The Liberal Party - How long? - Part 2

[The Punter]

This is why I made a juvenile joke

It's better than joking about wanting people dead

 

[Gough]

All going well.

 

[Crankyhawk]

This is why I made a juvenile joke

It's better than joking about wanting people dead

I’m very comfortable wishing that some people would die. Putin, bibi, trump top of that list.

 

[Gough]

Hastie positioning himself to be seen as the saviour.

'We've put off arguments … time to have it out': Liberals reveal deep divisions

A profound schism is emerging between Liberals who want the party to move to the "sensible centre" and those who believe moderates are hijacking the devastating election loss to suit their agenda.

www.abc.net.au

 

[krakouers]

interesting piece in the saturday paper about the hold the mad monk and his failed chief of staff still have over the reactionaries. and the mad monk has some clout bc the right-wing political inciter, lachlan, appointed the mad monk to the fox board. and now resides back in oz so he can push the libs to trump levels.

and to top off how out-of-touch the mad monk is, he hosted a dinner for liz truss - it took 49 days for the poms to realise what dead weight she was. of course, the liberal party media cheer squad were apparently there - sky news ceo and editor-in-chief of the australian (news ha!). along with credlin and hubby loughnane. and no punch without little johhny. you couldn’t make this stuff up.

a liberal told the author, jason koutsoukis:

“These people are like a cancer in the Liberal Party. They’re not arguing for desperately needed medicine; they’re arguing for more carcinogenic policies. And if they have their own way, they will kill the Liberal Party for good.”

“Abbott, his Sky News after dark cronies and those few people left in the parliamentary party who still listen to him, are so tone-deaf that they are trying to pretend the weaknesses that made the Coalition unelectable are actually strengths”

Can we hang a portrait of these two then at the Labor party headquarters?
"for the two who made a Labor Gov possible"

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Hastie positioning himself to be seen as the saviour.

'We've put off arguments … time to have it out': Liberals reveal deep divisions

A profound schism is emerging between Liberals who want the party to move to the "sensible centre" and those who believe moderates are hijacking the devastating election loss to suit their agenda.

www.abc.net.au

Libs need to embrace net zero because it is a non negotiable for millenials and gen z.

 

[kalex6251]

Henderson is a pretty nasty piece of work and a good reason as to why she sits in the Senate and not the House of Representatives anymore

nasty indeed ....... anyone suggesting sarah is a moderate has to be hallucinating ..... shes been moving to the right on a number of issues in recent years and i suspect tonights 4corners post mortem will further confirm that

 

[The Punter]

nasty indeed ....... anyone suggesting sarah is a moderate has to be hallucinating ..... shes been moving to the right on a number of issues in recent years and i suspect tonights 4corners post mortem will further confirm that

She's quoted in that ABC piece as saying "we shouldn't move to the centre".

Ye gods.

 

[schneebly111]

Libs need to embrace net zero because it is a non negotiable for millenials and gen z.

That’s why they wanted to get rid of “indoctrination” in education. Among other things they want teaching about the urgency of climate change removed, if not outright denial.

 

[The Punter]

Climate change is real

Humans are contributing to it

It's hurting us

Teaching kids the world is imminently coming to an end is negatively effecting their mental health

All these things are true at the same time

We need more nuance in debate, not less

 

[schneebly111]

Teaching kids the world is imminently coming to an end is negatively effecting their mental health

Produce any part of any Australian school curriculum where that is taught. Isn’t even remotely true.

 

[The Punter]

Produce any part of any Australian school curriculum where that is taught. Isn’t even remotely true.

They hear it everywhere. We can teach kids about scientific reality without making them feel helpless or doomed.

You referred to the education of "the urgency of climate change being removed" and then denied this is happening. It's urgent like all the other things, but pimply 14 year old kids (I have one) aren't about to fix the problem.

Again, we need more nuance and less emotion in debate, especially when it comes to education.

