The Liberal Party - How long?

[eddiesmith]

For example?

Both have a lot of trouble navigating stairs

 

[NSWCROW]

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Both have a lot of trouble navigating stairs

Thank you for your valued input.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Plenty of cause for hope.

Postpone the poll: why the Coalition is suddenly looking rattled

Recent polling has government MPs nervous, with worrying trends in key states. Here’s where the swings matter most

www.theguardian.com

 

[Northalives]

Plenty of cause for hope.

Postpone the poll: why the Coalition is suddenly looking rattled

Recent polling has government MPs nervous, with worrying trends in key states. Here’s where the swings matter most

www.theguardian.com

I think Australians are starting to wake up to the fact that the moment Morrison opens his mouth, a lie comes out. He is starting to look like the sleazy, slimy, lying toe rag that he is to those that were slow to cotton on.

Morrison thought that he was being clever in not handing responsibility to the States for the vaccine roll out because he thought that nothing could possibly go wrong and that he would get all the plaudits. Well, he is nothing more than hopeless and his only attribute, if you can call it that, is that he is a marketing and PR junkie but no amount of marketing and PR, can sell the steaming pile of s**t that is the Liberal National Party Government.

Morrison was so proud of himself when he palmed off the Federal responsibilities for quarantining the overseas arrivals to the States because if there were problems, and there certainly were, depending on what colour the State Government was, so the level of outrage but most importantly for him, he was seen to be an "innocent".

The pig and the no hopers that constitute the Federal Government are starting to unravel big time and this time around, there is no Bill Shorten to give them a hand up. Albanese is a far more cluey and shrewd politician than Shorten and he's coming across as a steady, if unspectacular leader who is trustworthy and safe.

One week in Politics is a long time, so the saying goes, and one year is an eternity but the thing is, all the corruption, the sleaze, the lies, the ineptitude are there for all to see. You can bet your bottom dollar that Albanese won't be making himself the center of attraction nor, try and prosecute the cause for what can be portrayed as "radical" reform.

To paraphrase Paul Keating, they are going to get done slowly - cooked to a nice, charred, putrid mess; completely unelectable.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

You are just like Smirko over promise and under deliver.

....and make lots of announcements without ever doing anything

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I think Australians are starting to wake up to the fact that the moment Morrison opens his mouth, a lie comes out. He is starting to look like the sleazy, slimy, lying toe rag that he is to those that were slow to cotton on.

Morrison thought that he was being clever in not handing responsibility to the States for the vaccine roll out because he thought that nothing could possibly go wrong and that he would get all the plaudits. Well, he is nothing more than hopeless and his only attribute, if you can call it that, is that he is a marketing and PR junkie but no amount of marketing and PR, can sell the steaming pile of sh*t that is the Liberal National Party Government.

Morrison was so proud of himself when he palmed off the Federal responsibilities for quarantining the overseas arrivals to the States because if there were problems, and there certainly were, depending on what colour the State Government was, so the level of outrage but most importantly for him, he was seen to be an "innocent".

The pig and the no hopers that constitute the Federal Government are starting to unravel big time and this time around, there is no Bill Shorten to give them a hand up. Albanese is a far more cluey and shrewd politician than Shorten and he's coming across as a steady, if unspectacular leader who is trustworthy and safe.

One week in Politics is a long time, so the saying goes, and one year is an eternity but the thing is, all the corruption, the sleaze, the lies, the ineptitude are there for all to see. You can bet your bottom dollar that Albanese won't be making himself the center of attraction nor, try and prosecute the cause for what can be portrayed as "radical" reform.

To paraphrase Paul Keating, they are going to get done slowly - cooked to a nice, charred, putrid mess; completely unelectable.

Great analysis. I really think the reality is dawning on a critical mass of Australians, and when Labor finally gets back in office, a lot of Murdoch’s hysterical rubbish is just going to wash over them.

 

[tandino]

Plenty of cause for hope.

Postpone the poll: why the Coalition is suddenly looking rattled

Recent polling has government MPs nervous, with worrying trends in key states. Here’s where the swings matter most

www.theguardian.com

So Amy's going to make the same mistake again is she? All that polling data analysis from before the last election all counted for nothing.

 

[Gough]

So Amy's going to make the same mistake again is she? All that polling data analysis from before the last election all counted for nothing.

You could also read it as any chance of an election this year, which I think Morrison had one of his beady little eyes on is gone.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

So Amy's going to make the same mistake again is she? All that polling data analysis from before the last election all counted for nothing.

Ah, no, it didn’t count for nothing. Peter Lewis from Essential for one, is very good on where polling got it wrong, and where it’s still a useful tool.

And if you read the article, it’s actually full of nuance and nowhere does it say it’s a shoe-in for Labor.

But I suspect you’d rather just barrack.

 

[tandino]

Ah, no, it didn’t count for nothing. Peter Lewis from Essential for one, is very good on where polling got it wrong, and where it’s still a useful tool.

And if you read the article, it’s actually full of nuance and nowhere does it say it’s a shoe-in for Labor.

But I suspect you’d rather just barrack.

Journalists took polling data and mistook it for public sentiment and were made to look foolish. They can hide behind margins of error all they like, it doesn't really count for much does it?

 

[tandino]

Although if you can't tell the difference between barracking and reasoning then maybe it's not worth the discussion.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Journalists took polling data and mistook it for public sentiment and were made to look foolish. They can hide behind margins of error all they like, it doesn't really count for much does it?

Well it still does if you care to look into it.

