The Liberal Party - How long? - Part 2

[The Punter]

In my opinion, unless the Libs somehow find a leader who is insanely popular, like too electable not to rally behind, they will splinter in the next 15 years with the right of the party merging with ON/Nats and the few moderates and centrists left over joining with the Teals.

Hastie wants to make LNP the 'big tent' party once again, but that is just incompatible to what they are at this time, which is a party that cannot form government or do literally anything without appeasing the hard right... and the fault lines between what liberal moderates and so called conservatives/right wing voters support are just too wide. You can't have a big tent if someone in the tent is holding a gun.

Hastie would have to make some compromises to have the party be the big tent party once again. He has displayed little propensity for this so far.

 

[justlookingaround]

Hastie would have to make some compromises to have the party be the big tent party once again. He has displayed little propensity for this so far.

100%, he isn’t a team player and has been demonstrating this since he threatened to cross the floor over Turnbull’s climate policy.

Another reason the Liberal party doesn’t work, which is rarely mentioned, is that they’re all absolute shit heads.

 

[Forward Press]

As they say, governments lose elections, oppositions don't win them, so I wouldn't count out Andrew Hastie eventually being a Prime Minister.

We all have our own opinions on him but to the wider voting population he is more electable than Peter Dutton.

 

[Festerz]

Respected business leader, academic, former Chair of the ACCC and author of the Environmental Laws Review, Prof Graeme Samuel has expressed delight at the environmental reforms legislation that the Albanese Government will pass today, in the last day of Parliamentary sitting for 2025.

He adds his voice to the number of people calling the Liberal Party and their coalition partners as being absolutely irrelevant and that all we've seen from them in the past five years has been 'obfuscation, inconsistencies, contradictions and obstruction'

 

[Festerz]

100%, he isn’t a team player and has been demonstrating this since he threatened to cross the floor over Turnbull’s climate policy.

I know nothing about the internal machinations of the Federal Liberal Party. But my observation of what has happened over the past decade is that being 'a team player' counts for absolutely nothing when it comes to being their prospective leader.

I mean their last leader who became PM was Scott Morrison and he got there via some duplicitous double dealing with the knifing of his predecessor. And he famously appointed himself a Minister of five additional senior portfolios without telling any of his Cabinet colleagues.

Niki Savva's new book 'Earthquake' tells similar stories about Peter Dutton's reluctance to trust and work with or take advice from his Cabinet colleagues on major policy issues.

Reckon being a self interested egotist is a common denominator for most politicians across the board. And it's the star quality for being leader of the Federal Liberal Party these days. Given the party and their coalition partners stand for absolutely f-all at the moment other than self preservation, giving a feck about nothing but yourself is probably a good career move for any conservative politician right now to be perfectly honest. But it sure as heck will get them nowhere close to getting back to government anytime soon barring a MAGA-style mass lunacy taking place across the voting public.

 

[sherb]

As they say, governments lose elections, oppositions don't win them, so I wouldn't count out Andrew Hastie eventually being a Prime Minister.

We all have our own opinions on him but to the wider voting population he is more electable than Peter Dutton.

In fairness, that's not a particularly high bar to hurdle.

 

[Father Jack]

Hastie would have to make some compromises to have the party be the big tent party once again. He has displayed little propensity for this so far.

He couldn't even compromise enough to keep his trap shut over that late term abortion nonsense he was spouting a month ago, something that pretty much rules him out of being capable of leading anything

 

[QuietB]

But as I asked the other day, even allowing for an avarice that qualifies as a mental illness, surely the mega-rich can see that they (usually) make even more money if they back the winning horse?

Depends how much you have already invested in all the other horses.

 

[Gough]

Remember the grief getting the cervical cancer vaccine through Parliament because the Coalition didn't like the thought of women having bodily autonomy? Twenty years later.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Remember the grief getting the cervical cancer vaccine through Parliament because the Coalition didn't like the thought of women having bodily autonomy? Twenty years later.
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though I do wonder if the data is affected by covid (2021) in terms of women not attending for screening etc
Would be interested to see if the number holds true for 2025 data

 

[blueboy25]

Remember the grief getting the cervical cancer vaccine through Parliament because the Coalition didn't like the thought of women having bodily autonomy? Twenty years later.
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The Barnrooter was very much against this from memory

 

[western royboy]

The Barnrooter was very much against this from memory

As soon as he becomes irrelevant the better off everyone will be.

