The Jamarra Thread

[oldfaithfuldog]

When you aren't at work you generally spend extra, well I do atleast.
The club petitioning the AFL to limit his pay to reflect the percentage of time he has spent at the club. As much to protect him as much as the club. The AFL won't sign off on anything to do with reducing pay or terminating a contract, this is due to multiple factors including impact on total player payments and salary cap as well as backlash from AFLPA.

I’m interested to understand what it means more broadly for his afl career. If he won’t fulfil the basics of his contract at the Dogs I’m not sure that he should get the opportunity to just start up somewhere else. Harsh I know, but he was drafted to us and is under contract. Slippery slope for the competition.
I also believe the afl has a duty to support rehab/treatment after he is de registered if that happens..

Don't be surprised if the AFL move to suspend his payments completely until he completes certain goals set out by both the AFL and the Dogs, as I've been told, this is something that is currently being worked out amongst AFL house, AFL PA, his management, and us. Very complicated, complex, and a first-time situation that I don't think we've ever seen before.

He will remain contracted, but without the financial benefit of the contract.

Completely de-registering him as a player is the last resort.

The quicker the better. It’s ridiculous how much leeway and sympathy (sympathy is different to empathy before anyone jumps on this) he has been given. He hasn’t upheld his end of the contract and flaunted it. Meanwhile the average supporter would have lost their job 5 months ago.

 

[stefoid]

So best case scenario now for everyone concerned is to trade him to a perth club.

Given the risk, probably for 3/5ths of eff all

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I can understand ignoring Buddy, but ignoring Eddie Betts?! Close to my favourite non-Bulldog of all time, both on and off field.

If you're rejecting Bont AND Eddie...

I'd say, if underneath it all he really wanted to play footy again, he would. And fit the friends in, in some other way. I can only conclude that he doesn't want to play footy.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I am not suggesting for a second here that it's not a good thing that modern society is a lot more understanding with modern health, and I'm not ignoring the nature of being an Indigenous man from a rural community nor the good power than a union naturally has....

but you do wonder in what circumstance and if it's procedurally fair to still be earning that money when you're not fundamentally doing his job. The AFLPA and AFL don't want him not to be paid for the precedent etc. it creates but it must grate for him to be spending that money without maintaining the wording of his contract.

Perhaps issuing him with a legal letter (AFLPA approved) advising him that his salary would be withheld until he either returned to regular attendance at his place of employment and followed the rules of that place, for a prescribed period of time (eg six months), might cause him to rethink his choices in life.

 

[Spiritof82]

If Betts and Franklin who JUH looked up to as kid if they can’t get though to him then no one will

Frankilin would be the last "role model" you'd want anyone to talk with

 

[X_box_X]

Perhaps issuing him with a legal letter (AFLPA approved) advising him that his salary would be withheld until he either returned to regular attendance at his place of employment and followed the rules of that place, for a prescribed period of time (eg six months), might cause him to rethink his choices in life.

It sounds more complex than that.

I know in my workplace if you go on Work Cover due to mental health reasons, you still get paid. Most work places including the AFL would be similar, I'd have thought?

 

[Dogs Rule]

If Jamarra is sacked, does that open a list spot for the MSD, or is this some unusual situation where the AFL will agree to some compo as a watershed case?

I hope there's compo. It's not as though (as other fans seem to think) we got him for free.

Just incredible how quickly and easily someone can p*** their career down the drain and for what?

Bottom line is he's being paid and he's not turning up to work and seemingly doing as he pleases.

 

[oldfaithfuldog]

It sounds more complex than that.

I know in my workplace if you go on Work Cover due to mental health reasons, you still get paid. Most work places including the AFL would be similar, I'd have thought?

But this is not a work cover claim, very different.

The laws for mental health and work cover claims have also been tightened and will be more so due to the cost to businesses to fund it via increased premiums.

 

[Freshwater]

It sounds more complex than that.

I know in my workplace if you go on Work Cover due to mental health reasons, you still get paid. Most work places including the AFL would be similar, I'd have thought?

And that’s fine because people need to eat and pay rent/mortgage, petrol etc on the usual $1,000-$1,500 a week. Not on $15,000 a week, with a compromised behavioural pattern.

