The Jamarra Thread

[The White Mouse]

Its a 2 year extension. I'd argue the great did a great amount of due diligence and arrived at a good outcome. Any less than 2 years essentially signals we aren't willing to work with him and any more would have been disasterous.

You are essentially saying that in October last year you would have been happy for Jamarra to be an uncontracted free agent.

Yes. Seems like a big win given what we have now. The list management team are paid to anticipate. To know their players. They either didn't or ignored the signs. It's on them.

In the meantime, we despatch the problem for no gain other than ridding the club and playing list of a poison.

 

[oldfaithfuldog]

**** we suck as a supporter base.

Jamarra is injured at the moment. It may not be physically but it is no less an injury than what Treloar, Bont or Weightman are dealing with. What's worse is that this injury may cause him act or choose poorly in the eyes of some here. That is certainly not helpful to his cause but not as unhelpful as the supposed supporters who are saying genuinely terrible things about him.

How about supporting him. How about treating him with respect. How about giving him some care and understanding. He'll cop enough from the general public. We're supposed to have his back.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Naughton's a complete clean skin in a 3 game form slump and the vitriol that I've seen is downright disgusting.

Sometimes I feel as a supporter base we don't deserve good things because we eat our own worse than any other. It's no wonder I barely post.

Many people suffer with mental health issues but don’t act out like JUH. He has been given more than enough support and leniency from the club. He seems well enough to hit the clubs and party life but not well enough to train. That’s not mental health, that’s someone making poor life choices and he is responsible for the outcome. No one else.

IMO, he needs to get out of Melbourne and start fresh at another club. Away from his dodgy mates and in a new environment. Otherwise he’ll be lost to footy. The he club also doesn’t need him given his lack of commitment and bad influence.

 

[Bald]

Many people suffer with mental health issues but don’t act out like JUH. He has been given more than enough support and leniency from the club. He seems well enough to hit the clubs and party life but not well enough to train. That’s not mental health, that’s someone making poor life choices and he is responsible for the outcome. No one else.

IMO, he needs to get out of Melbourne and start fresh at another club. Away from his dodgy mates and in a new environment. Otherwise he’ll be lost to footy. The he club also doesn’t need him given his lack of commitment and bad influence.

And many do.

It’s taken a long time since covid for me to feel comfortable being in certain situations, whilst other situations I’m completely fine with. It’s totally fine to say you don’t understand mental health, it’s not fine to pretend like you do.

 

[Doggy]

There seems to be a theme that his mates are "dodgy" or a bad influence.

That is purely guesswork and removes responsibility from JUH himself.

I believe there is a poster here a few pages back that said they know a bunch of those guys in the latest photo and they're not bad people at all. People have been very quick to jump on them.

 

[oldfaithfuldog]

And many do.

It’s taken a long time since covid for me to feel comfortable being in certain situations, whilst other situations I’m completely fine with. It’s totally fine to say you don’t understand mental health, it’s not fine to pretend like you do.

So we should ignore him going out partying before the finals last year & turning up to training disheveled because he apparently has personal issues. He is responsible for his actions, like the rest of society.

your assumption that I don’t know anything about mental health is wrong, I deal with it as part of my work.

 

[oldfaithfuldog]

There seems to be a theme that his mates are "dodgy" or a bad influence.

That is purely guesswork and removes responsibility from JUH himself.

I believe there is a poster here a few pages back that said they know a bunch of those guys in the latest photo and they're not bad people at all. People have been very quick to jump on them.

Agree, he is responsible in the end for his actions.

 

[Doggy]

Agree, he is responsible in the end for his actions.

He seems mostly guilty of posting to social media.

Drinking etc is prevalent in football circles. The difference is he's posting it.

 

[oldfaithfuldog]

He seems mostly guilty of posting to social media.

Drinking etc is prevalent in football circles. The difference is he's posting it.

The difference is he can’t even turn up to training and is partying before games, that conduct is not prevalent for professional afl players. I think you’d be naive enough to think he is only drinking as well. The club/s know it’s more than just a small issue..

 

[Doggy]

The difference is he can’t even turn up to training and is partying before games, that conduct is not prevalent for professional afl players. I think you’d be naive enough to think he is only drinking as well. The club/s know it’s more than just a small issue..

Might not be just alcohol.... but that's also a guess.

Even if it was, that is very much prevalent in AFL circles as well.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

**** we suck as a supporter base.

Jamarra is injured at the moment. It may not be physically but it is no less an injury than what Treloar, Bont or Weightman are dealing with. What's worse is that this injury may cause him act or choose poorly in the eyes of some here. That is certainly not helpful to his cause but not as unhelpful as the supposed supporters who are saying genuinely terrible things about him.

How about supporting him. How about treating him with respect. How about giving him some care and understanding. He'll cop enough from the general public. We're supposed to have his back.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Naughton's a complete clean skin in a 3 game form slump and the vitriol that I've seen is downright disgusting.

Sometimes I feel as a supporter base we don't deserve good things because we eat our own worse than any other. It's no wonder I barely post.

I don’t agree with you often, but on this 100%. As a supporter base we are always negative, and too quiet, the game has to be won before you hear the crowd. I know it comes from years of disappointment, but the players at games need to hear you get behind them, especially if they are fighting to win a game, it can really spur them on.