 

[schneebly111]

As they say, governments lose elections, oppositions don't win them, so I wouldn't count out Andrew Hastie eventually being a Prime Minister.

We all have our own opinions on him but to the wider voting population he is more electable than Peter Dutton.

Unfortunately yes. Don’t discount the “war hero” angle if he makes it to leader. He’ll be portrayed as the spirit of the Anzac reborn

 

[justlookingaround]

As they say, governments lose elections, oppositions don't win them, so I wouldn't count out Andrew Hastie eventually being a Prime Minister.

We all have our own opinions on him but to the wider voting population he is more electable than Peter Dutton.

He is optically more electable than Dutton, because really I think people just like the idea of a young clean shirted leader of a major party... but I think once he's in the spotlight and his past comments on abortion, climate change etc can be used against him he will quickly become quite unpopular with average voters.
Not to mention when Hastie opens his mouth he can actually come off pretty weird and off kilter.

 

[QuietB]

He is optically more electable than Dutton, because really I think people just like the idea of a young clean shirted leader of a major party... but I think once he's in the spotlight and his past comments on abortion, climate change etc can be used against him he will quickly become quite unpopular with average voters.
Not to mention when Hastie opens his mouth he can actually come off pretty weird and off kilter.

I can’t see the rest of Australia electing a WA Prime Minister any time soon.

I also think the association of the SAS with various WA oligarchs will also be a problem.

 

[sherb]

The Barnrooter was very much against this from memory

On the basis that it would encourage sexual promiscuity among young women from memory.

Quite ironic given his subsequent behaviour.

 

[sherb]

 

[Chief]

The Barnrooter was very much against this from memory

All they had to do was wait for smartphones to send the underaged sex rates plummeting.

(No not "rates" as in "hourly", you dirty people.)

 

[Not Important]

fantastic piece by the redoubtable amy.

It's all just so stupid, isn't it? - Amy Remeikis

You may be feeling overwhelmed by the flurry of crises – and that's by design, writes Amy Remeikis

www.deepcutnews.com

and didn't timmy timmy use his relo to perpetuate porkies about the proposed change to taxing franking credits put by shorten, affecting only those who paid no tax. on that income?

oh, and this >

 

[nut]

fantastic piece by the redoubtable amy.

It's all just so stupid, isn't it? - Amy Remeikis

You may be feeling overwhelmed by the flurry of crises – and that's by design, writes Amy Remeikis

www.deepcutnews.com

and didn't timmy timmy use his relo to perpetuate porkies about the proposed change to taxing franking credits put by shorten, affecting only those who paid no tax. on that income?

oh, and this >

It’s called propping up Capitalism …..

 

[Not Important]

It’s called propping up Oligarchs …..

efa

 

[nut]

efa

There is a quote ….The Chinese government controls capitalism, but capitalism controls the US government…

The need more oil so let’s bomb Venezuela…..

 

[Not Important]

There is a quote ….The Chinese government controls capitalism, but capitalism controls the US government…

The need more oil so let’s bomb Venezuela…..

there's a youtube piece where prof jeffrey sachs sets out how china has been leading the u.s with innovation, economic development, and infrastructure for ages, and this has hastened under trump who they are screwing royally.

 

[nut]

there's a youtube piece where prof jeffrey sachs sets out how china has been leading the u.s with innovation, economic development, and infrastructure for ages, and this has hastened under trump who they are screwing royally.

 

[QuietB]

there's a youtube piece where prof jeffrey sachs sets out how china has been leading the u.s with innovation, economic development, and infrastructure for ages, and this has hastened under trump who they are screwing royally.

Wait until China goes past the USA on AI - then the USA will truly collapse - the AI bubble is about the only thing holding it all together in the USA.