 

[Jon#]

I'd say, if underneath it all he really wanted to play footy again, he would. And fit the friends in, in some other way. I can only conclude that he doesn't want to play footy.

I can't help but feel that he doesn't want to play for the Dogs full stop, wants out and all the muck up social media posting is to speed up the exit.

 

[Munnez]

If he isn't listening to Eddie and Lance god knows what will get through to him...

Money running out would be a shock to the system.

 

[Sentinel]

Frankilin would be the last "role model" you'd want anyone to talk with

I think the opposite in this case. Franklin was obviously a bit of a party boy who played up, but managed to do so whilst taking a professional approach to his football. He of all people might be able to show Jamarra how to find a balance, and given that think he's more likely to be listened to than most.

 

[dergert]

Purple being his usual spineless self. Has been blaming Bevo for JUH's behaviour in his shitty sliding doors piece on the AFL site but not a single peep when he had the floor on TV.

 

[Mojorisin]

Purple being his usual spineless self. Has been blaming Bevo for JUH's behaviour in his shitty sliding doors piece on the AFL site but not a single peep when he had the floor on TV.

He got the name purple or a reason

 

[Dogs Rule]

Purple being his usual spineless self. Has been blaming Bevo for JUH's behaviour in his shitty sliding doors piece on the AFL site but not a single peep when he had the floor on TV.

Of course. It's an easy connect to the dots exercise for him. That thing he does is built on playing favourites, personal grudges, hobby horses and nonsensical conclusions. It's clickbait designed to get people angry.

Would be interested to ask him though why he blames poor behaviour on players at some clubs at the coach/es at other clubs. Obviously he wouldn't answer...

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

It sounds more complex than that.

I know in my workplace if you go on Work Cover due to mental health reasons, you still get paid. Most work places including the AFL would be similar, I'd have thought?

Don't you need a clinical diagnosis though? Or can you just say, I'm in mourning; I'm depressed; Going to work makes me anxious? Surely the AFL and PA would want to see something more official?

 

[BulldogMuscle]

Current mail is he isn't open to leaving Vic.

 

[Mojorisin]

Current mail is he isn't open to leaving Vic.

He isnt, his management is though.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I can't help but feel that he doesn't want to play for the Dogs full stop, wants out and all the muck up social media posting is to speed up the exit.

The AFL can't condone this, otherwise it might catch on. It's like strike action.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Current mail is he isn't open to leaving Vic.

Given that he doesn't want to train and earn hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to otherwise spend time with mates, this is absolutely no surprise when moving to a new club interstate would also involve by definition moving away from those mates

 

[BulldogMuscle]

He isnt, his management is though.

Sounds like his management are gonna leave Vic themselves and leave him behind lol

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Current mail is he isn't open to leaving Vic.

I wouldn't have thought so.

 

[Mojorisin]

Sounds like his management are gonna leave Vic themselves and leave him behind lol

I think he would tempt them!

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I can't help but feel that he doesn't want to play for the Dogs full stop, wants out and all the muck up social media posting is to speed up the exit.

He wouldn't be liking posts on Instagram with Dogs highlights and posting photos of himself the few times he's been at training this season if he didn't like the Dogs though. There's no suggestion whatsoever that any of his views of the club or what the club has done has impacted him any way (and by all accounts he still seems to like the club above others), it's all internal for him.

 

[BulldogMuscle]

He wouldn't be liking posts on Instagram with Dogs highlights and posting photos of himself the few times he's been at training this season if he didn't like the Dogs though. There's no suggestion whatsoever that any of his views of the club or what the club has done has impacted him any way (and by all accounts he still seems to like the club above others), it's all internal for him.

Also, in his defence, I haven't actually seen him post anything himself that's ''dumb'' for at least two weeks now. The stuff that was shown recently throughout the media was weeks old and wasn't even posted by him.
Yes, he was stupid for being out with these people and being in that space where he could have videos of himself taken whilst intoxicated and yes, he isn't still showing up to training, but it has been several weeks since posting himself about being out and doing dumb shit, so at least the ''relax on posting dumb stuff to social media'' side is starting to slowly sink in?