 

[Mofra]

2050 (which is our official government stance) is hardly "imminent"

 

[kalex6251]

Climate change is real

Humans are contributing to it

It's hurting us

Teaching kids the world is imminently coming to an end is negatively effecting their mental health

All these things are true at the same time

We need more nuance in debate, not less

the logic of this argument mirrors the hostility towards education policy (pick a subject .... colonialism, feminism, environment, queer studies ..... the list goes on and on and on and on ....... all of these have been targeted by the right in an effort to shame and discredit their legitimacy .... even museums have been aggressively attacked as bullwarks of unhinged left ideology served up by frankfurt school marxists)

at what point do the right acknowledge/accept that seriously bad $hit has happened (and in the case of climate change - is happening - and getting worse) ..... a 'bury your head in the sands' unicorn approach that further entrenches a faith-based values system at the centre of curriculum would be a disastrous and shameful legacy

 

[The Punter]

the logic of this argument mirrors the hostility towards education policy (pick a subject .... colonialism, feminism, environment, queer studies ..... the list goes on and on and on and on ....... all of these have been targeted by the right in an effort to shame and discredit their legitimacy .... even museums have been aggressively attacked as bullwarks of unhinged left ideology served up by frankfurt school marxists)

at what point do the right acknowledge/accept that seriously bad $hit has happened (and in the case of climate change - is happening - and getting worse) ..... a 'bury your head in the sands' unicorn approach that further entrenches a faith-based values system at the centre of curriculum would be a disastrous and shameful legacy

Firstly, nice length bow.

Secondly, make students feel empowered in the solution. I just said climate change is happening and we're contributing, but making kids feel like Armageddon is scheduled and inevitable is not helping anyone.

Thirdly, there is stuff that is school education and stuff that is tertiary education.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

That’s why they wanted to get rid of “indoctrination” in education. Among other things they want teaching about the urgency of climate change removed, if not outright denial.

It's more that the libs are trapped, their donors wants are not what right now the new majority of the electorate want, they can't hark back to the Howard years because again those 2 generations either hate the man or too young to remember and the less said about 2013 to 2022 the better.

 

[Gough]

If we make kids aware of the reality of climate change they might start asking some nasty questions as to why action on it has been opposed so vigorously be one side of politics.

 

[Saint]

If we make kids aware of the reality of climate change they might start asking some nasty questions as to why action on it has been opposed so vigorously be one side of politics.

The ALP are firmly into the opposition to climate action right now.

Their first term rolled back a lot of environmental protections and approved a lot of coal and gas extraction for the benefit of foreign profits.

 

[nut]

Climate change is real

Humans are contributing to it

It's hurting us

Teaching kids the world is imminently coming to an end is negatively effecting their mental health

All these things are true at the same time

We need more nuance in debate, not less

What are we debating?

 

[Saint]

The funniest part of that Liberal video of post-election. Is that Liberals genuinely think that you can be considered a nice person even if you have a set of policies designed to demonise a lot of minorities.

As long as you speak in friendly tones in Canberra, who cares about indigenous, female, sick people, the elderly, refugees? If you have policies aimed at hitting the lower classes while being a multi-millionaire, don't expect people to think you're a nice person.

The insistence of separating the person from their awful policies is an insult to anyone with empathy. It sounds like Dutton is a nice guy in person. But his policies reveal his underlying disdain for people not as well off as he is, which is an awful trait to have.

 

[Gough]

The ALP are firmly into the opposition to climate action right now.

Their first term rolled back a lot of environmental protections and approved a lot of coal and gas extraction for the benefit of foreign profits.

It's less than ten years since a future PM rocked up to QT with a lump of coal extolling it's value. Not letting the current government off the hook but the alleged Liberal moderates are still having to deal with very powerful people in their party who don't even think climate change is real.

 

[nut]

They hear it everywhere. We can teach kids about scientific reality without making them feel helpless or doomed.

You referred to the education of "the urgency of climate change being removed" and then denied this is happening. It's urgent like all the other things, but pimply 14 year old kids (I have one) aren't about to fix the problem.

Again, we need more nuance and less emotion in debate, especially when it comes to education.

You want to umbrella kids from the enormity of climate change? What for?

There are countless amazing technological advances in carbon capture etc….
Renewables are a good news story ..
Chinas tree planting is a good news story.
Carbon capture in Finland….. etc…

What’s more scary than a government bringing coal into parliament FFS….

 

[nut]

It's less than ten years since a future PM rocked up to QT with a lump of coal extolling it's value. Not letting the current government off the hook but the alleged Liberal moderates are still having to deal with very powerful people in their party who don't even think climate change is real.

Beat me too it

 

[The Punter]

You want to umbrella kids from the enormity of climate change? What for?

I said it in my initial post: for their mental health.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I said it in my initial post: for their mental health.

Should we umbrella them from the rest of the LNP culture war nonsense as well?