McDougall, Wayde Skipper, Patrick Bowden, Michael West, Patrick Wiggins, Nathan Saunders…

Terry DeKonning, Tim Gepp, Graeme Cordy, Aaron James, John Taylor, Andrew Taylor

 

[MrChristo]

Everything that I read about "Love Machine" makes me think that it's a poorly named venue.

Do we have any PR types here who'd be willing to work with its management to come up with a more appropriate moniker to help ensure that it attracts the clientele that they appear to value?

 

[Fossie 32]

Terry DeKonning, Tim Gepp, Graeme Cordy, Aaron James, John Taylor, Andrew Taylor

DeKonning should have been given more opportunities

 

[bresker]

It's been shut down by authorities. Rooted Machine.

 

[weltschmerz]

DeKonning should have been given more opportunities

Drag him to 100 to get access to Tom and Sam? No doubt who Sam's old man is hey

 

[Mofra]

Panos
Tiller
Skinner
Davidson

Panos went on to be a gun inside midfielder at SANFL level at least. Was close to getting another AFL spot at one point.

 

[Anja_Nees]

Panos went on to be a gun inside midfielder at SANFL level at least. Was close to getting another AFL spot at one point.

He was a total dead eye as well. Just a bit undersized and slow (apparently reinvented himself as a big bodied mid).

I really think, given how bad we were at the time, we should have given him a run in the seniors.

Funnily enough I was reading an old report about a game where Rankine “lost his cool” in the SANFL before being drafted and both him and Michael Talia were playing.

 

[Spiritof82]

DeKonning should have been given more opportunities

The supporters would've rioted, 31 games was more than enough

 

[Werewolf]

The supporters would've rioted, 31 games was more than enough

This was well before my time. Which modern or recent Bulldogs player is a close analogy?

 

[Fossie 32]

This was well before my time. Which modern or recent Bulldogs player is a close analogy?

Gardy? Need a crystal ball to see what the offspring are like though

 

[weltschmerz]

This was well before my time. Which modern or recent Bulldogs player is a close analogy?

Before my time too, but Wikipedia lists his position as “bench”

 

[DueWest]

Gardy? Need a crystal ball to see what the offspring are like though

Sometimes it’s the filly that throws the genes

 

[Mutt]

A reminder that whatever your outrage, or otherwise, at the Jamarra saga, nothing justifies the shit-posting and vitriol that some have posted on here. Trolling by supporters of other teams is similarly unwelcome.

Feel free to contribute as much as you like to this thread, but be thoughtful before posting so that mods don't have to delete posts or issue infractions.

 

[Dogman 1]

A reminder that whatever your outrage, or otherwise, at the Jamarra saga, nothing justifies the shit-posting and vitriol that some have posted on here. Trolling by supporters of other teams is similarly unwelcome.

Feel free to contribute as much as you like to this thread, but be thoughtful before posting so that mods don't have to delete posts or issue infractions.

Well said.

 

[synchrodogcal]

Everything that I read about "Love Machine" makes me think that it's a poorly named venue.

Do we have any PR types here who'd be willing to work with its management to come up with a more appropriate moniker to help ensure that it attracts the clientele that they appear to value?

love removal machine (with apologies to the cult)

 

[Zgope1]

Where this gets pretty messy is the “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” factor.

Clarko basically has had his reputation destroyed over getting too involved in the life style decisions of indigenous players.

Now I haven’t heard that Jamarra’s unsavoury friends are also indigenous so it could be very different but even getting too involved with him can be considered a breach of his cultural safety.

 

[MrChristo]

Clarko basically has had his reputation destroyed over getting too involved in the life style decisions of indigenous players.

I don't disagree with where you're coming from, but possibly poor example.

Clarko's reputation has been destroyed by how Norf have responded to his leadership.
[In that Fagan's reputation isn't being equally destroyed].

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Where this gets pretty messy is the “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” factor.

Clarko basically has had his reputation destroyed over getting too involved in the life style decisions of indigenous players.

Now I haven’t heard that Jamarra’s unsavoury friends are also indigenous so it could be very different but even getting too involved with him can be considered a breach of his cultural safety.

So trying to encourage him to make wiser choices is a “breach of his cultural safety”? And anyone (non-indigenous) who gives advice could be in some sort of weird trouble? Aren’t his choices more threatening to his cultural safety??

Yet if no one does anything then that’s neglect or dismissive or not meeting responsibilities?

What is this country coming to?

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Where this gets pretty messy is the “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” factor.

Clarko basically has had his reputation destroyed over getting too involved in the life style decisions of indigenous players.

Now I haven’t heard that Jamarra’s unsavoury friends are also indigenous so it could be very different but even getting too involved with him can be considered a breach of his cultural safety.

I don’t think any of what happened is from Jamarrah being indigenous.

The players background is irrelevant. Been plenty of white players who act like dickheads and piss their careers away.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

If I'm allowed to psychoanalyse here I do find the whole thing a bit strange because:

• He still does seem to have some genuine affection on a personal level for the club and his teammates. He's not acting this way because he wants to play elsewhere (as opposed to the Dogs) or is hating the club environment.
• The only reason he can play up in the manner that he can is precisely because he is an AFL player. For all of the other difficult to manage AFL players who were given several chances/education, most of them still found a away to try and be productive in an AFL sense, because where the money is coming from. He may want to piss away his money and keep bad company but surely there's a motivation to earn the money to have pissed away and to have that company retain. So why the hell isn't his manager telling him to pull his head in, for no other reason than the both of them want to earn money in the future.

It really speaks to some deeper issues - ones I don't truly understand - and perhaps why he's been treated the way that he has, because on a human/personal level, there's something truly strange going on in the way he's been acting. Sometimes people do stupid or counter-productive things in their life, but there's a simple explanation (lack of support, wrong time/wrong place, etc.).

Perhaps it is just trauma and cultural, because I don't really have an explanation.

 

[Leftarmchinaman]

I honestly don’t think Bevo would want him coming to training now.
I’d suggest there was some intention behind Lades’ comments.

 

[Zgope1]

I don’t think any of what happened is from Jamarrah being indigenous.

The players background is irrelevant. Been plenty of white players who act like dickheads and piss their careers away.

I mustn’t have been clear enough. My post attempted to address how involved a club might be in supporting, directing, steering a young man out of unhealthy life choices. It’s sticky at the best of times because frankly it’s an HR breach to weigh in on personal life stuff for management.

As we saw with hawthorn though, the waters can be murky about providing cultural safety for the player as well as support

 

[Zgope1]

So trying to encourage him to make wiser choices is a “breach of his cultural safety”? And anyone (non-indigenous) who gives advice could be in some sort of weird trouble? Aren’t his choices more threatening to his cultural safety??

Yet if no one does anything then that’s neglect or dismissive or not meeting responsibilities?

What is this country coming to?

Yeh you’ve outlined precisely why this is tricky. What can you really do?