The Jamarra Thread

[Jon#]

People have lost the ability of critical thinking and instead in this day and age rely on what they heard "I heard him say this" "I know him he said that and im in the know" When in front of their very eyes everything is going in the opposite direction. Im dumbfounded how many believed his bs to be honest.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

I can imagine they would be ropeable.

To be honest, if he was on a bender and missed sessions (and may have been in Bali) then I think dropping him was the only answer. I can’t really believe they pushed for him to play.

Not sure I believe the Bali thing to be honesty. Even though he did spend a heap of time there over the off season, there’s just no news outlets that have or are reporting him being there during the bye round. And they’d be all over it surely.

I suspect his issues weren’t as prevalent then and he was still good with his teammates, so they gave him a pass. It would take a fair bit for a group of players to sign off on a teammates omission. The coaches probably shouldn’t have left the decision to them.

 

[The White Mouse]

Interesting update form Tom Morris. The Dogs see this as step in the right direction

I'd be surprised if it was entirely voluntary. It was possibly mutually understood and agreed (by his management anyway) that the AFL could finish him post 26 and that they could/will probably banish him from the club anyway.

A concession that it's voluntary gives some wiggle room should the extraordinary happen whilst also allowing the AFL to appear benevolent. I don't doubt, however, that the message, barring a miraculous turnaround in the next 12 months, is your career is over.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Just want to say we all should be careful re mental health as the motivation and discipline struggles when he sincerely still wants to contribute to the Dogs does line up with some mental ill health effects. And I'm not sure all of the other things he's enjoying or ways that he's spending his time or people he's with disproves that. I can definitely see how maybe a reintegration into the team can be anxiety-inducing to the point that it's disarming, even if Jamarra has good intentions.

I don't disagree with a lot of what's posted but I also do hope he can find an AFL career even if it's not with the Dogs as it's a sign that he is recovering with whatever challenges he's finding himself.

 

[Bald]

Then not much changed from for the dogs other than maybe less distraction from the media when the dust settles on the latest news.

Don't underestimate the positive impact this has. It mightn't seem like it from the outside but clearly Jamarra was a distraction to the club, players and staff, now when anyone is asked about it (whether it be media to coaches/players, players to each other or players to coach) they can simply say he's not currently involved at the club. There is no wondering if today's the day he's going to show up, players questioning if their spot is only a thing whilst Jamarra is away etc.

And from Jamarra's perspective, as much as we all want to shout at clouds about how disgraceful the behavior is, at the end of the day it's my view that he'd feel a certain amount of pressure, embarrassment and shame about the situation as well. If there's no pressure for him to get back to work, then it can actually help him get back sooner because it allows the focus to solely be on the things that got him into that situation to begin with.

 

[BEaston]

surely no one thinks he’s ****ed us over on purpose? but he still has. like you said there’s no winners in this.

I'd say that sentiment is not uncommon in this thread.

 

[Struggle]

Not sure I believe the Bali thing to be honesty. Even though he did spend a heap of time there over the off season, there’s just no news outlets that have or are reporting him being there during the bye round. And they’d be all over it surely.

I suspect his issues weren’t as prevalent then and he was still good with his teammates, so they gave him a pass. It would take a fair bit for a group of players to sign off on a teammates omission. The coaches probably shouldn’t have left the decision to them.

Let's be honest, there's no way he would have had the self control to not post himself at a Kuta beach club on instagram

 

[Dogs Rule]

That’s right. A time when he was still one of them. A leadership group doing right by a teammate, even when he probably didn’t deserve it.

He then re-pays them by shitting all over them and the club.

It shouldn’t surprise anyone some of them have now severed ties.

Let's not also forget that performance in the final either. Witches hat. All when we had players who would've busted a nut to be out there. He wasn't alone that night, but as you said, after your teammates fought so hard for you, to serve up a seemingly disinterested, uncompetitive performance was really poor.

 

[Dazb86]

Whole situation is cooked.

Hopefully Jamarra can get his life together. I don't think he's on a great path at the moment.

 

[go_sports_team]

Just want to say we all should be careful re mental health as the motivation and discipline struggles when he sincerely still wants to contribute to the Dogs does line up with some mental ill health effects. And I'm not sure all of the other things he's enjoying or ways that he's spending his time or people he's with disproves that. I can definitely see how maybe a reintegration into the team can be anxiety-inducing to the point that it's disarming, even if Jamarra has good intentions.

I don't disagree with a lot of what's posted but I also do hope he can find an AFL career even if it's not with the Dogs as it's a sign that he is recovering with whatever challenges he's finding himself.

Anyone who has seen the effects of genuine addiction up close (which many times is completely intertwined with anxiety or depression) know how little "logic" plays into day to day decisions. It's a disease that overrides any sense of right, wrong, good, bad, discipline or otherwise. Trying to apply normal logic to what is happening rarely works. It destroys the person it afflicts as well as those around them. We can be pissed off at the situation the club is in whilst also hoping he comes good one day.

