Tertiary and Continuing The Law Thread

[the harry]

You won't know what you actually like until you start doing it.

I'm pretty sure some people just have no passion for certain things. Family and crim can be pretty devisive.

Keep your personal political views off your cover letter too.

That is unless you happen to have similar views to the company. MB and Slaters do like union membership ect.

 

[checkraiseulite]

I'm pretty sure some people just have no passion for certain things. Family and crim can be pretty devisive.



That is unless you happen to have similar views to the company. MB and Slaters do like union membership ect.

speaking of divisive.

 

[the harry]

speaking of divisive.

Damn, a spelling error.

You do agree with my point though.

If you don't like unions you probably don't like the idea of working at MB, if you don't like people who defend big tobacco you may not like Clayton, Work Choices/Freehills, defending rapists, murderers ect/Stary.

Political opinions and the law are, unsurprisingly, connected. This no doubt will play a role, whether you (not you specifically) are aware of it or not, in how you come across and the success you are likely to have with bigger firms.

 

[checkraiseulite]

Damn, a spelling error.

You do agree with my point though.

If you don't like unions you probably don't like the idea of working at MB, if you don't like people who defend big tobacco you may not like Clayton, Work Choices/Freehills, defending rapists, murderers ect/Stary.

Political opinions and the law are, unsurprisingly, connected. This no doubt will play a role, whether you (not you specifically) are aware of it or not, in how you come across and the success you are likely to have with bigger firms.

i wasn't highlighting the error, just highlighting that working for MB S&G etc is very divisive (and by all accounts will affect the rest of your career if you start there).

no doubt political opinions and the law are interconnected, but as a lawyer you should be able to divorce your own political opinions (and your opinions generally) from your work.

you would refuse to work at clutz on account of them defending big tobacco?

 

[the harry]

i wasn't highlighting the error, just highlighting that working for MB S&G etc is very divisive (and by all accounts will affect the rest of your career if you start there).

no doubt political opinions and the law are interconnected, but as a lawyer you should be able to divorce your own political opinions (and your opinions generally) from your work.

you would refuse to work at clutz on account of them defending big tobacco?

Yeah I suspect that either would be a tough branding to shake in the future, for better or worse.

While I understand line of thought, I think it would be difficult to make a career out of doing something that you personally view as counterproductive to society. But then, even if as a lawyer you were able to manage that, there is a reason why firms maintain a leaning to one direction or another, it is because of how the recruit and reward/promote their staff. So not only do you need to be comfortable with it, you also need to be able to convince those on the other side of the desk you pro whatever cause/behaviour you are advocating.

As for Clayton, I would not get the chance to work there, but I am not saddened by it at all.

 

[checkraiseulite]

So not only do you need to be comfortable with it, you also need to be able to convince those on the other side of the desk you pro whatever cause/behaviour you are advocating.

disagree here. as solicitors you just need to be doing quality work.

clients won't care whether you agree, as the more sophisticated they'll know your personal opinion is worth nothing.

 

[the harry]

disagree here. as solicitors you just need to be doing quality work.

clients won't care whether you agree, as the more sophisticated they'll know your personal opinion is worth nothing.

I was refering to those who employ you rather than the clients.

 

[Impunity!]

As for Clayton, I would not get the chance to work there, but I am not saddened by it at all.

Why would you not get the chance to work there?

 

[checkraiseulite]

I was refering to those who employ you rather than the clients.

Still disagree. Think they'd rather objective people who aren't going to view a problem through the prism of their own biased views.

 

[davo99]

So ended up getting one distinction and two credits. Family law and Property law next sem, anyone done those units?

 

[the harry]

Why would you not get the chance to work there?

The seasonal I did wasn't at a law firm, did it OS with a manufacturing company that gives away its profits to charity. As I knew I wanted to do my masters (non law) and so was keen to make the most of the opportunity.

This all made it harder when applying for sizable firms as in pretty much every application one of the questions was "where did you do your seasonal internship?" and also it was pretty clear from my further study that law, outside of say ASIC, wasn't the highest priority for me.

So the not getting a chance is just more to do with the choices I made during my study rather than any prejudice or anything.

 

[getthefooty]

where are you studying, and why are you failing units?

Latrobe, and because I haven't applied myself. Turns out I passed everything (just) last sem, so I'll stick with it.

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[checkraiseulite]

Latrobe, and because I haven't applied myself. Turns out I passed everything (just) last sem, so I'll stick with it.

prob don't want to have la trobe fails on your transcript if you want to work at a mid-tier or better firm so it's very good to have passed.

ime with a law degree, you don't necessarily have to work hard, just smart. can't stress enough how beneficial it is to get access to resources such as other people's notes.

 

[dymot]

prob don't want to have la trobe fails on your transcript if you want to work at a mid-tier or better firm so it's very good to have passed.

ime with a law degree, you don't necessarily have to work hard, just smart. can't stress enough how beneficial it is to get access to resources such as other people's notes.

There's news for you. The days of going to x are irrelevant. The act is many are overlooking and not even botherin ith the Melbourne JD anymore nor do they care where you came from but whether you were right candidate at the end of the day.