We are quick to condemn players, Naughty is having a tough time at the moment get behind him to encourage him. I just hope you don’t parent your kids the way some of you support this team.

 

[oldfaithfuldog]

Might not be just alcohol.... but that's also a guess.

Even if it was, that is very much prevalent in AFL circles as well.

Before a final? Not turning up to training because of it? That’s not prevalent. Stop making excuses for him.

 

[BrisDog]

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Before a final? Not turning up to training because of it? That’s not prevalent. Stop making excuses for him.

I couldn’t keep my eyes off him at the Elimination final and he should never be forgiven.

 

[oldfaithfuldog]

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I couldn’t keep my eyes off him at the Elimination final and he should never be forgiven.

Same, it was a disgrace. Complete lack of respect for his teammates.

 

[immortalmike]

I think most of the posters here understand that he is dealing with personal issues and respect that. They can also see where this is heading in terms of him requesting a trade at the end of the year for a fresh start after seeing his trade value completely tank. You are well within your right to not care about what his trade value is as long as he is in a good space mentally, but as diehard supporters of this football club we are also allowed to question choices Jamarra is making that on the surface appear to be calculated decisions to defy the club/drive his trade value.

I think we can all agree it is a grey area and like with most things we can discuss them as adults and not resort to speaking in a manner we would never resort to in the actual real world.

Trade value is a concern but not my main one. The well-being of a kid who's obviously struggling is my main concern in a post Hunter, Selwood and McCarthy era.

People reading into things one way or another is a problem. We have no idea. These things are vague and like reading body language or ****ing tea leaves. Happy for sober discussion but as can be seen on these boards we can't discuss this as adults.

 

[Bald]

So we should ignore him going out partying before the finals last year & turning up to training disheveled because he apparently has personal issues. He is responsible for his actions, like the rest of society.

your assumption that I don’t know anything about mental health is wrong, I deal with it as part of my work.

For sure - you may understand elements of mental health but if you think that just because others suffering act in a certain way that everybody should, then it's fairly clear you have plenty more to learn. There's nothing wrong with that, lots of people do - myself included.

Jamarra should be held accountable (and for all we know he is) for his actions, poor mental health isn't a justification for poor decisions, what it can be, however, is an explanation for them. Not many people are encouraging the behaviour, but we realise it's a complicated situation that isn't helped by claiming we know what's best for him.

 

[immortalmike]

Also nothing I've posted is to say Marra should be absolved of responsibility for his actions. They are his own and he will bare the consequences whatever they may be.

But it is not yours or my place to judge or admonish him.

It is our place to support.

 

[Bont the Lord]

Hey Marra. Can I borrow some money for a new neck tattoo? Your shout again too

 

[dish licker]

Taking the piss, turn up now and again to keep getting paid, go to the pub with his mates and post it on IG to rub it in.

 

[Del203211]

Also nothing I've posted is to say Marra should be absolved of responsibility for his actions. They are his own and he will bare the consequences whatever they may be.

But it is not yours or my place to judge or admonish him.

It is our place to support.

I’ve taken most frustrations from posters in here as a way of dealing with the fact that he’s actually dearly missed and that we want him back playing ASAP. Some go to the extreme but I think most have been pretty respectful.
I think everyone here respects mental health issues and what he’s going through.

 

[Werewolf]

I don't know the mechanics of it all but I'd like to show him the door now. Tear up his contract and p1ss him off.

Wasn't Luke Goetz sacked mid season (2015 by Bevo himself - someone remind me?), have the rules around that changed at all?

We'll get Butters with or without him.

I think a swap "with" would be considerably easier!

Hopefully Jamarra's trade value doesn't tank too much

 

[Optimistic Dog]

Are we just unlucky to get a Jamarra with all his problems and a Smith with an ego that did not fit with the dogs. We are pressing ahead but we are desperate for another flag whilst we have The Bont and Sam and losing these 2 puts a big dint in our chances.

 

[Philthy1]

Wasn't Luke Goetz sacked mid season (2015 by Bevo himself - someone remind me?), have the rules around that changed at all?


I think a swap "with" would be considerably easier!

Hopefully Jamarra's trade value doesn't tank too much

We did sack Goetz, but the AFL needs to agree to any such action as they are a party to all player contracts. AFL will not allow a pick #1 to be terminated.

 

[Mutt]

We did sack Goetz, but the AFL needs to agree to any such action as they are a party to all player contracts. AFL will not allow an indigenous pick #1 to be terminated.

That's your opinion...but that's all it is.

Goetz and the AFL also agreed to terminate his contract. Jamarra (and all players) have a tripartite agreement that requires the club and the AFL to both decide whether the contract will be terminated. I don't believe that this has ever happened unless the player also agreed.

The contract situation is not related to Jamarra's race.

 

[H Dolphin]

A year ago, anyone who posted what's de rigueur to now post would have found 'racist' and 'stereotyping' among responses.

 

[Philthy1]

That's your opinion...but that's all it is.

Goetz and the AFL also agreed to terminate his contract. Jamarra (and all players) have a tripartite agreement that requires the club and the AFL to both decide whether the contract will be terminated. I don't believe that this has ever happened unless the player also agreed.

The contract situation is not related to Jamarra's race.

Luke Goetz was not a very well known player. Ending his contract had very little optics attached to it.

I agree the contract situation has nothing to do with JUHs race. My point was the optics of ending the contract of a high profile player looks bad for everyone.