 

[scooter600x]

Just want to say we all should be careful re mental health as the motivation and discipline struggles when he sincerely still wants to contribute to the Dogs does line up with some mental ill health effects. And I'm not sure all of the other things he's enjoying or ways that he's spending his time or people he's with disproves that. I can definitely see how maybe a reintegration into the team can be anxiety-inducing to the point that it's disarming, even if Jamarra has good intentions.

I don't disagree with a lot of what's posted but I also do hope he can find an AFL career even if it's not with the Dogs as it's a sign that he is recovering with whatever challenges he's finding himself.

You do realise 'mental health issues' is a euphemism?

 

[VL3OJ]

I wish Jamarra all the best as this is probably the last chance saloon with family, club and AFL resources at hand. This decision has probably been bubbling away for the last four weeks between all the parties and behind the scenes and I am sure that a lot of energy has gone into this process.

Does anyone know who the manager is? They need to have a good hard long look at themselves as well.

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

I can imagine they would be ropeable.

To be honest, if he was on a bender and missed sessions (and may have been in Bali) then I think dropping him was the only answer. I can’t really believe they pushed for him to play.

I think it was weak as piss by the coaches to play him. Sure, you consult Bontempelli and Liber as the C and VC, but the conversation should’ve been “this is what’s happening”, not “what do you think?”

A lot went wrong in that final but Marra’s performance was behind pathetic. His worse game ever. Meanwhile you’ve got Rhylee West who tries his guts out and is a bloody good footballer as an emergency.

I’m a Bev fan for the most part but that’s a massive cross for him.

 

[Mutt]

I've deleted a few of the over-the-top posts but have let people vent within reason. Please think before you post about this matter, as I don't want to be handing out penalties...we all feel sick to the stomach by this situation.

 

[weltschmerz]

I wish Jamarra all the best as this is probably the last chance saloon with family, club and AFL resources at hand. This decision has probably been bubbling away for the last four weeks between all the parties and behind the scenes and I am sure that a lot of energy has gone into this process.

Does anyone know who the manager is? They need to have a good hard long look at themselves as well.

D'Orazio.

 

[The White Mouse]

Anyone who has seen the effects of genuine addiction up close (which many times is completely intertwined with anxiety or depression) know how little "logic" plays into day to day decisions. It's a disease that overrides any sense of right, wrong, good, bad, discipline or otherwise. Trying to apply normal logic to what is happening rarely works. It destroys the person it afflicts as well as those around them. We can be pissed off at the situation the club is in whilst also hoping he comes good one day.

I've seen it and it's beyond unfortunate. The reality is you just can't make it the problem of the other 43 blokes on the list, the club and ancillary staff.

He's better resourced than most who find themselves in this situation, financially and with access to ongoing professional advice and support.

I hope he turns his life around. I doubt it's as an AFL footballer though and if it is, it won't be with us.

 

[Iamspock]

I wish Jamarra all the best as this is probably the last chance saloon with family, club and AFL resources at hand. This decision has probably been bubbling away for the last four weeks between all the parties and behind the scenes and I am sure that a lot of energy has gone into this process.

Does anyone know who the manager is? They need to have a good hard long look at themselves as well.

Paul Connors, he lives under a rock.

 

[CarnTheScray]

Posted this about Clarke on the Bailey Smith thread


I'm amazed that kid was picked as high as he was - think he was like pick 23?

An average footballer and complete cultural cancer off field, like Lachie Hunter levels

Worst thing was - he was well known in my area for being a loose cannon - how the hell did AFL recruiters miss that?


I saw JUH hanging out with some of Charlie's mates in mid 2023 around Port Melbourne
Had an idea it was all about to go pear-shaped from there.

I am unsure how a player like him can be ranked in the mid 20s yet Freijah goes all the way to the 40s.

 

[CarnTheScray]

An aside, but Roarke is a ripping bloke.

Does he still have the Fabio hairdo?

 

[weltschmerz]

I am unsure how a player like him can be ranked in the mid 20s yet Freijah goes all the way to the 40s.

Freijah's slide still beats me. Clarke though, I imagine we backed ourselves in to get him into a good environment and backed him in to be professional. Clarke's draft was also weaker.

 

[Dogsman16]

I am unsure how a player like him can be ranked in the mid 20s yet Freijah goes all the way to the 40s.

2022 draft is absolute junk after about pick 20.

George from North Melbourne slid massively and is injury prone. Not much other talent in the 20s and 30s of that draft.

 

[weltschmerz]

2022 draft is absolute junk after about pick 20.

George from North Melbourne slid massively and is injury prone. Not much other talent in the 20s and 30s of that draft.

Here's the players taken between Clarke and Gallagher.



Cowan and McMullin have played a bit of footy; some people linked us to Cowan, but he was open about wanting to play for Tasmania. The 12 other players have played 13 games between them.

 

[Anja_Nees]

Does he still have the Fabio hairdo?

He’s cycling through all of Ethan Hunt’s hair styles.

 

[weltschmerz]

Does he still have the Fabio hairdo?

Buzz cut at the moment, showed up at Bont's new business the other day

 

[adogsfan5]

"management plan that will involve medical intervention"

I personally think it’s more than mental health issues. I hope the kid gets the help he needs.