Many smaller and mid tier companies don't worry about this at all. In fact the news in yesterday was a guy who was an absolute dropkick at uni who tutored us in a unit he had knowledge in and was a dropkick cause he couldnt be buggered applying himself at all just got headhunted by big organisations to come to them cause of his abilities and work in certain areas of laws. Fair to say he failed the one unit which is relevant to his operations 3 or 4 times before passing with a c.

 

[Shoei]

So ended up getting one distinction and two credits. Family law and Property law next sem, anyone done those units?

Have done both.
Property was boring as but ok, Family law was horrible. Picked it as an elective thinking "hey i'll broaden my scope of employment" and absolutely hated everything about it.

Ended up with two credits and a pass this semester. Pretty disappointing!.

Hong Kong trip can't come fast enough!

 

[davo99]

Have done both.
Property was boring as but ok, Family law was horrible. Picked it as an elective thinking "hey i'll broaden my scope of employment" and absolutely hated everything about it.

Ended up with two credits and a pass this semester. Pretty disappointing!.

Hong Kong trip can't come fast enough!

Thanks for filling me up with confidence!

 

[checkraiseulite]

There's news for you. The days of going to x are irrelevant. The act is many are overlooking and not even botherin ith the Melbourne JD anymore nor do they care where you came from but whether you were right candidate at the end of the day.

Many smaller and mid tier companies don't worry about this at all. In fact the news in yesterday was a guy who was an absolute dropkick at uni who tutored us in a unit he had knowledge in and was a dropkick cause he couldnt be buggered applying himself at all just got headhunted by big organisations to come to them cause of his abilities and work in certain areas of laws. Fair to say he failed the one unit which is relevant to his operations 3 or 4 times before passing with a c.

lol.

 

[dymot]

lol.

What's lol about this? The fact is that what uni you go to doesn't matter much anymore except to the firmas with oldies running it or the ones that are run like Scotch boys clubs. Other things are looked above the school you went to because it means jack shit at the end of the day especially in courses where there is an overarching central body charged with accreditation. My brother just ended his course at Latrobe Bendigo and the thing that they were more excited about when her applied for a masters with another institution because Latrobe doesn't do it was not the fact that hte course was done at Latrobe and at their Bendigo campus but what he had done and acchieved. Huge firms are struggling not like they used to because smaller firms (across many industries too) which realise other options areout there and other reasons to why person b went to school x or did this in their career prior have gained a huge competitive advantage not gained and not seen by bigger firms. Biggest fallacy since Santa that going to Melbourne is the be all and end all of your tertiary life and especially your career as a lawyer.

 

[checkraiseulite]

What's lol about this? The fact is that what uni you go to doesn't matter much anymore except to the firmas with oldies running it or the ones that are run like Scotch boys clubs. Other things are looked above the school you went to because it means jack shit at the end of the day especially in courses where there is an overarching central body charged with accreditation. My brother just ended his course at Latrobe Bendigo and the thing that they were more excited about when her applied for a masters with another institution because Latrobe doesn't do it was not the fact that hte course was done at Latrobe and at their Bendigo campus but what he had done and acchieved. Huge firms are struggling not like they used to because smaller firms (across many industries too) which realise other options areout there and other reasons to why person b went to school x or did this in their career prior have gained a huge competitive advantage not gained and not seen by bigger firms. Biggest fallacy since Santa that going to Melbourne is the be all and end all of your tertiary life and especially your career as a lawyer.

Lol

 

[dymot]

Lol

Keep saying lol but obviously you have a very weird perspective if you think uni x being once a shit or being a newer uni is a reason to cause you trouble. Funny how some of the best academic scandals have been from the unis with the better reputations supposedly.

 

[TheJaegerBomb]

Keep saying lol but obviously you have a very weird perspective if you think uni x being once a shit or being a newer uni is a reason to cause you trouble. Funny how some of the best academic scandals have been from the unis with the better reputations supposedly.

I have found that people who still hold this view can never put forward a decent argument because there is none.

 

[dymot]

I have found that people who still hold this view can never put forward a decent argument because there is none.

Which view? Mine?

 

[TheJaegerBomb]

Which view? Mine?

No not you. I agree with you.

 

[dymot]

No not you. I agree with you.

Nice and yeah did think that's what was meant , just clarifying. Agree absolutely with your views in reply. I think it is incredibly funny how here we are hearing from people why Melb has a better program and they (including staff and students at the uni) cannot justify the JD benefits over doing the standard undergrad course. It is firstatl really funny watching them squirm and secondly then funny watching them be unable to debate successfully on the issue which then makes you laugh even more when reminding yourself of what tyhey actually are studying.

 

[J_Moore]

you would refuse to work at clutz on account of them defending big tobacco?

I had a friend that walked from a top-tier firm due to the clients she was working for. She doesn't regret it at all.

Interestingly, I reckon maybe 25% (probably less, tbh) of my law-degree mates from uni are still at big commercial firms, 3-5 years later. The one guy I thought was definitely in it for the long haul has just left. No doubt it can be good for your career, but, jeez, the work often sounded pretty shithouse.