Understand what you’re saying.saw it last night and I really struggled with it.
I thought the film looked excellent, music was on point and the plot of how the Joker became a symbol to Gotham was very nice.
I just think the ending had far too many holes in it to be truly gripping and believable.
I thought the Joker’s character became too political. I feel that the best Joker’s stand for nothing, yet this Joker clearly has an anti-capitalist agenda and would operate out of fairness such as when he spared the midget or we didn’t see whether he killed his neighbor.
I thought the whole idea of the tv show sourcing comedy club film, putting him on TV and allowing him to wear a clearly political outfit on a fluffy talk show was a bridge too far, also how long production allowed that conversation to go to air was highly unrealistic.
In fact, I found the whole transplant of the King of Comedy into the film to be quite lazy.
And of course the asylum scene at the end was a major cop out and didn’t leave us with that hard-hitting final shot like that burning Gotham City could have.
I feel I’m just not quite getting any deeper challenging messages from this film, it was just a really nice and clever way of showing the birth of the Joker and Fall of Gotham.
I liked a lot of it, I loved the performance/dance elements that were brought back, he looked fantastic as both Arthur and Joker. It just missed the mark on Joker’s values I think and instead went for just a society outcast ala Taxi Driver.
It’s a similar conversation to the Michael Jackson controversy earlier this year. Can one separate the art/music from the actual artist themselves.On the Gary Glitter thing; I'm not a "boycott from all recognition" type of guy when it comes to art. I think it's a bit different than say playing the song at a Primary school athletics day or something that isn't trying to make a deeper meaning. Even when Glee did a song of his on their show, I think that's far more objectionable, but given it's just art I'm okay with it.
The music fit the scene perfectly and was my favourite scene in the whole film.
Been following his channel on YouTube for while and tend to agree with the majority of what he says.
Bang on. The score gradually increasing in pace and volume as he dances and is then worshipped by his followers as he stands on the bonnet is probably one of the best scenes I have seen in cinematic history. Perfection. Makes the movie amazing.Not a huge fan of the final minute, for me I would have been fine if it ended with the image of him standing on that police car being cheered whilst Gotham burns behind him.
Brilliant scene and thumping score. Sensational note to end it on. Intermixed with the death of the Wayne’s.
That final moment with the psychiatrist at Arkham (I’m guessing), I didn’t really like that. I enjoyed the “you wouldn’t get it reference”, a great callback to the greatest comic book novel of all time (more on that later).
But the scene itself, to then leave it open to interpretation if the entire events that transpired in the film actually happened or not? Nah, not a fan of that. Seems a bit of a cop out and cheapens the impact of the film for me.
I’ve got no problem with his delusional day dreaming about his date etc, his mental health was already rapidly deteriorating at that point. But whether the entire thing happened or not, no thank you. Anyway, minor gripe overall. But wish it didn’t end on that note.
I started reading The Dark Knight Returns again last night, it’s been a while. It still gets me, even after first reading it 30+ years ago. This is a sensational scene and clearly used as some inspiration for Joker’s appearance on the Murray Franklin show, an excerpt from the animated movie:
Agreed. My brief thoughts too.Just watched it, thought Joaqin was absolutely fantastic. Score and cinematography was brilliant, pacing was a little off.
8/10 for me
I genuinely don’t think we’ll be seeing a Leto Joker again. I believe that ship has sailed.Saw it tonight and found it unsettling. Really enjoyed it.
I can’t quite picture that Joker in a Batman movie. I can, however, imagine him in an amazing adaptation of Mad Love introducing the origins of Harley Quinn, done in an R rated fashion.
I don’t think Ledger’s Joker was right for that story. Sadly it seems like it’ll be Leto/Robbie doing that story and that brand is already tarnished. And as good as Robbie is as zany Harley, I don’t know if she’ll nail Harleen’s fragility.
Was a good casting choice, and just the right amount of airtime for him. More than just a cameo, but not a major role (which to be fair, the only major role here is Phoenix). Great acting between the two of them in that scene, the tension in that exchange was palpable.Also De Niro was really good in terms of what he brought to the film.
Not a lot of airtime and nothing really spectacular for RDN but just another presence and strong actor to fill in the Jokers premise.
At what point in this movie is he a criminal mastermind?Uncomfortable viewing and crap story.
Expect us to believe that incredibly ill guy who is just about to stop taking his meds is a criminal mastermind? Gimme a break.
A clown uprising from three office workers being killed on a train?! Come on man!
Well I don’t even care what this joker is meant to become, just a completely ill person.At what point in this movie is he a criminal mastermind?
And yeah, that spoiler was pretty well explained in the film, not sure why that’s a complaint.
But your complaint was that he becomes a criminal mastermind though.Well I don’t even care what this joker is meant to become, just a completely ill person.
The spoiler was explained but don’t buy it.
No my complaint is I can’t this guy as any sort of functioning person let alone the Joker or some kind of at least savvy criminal.But your complaint was that he becomes a criminal mastermind though.
And to your initial point of being uncomfortable viewing, that was the point.
A guy with obvious mental health issues, with no support network in a city that has high tensions between the rich and poor, along with law enforcement struggling to their job. He's a powder keg waiting to go off.
Take DC out of the movie and it's still a mildly believable and confronting story.
I ask this with 100% sincerity, but what movie were you expecting?