There's a hell of a lot riding on the quality of the product, after all, and in a free market economy, if they're not delivering value for money they're going out of business, aren't they?

But obviously, if polling was foolproof we wouldn't need elections, would we?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Although if you can't tell the difference between barracking and reasoning then maybe it's not worth the discussion.

Well you implying that the article that I linked is nothing but wish-fullfillment predictions, when it clearly is full of nuance and caution, is the very essence of barracking over reasoning.

 

[tandino]

Well it still does if you care to look into it.

There's a hell of a lot riding on the quality of the product, after all, and in a free market economy, if they're not delivering value for money they're going out of business, aren't they?

But obviously, if polling was foolproof we wouldn't need elections, would we?

They provide a service primarily because polling data in and of itself is news. It drives debate and discourse. I just don't think it stacks up to much. That's all.

 

[tandino]

Well you implying that the article that I linked is nothing but wish-fullfillment predictions, when it clearly is full of nuance and caution, is the very essence of barracking over reasoning.

The exact same article written at the same time in the last election cycle, or indeed even the day before the last election, using the same sources of data, would been laughingly inaccurate and probably less than worthless.

It's a list of outcomes that might happen or might not happen, based on polling data that might be accurate or might not be accurate, based on circumstances that might change or might not change.

The article need not exist, despite the caution.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

They provide a service primarily because polling data in and of itself is news. It drives debate and discourse. I just don't think it stacks up to much. That's all.

But there's far more to it than that. It's not just a soapie. Governments, oppositions, political parties in general can't function without polling. They all have to make decisions about allocation (or proposed allocation) of scarce resources, of where to focus energies. How else are they going to function without companies offering expert insight into possible scenarios?

We've seen it's clearly not perfect, but considering the enormity of what's at stake you can bet the finest minds going are working round the clock on improving the quality of the product.

 

[DaRick]

hey, eddiesmith doesnt pack the moving truck!

How can he? He never hired one!

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

The exact same article written at the same time in the last election cycle, or indeed even the day before the last election, using the same sources of data, would been laughingly inaccurate and probably less than worthless.

It's a list of outcomes that might happen or might not happen, based on polling data that might be accurate or might not be accurate, based on circumstances that might change or might not change.

The article need not exist, despite the caution.

Well I can imagine there are plenty of people in power or hoping to be in power, that disagree strongly with you.

 

[tandino]

Well I can imagine there are plenty of people in power or hoping to be in power, that disagree strongly with you.

I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[Northalives]

Great analysis. I really think the reality is dawning on a critical mass of Australians, and when Labor finally gets back in office, a lot of Murdoch’s hysterical rubbish is just going to wash over them.

If the LNP is turfed out at the next election, depending on the size of the majority, there will be a big outpouring of hatred directed at the Murdoch press and there will be severe repercussions for that media organisation.

It will come about through media ownership laws being rejigged and what is certain I believe, will be the establishment of laws which will bind media organisations to their own "codes of conduct" and failure to do so will, lead to heavy prosecution and sanctions. Of course we will once again see the full on campaign by them and their partners in crime, the LNP, to portray such moves as the denial of "freedom of speech", the muzzling of the press, communism and all sorts, just like the last time when Labor attempted to call the media to account and follow it's own codes of conduct but it was in a minority Government and had to also battle Rudd's undermining as well.

Ironic now that Rudd wants to smash the Murdoch press given they were his greatest allies in bringing down a Labor Government.

 

[Hawk Dork]

A Melbourne health company that planned to list on the Australian stock exchange and expand into China with the help of former Liberal trade minister Andrew Robb has collapsed owing more than $11 million to creditors.

A preliminary investigation into the collapse of Global Brands Australia, which was placed into administration on February 16, has identified “potential movement of assets and fraudulent business activity statements lodged prior to the appointment”

A Mercedes leased by the business appears to have vanished

In June last year The Age and the Herald revealed GBA had borrowed $1 million from a company linked to convicted drug trafficker Shane Charter, which was used to underwrite the purchase of Celebrity Slim.

Mr Charter – the biochemist at the centre of the Essendon and Cronulla football doping scandals

It is not known if GBA repaid the loan to Mr Charter, but his close friend and underworld enforcer Toby Mitchell visited the company’s Braeside warehouse in late 2020 to discuss a $700,000 debt with management.

Former trade minister escapes health company collapse

A Melbourne health company that planned to list on the Australian stock exchange and expand into China with the help of former Liberal trade minister Andrew Robb has collapsed owing more than $11 million to creditors.

www.theage.com.au

 

[cartwright]

AFR reported this little rort back in Feb as the govt did their little “late Friday” release trick - this one was before Aus Day long weekend

Nauru detainees cost $10,000 each per day in contract bonanza

The federal government quietly put through a $220 million extension to Canstruct’s contract for the island nation’s detention centre.

www.afr.com

crafty campaigners

 

[Northalives]

AFR reported this little rort back in Feb as the govt did their little “late Friday” release trick - this one was before Aus Day long weekend

Nauru detainees cost $10,000 each per day in contract bonanza

The federal government quietly put through a $220 million extension to Canstruct’s contract for the island nation’s detention centre.

www.afr.com

crafty campaigners

and the rorts keep appearing and they keep coming. I see now that Trump's best mate Morrison has taken a leaf out of Donald's book and is now announcing policy via social media instead of facing the assembled media hacks and answering questions.

 

[Christopher Buttersnip]

How can he? He never hired one!

Or is likely to. All piss and wind.